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Airtran DSM-MCO Question  
User currently offlinenssd70 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Did Airtran suspend service between DSM and MCO? I see they flew the route last Saturday and Sunday,but I don't see anything scheduled for today5/14,or 5/15. I checked Fligthaware,and the Des Moines Airport websites,but they both show nothing.

Doug

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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

It looks like it. Their online timetable doesn't show any non-stops to MCO. This can't be a good sign for things to come with the Soutwest merger..now the only Airtran service to DSM is to MKE with Skywest.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

I think it was Weekend only service from the get-go.

User currently offlinenssd70 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

The non-stop service was only Saturday and Sunday. I was hoping to see Airtran and now Southwest expand service,but I guess that's not the case.

Doug


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 2):
I think it was Weekend only service from the get-go.

It was. For a brief period of time it operated 3 times per week. This route would have been successful if they would have offered daily and if they would have allowed connections at MCO.

I just wonder if Southwest had any say in this cancellation. Now with the 2x daily MKE flights on Skywest, I don't have a good feeling in my stomach about the future of Airtran/Southwest at DSM.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 4):
This route would have been successful if they would have offered daily and if they would have allowed connections at MCO.

I'm not so sure. It's a long flight, and the number of connections that make sense is minimal - they probably could have sold $75 DSM-MCO-LGA tickets, but the service would have bled money. That's partially a function of the geography of the route - DSM-MCO is a long route, and MCO isn't a very high yield destination. MCO-DSM is over twice the length of MCO-TYS, but FL was only getting about 25 percent higher fares on DSM-MCO than on TYS-MCO.



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
I'm not so sure. It's a long flight, and the number of connections that make sense is minimal - they probably could have sold $75 DSM-MCO-LGA tickets, but the service would have bled money. That's partially a function of the geography of the route - DSM-MCO is a long route, and MCO isn't a very high yield destination. MCO-DSM is over twice the length of MCO-TYS, but FL was only getting about 25 percent higher fares on DSM-MCO than on TYS-MCO.

That's true. I thought Airtran offered more Caribbean service from MCO. But looking at the route map on their website..it's not at extensive as I thought. I wish they would have given DSM-ATL a try. With the lack of LCC presence at DSM, I think it would have been a hit..even with DL operating the same route.


User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

found this story
http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14527915

it says AirTran plans to resume the flight after summer. I dont buy it, why wouldnt they be flying it during the summer which is the busiest time of the year for travel only to resume it after summer when that's a dead period. Looks like Southwest is pulling the plug on DSM early if you ask me.

I'll bet anything the skywest flying will quietly disappear before the major ramp up of the AirTran / SWA integration takes place.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 7):
I'll bet anything the skywest flying will quietly disappear before the major ramp up of the AirTran / SWA integration takes place.

It will because it has to. But I still think a small-ish WN station at DSM would do well; the market dynamics are pretty similar to Little Rock, which has supported WN for years, and I think a similar station at DSM with a network of something like 4x MDW, 2x DEN, 1x BWI, 2x STL, 1x PHX/LAS could work.



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User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

It will because it has to. But I still think a small-ish WN station at DSM would do well; the market dynamics are pretty similar to Little Rock, which has supported WN for years, and I think a similar station at DSM with a network of something like 4x MDW, 2x DEN, 1x BWI, 2x STL, 1x PHX/LAS could work.

I think SWA could work in DSM. They are going to have to decide if they want to serve more markets to compete with the legacies or still make people from places like DSM drive the 2 hours (ex OMA) to take their flights. I for one would love to see CID even if it was MDW flights only


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 6):
With the lack of LCC presence at DSM, I think it would have been a hit..even with DL operating the same route.

Delta would have dropped their price to match, driven them out , then raise prices again (where have I heard that before??   )



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
It will because it has to. But I still think a small-ish WN station at DSM would do well; the market dynamics are pretty similar to Little Rock, which has supported WN for years, and I think a similar station at DSM with a network of something like 4x MDW, 2x DEN, 1x BWI, 2x STL, 1x PHX/LAS could work.

Little Rock might be a little more fortunate than other markets in its size, because of its nonstop service to DAL which many markets lack. It's a short ideal distance to DAL and HOU which are two big metros. There might be connections and stops through LIT on way to DAL.

One of WN's smallest market is CRP, which only has 5x to HOU. For DSM, if WN wanted to try it and be conservative initially, maybe WN could offer 5x DSM-MDW with 1x DSM-DEN. Then again, in that scenario, WN would be choosing to build service in DSM over a market like FAT, the latter which has a greater metro size.

[Edited 2011-05-14 19:41:52]

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Though I don't think this route was suddenly dropped as per WN request, this "seasonal suspension" does not help DSM's case for convincing WN to stick around. I mean, if you can't fill a few flights per week to the theme park mecca of the world during the busy summer travel period*, then can really support a major (8+ daily flight) LCC operation at all?

*Yes, I know Florida is very hot and humid during the summer. But, that typically doesn't deter throngs of families from visiting the parks during their kids' summer vacations...

The OO flights to MKE will remain (for now, as I imagine putting an end to the contracted flying has taken a backseat to getting out of DFW) to keep a token presence for FL/WN at DSM until WN can figure out what to do - substantially grow, or cut the market altogether. The status quo obviously isn't feasible in the long term. Honestly, I really would be surprised to see DSM become the first casualty of the merger. If Florida nonstops aren't working, WN could always send Iowans through MDW, STL, or maybe even ATL to get down there. MDW and STL also serve as excellent gateways to the entire eastern and southern swaths of the network. To reach Texas, they could probably route a daily flight or two via STL or MCI. Westbound, the obvious choice is DEN, though nonstops to PHX and/or LAS might work too. Even something like 3x daily MDW, 2x daily DEN, 2x daily STL, 1x daily PHX seems perfectly feasible to me. Much more plausible than keeping stuff like LEX, AVL, and CRW in the network!



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
Much more plausible than keeping stuff like LEX, AVL, and CRW in the network!

Just to clarify.. the place thats hardly supporting its 2x weekly MCO service is more plausable to be kept than the cities that are? And in the case of AVL and LEX, supporting two destinations?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 11):
Little Rock might be a little more fortunate than other markets in its size, because of its nonstop service to DAL which many markets lack.

How is LIT-DAL different from DSM-MDW? LIT-DAL is probably a smaller market since it's an hour and a half closer (4 hours versus 5 and a half).

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 11):
There might be connections and stops through LIT on way to DAL.

Not really. From that general direction, they are almost exclusively routed over STL and MCI.



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