goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11611 times:
Obviously the demand has to be adequate enough but I would think that if the airline is paying for all that fuel there must be enough profit on the route. I'm not too sure on this but maybe the 380 is just a little more eco-friendly in some aspect or another than the 340. Correct me if I'm wrong. I also don't know if EWR is 380-equipped yet or not and if it isn't when will it be?
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9249 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11561 times:
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Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter): I'm not too sure on this but maybe the 380 is just a little more eco-friendly in some aspect or another than the 340. Correct me if I'm wrong. I also don't know if EWR is 380-equipped yet or not and if it isn't when will it be?
Even if there is high demand, the problem will simply be the range. The 345 of SQ has an all C class and then is able to make it. An A380 with standard configuration will be difficult I guess. It is a flight of 9535 miles (8285 NM)... Which is pretty long. Question is: can it be profitable on such a long route?
And will you be able to fill such an airplane on such a long flight? I mean not many people (except a.netters) want to sit 19+ hours in an airplane...
CuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10994 times:
There is another thread where we see that HKG has 5 777 flights daily, 1 COUA and 4 CX. And it works so well thatCX is planning a 5th flight.
SIN could probably handle more than one direct then.
But the market and pricing need to be well understood, and the market needs to be mature. It looks like SIA is doing OK with 100% business. Previously business and premium economy combined did not work so well.
It is an interesting concept anyway. A lot of people fly to SIN from NYC with stopovers I guess.
Not without a payload hit. She'd go out somewhere between 40-50t, likely, compared to about 30t for the A340-500.
Quoting corey07850 (Reply 1): The A345 is in an all biz-class just to make it direct.
SQ went from a mixed Business and Premium Economy Class mix to all Business Class because the only consistent demand on the route was Business Class so it made more sense to get rid of the Economy cabin and just make it all Business Class to meet that demand.
flythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10645 times:
Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 4): But the market and pricing need to be well understood, and the market needs to be mature.
Assume many bankers or millionaires on such a business direct flight, lack of frequency could be killing, time is much more money for them. If there is really demand on this flight, we will only see SQ shifting all the bird from LAX direct to EWR for double daily, rather than getting an A380. Let alone very doubt if SQ would have a subfleet of A380 just for this route given they would have to have a very different config to make an A380 financially feasible on this route.
anrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9982 times:
In addition to EWR-SIN service, SQ also has A380 SIN-FRA-JFK service. If C demand between SIN and EWR is still not met, I do not see why can they not look for additional 2-3 A345 from TQ or EK. Or maybe even get a 77L which is also capable for these flights.
To configure all business or business/premium economy A380 is also time on the ground that their clientele values. It takes longer to load A380 even with reduced load of 300 pax than 100 business pax on A345.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9359 times:
I sincerely doubt the market could sustain 250-300 daily business seats on the NYC-SIN route. That is more than twice of what's on offer right now. If booking numbers suggested there were, I'm sure SQ would have already implemented a second daily frequency. There's still a bunch of unwanted A340-500 waiting for a new owner which I'm sure, Airbus would be more than happy to pass off to SQ for a dollar nothing.
As far as the range is concerned.. I remember reading that SQ kept the seat number extra low to allow for cargo lift. No doubt you could operate an 388 profitably on the route non-stop, even more so the 600t version. That, of course, requires you to fill it in the first place.
But who knows. America's society is diverging into a two class society. Maybe there are enough super rich people, that flying an all business 388 with private cabins, showers and other unheard of amenities will become feasible in the future. And while they're at it, they should also apply for JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD traffic rights to use their lounge-liners on.
But as sweet as those ideas all may be.. I don't think they'll ever come to life. If anything, the A340s will be replaced by 77Ls - which, apart from the noise level, offer a nicer business class experience (wider, higher cabin). Not to speak of the bigger cargo space and the better range.
ag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8870 times:
I think you'll find that the flight on average is a success, however the change happened very close to the financial crisis, and there are still flights at times which are going out empty or there were until very recently
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8462 times:
Quoting flythere (Reply 9): lack of frequency could be killing, time is much more money for them
Time is money, and any other option requires a stop, which adds at least another 3 hours to the trip (actually much more, as there are no convenient stops the lie directly on course).
SQ know what they are doing, if it isn't profitable, they'll stop. If they see more demand, they'll put another frequency on the route. But, they will not put the A380 on the route. The flight is just too long, and the routes proven to be unsuccessful in the premium economy market.
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3130 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7792 times:
I have done the SQ flight from EWR once. It was delightful, no surprise. And 19 hours of peace away from life in the lap of luxury. I go to Singapore often and I will go United as I wish to try and gain access to Global Services, and to do so one needs to fly United metal - where UA gets 100% of the full fare. I will upgrade via my systemwide upgrades unless I get bumped up or my company will pay my way in. And United First is certainly good enough and plenty of luxury for my taste. (the new seat is amazing, and a stop does provide a break for a meal and shower) My question is in the future will/can the new United have an ac with the legs for a competing non-stop? A 747? Or perhaps an all premium 777 (which they currently do not have) and will United replace the EWR to HK 777 to a 747?
Either way, the market is there I believe for VLA's in all C or F configuration. And whlie United, even with great improvements, will never reach SQ luxury- I would put money on a UA option working. I have no clue if they can or will. All my major clients in the NY area have their Asian HQ's in Singapore due to it's East/West ease of living. So besides SQ trying to put a giant multi-class A380 on the route..will United want a piece of that action?
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No. You are wrong. The A380 don't even have enough range to it. The A340-500 was only specially build to fly American routes only(EWR and LAX) If you are talking about inflight fueling ( Which is not possible) or stopover , then it will not be a direct flight.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5942 times:
The proposed new 600t A388 will be able to do EWR or JFK non-stop year round with almost no payload hit - I'd think SQ would not replace the A345 frequencies on the route with it, but they might well add an A388 direct service if they take some of the more capable six hundred tonners.
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fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5809 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 20): The proposed new 600t A388 will be able to do EWR or JFK non-stop year round with almost no payload hit - I'd think SQ would not replace the A345 frequencies on the route with it, but they might well add an A388 direct service if they take some of the more capable six hundred tonners.
With this being the case, I suspect that we'll see the combination of the two flights (SIN 345 and FRA 747).
I do know that SQ does very well on the EWR direct flights and many days per week it is tough to get a seat on the flight.
washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
Quoting Semaex (Reply 7): I'm not too sure whether EWR is 380-ready, or else wouldn't LH have deployed their bird there (*A Hub) instead of JFK.. ?
JFK is still the main NYC airport for most airlines like LH, AF, etc. I don't think we'll see a significant shift of Star Alliance flights to EWR...There are plenty of airports for LH to connect passengers onto United (IAD, ORD, etc)
Quoting something (Reply 12): merica's society is diverging into a two class society.
Thanks for the observation. How many classes are there in the United Kingdom?
flythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4576 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 20): I'd think SQ would not replace the A345 frequencies on the route with it, but they might well add an A388 direct service if they take some of the more capable six hundred tonners.
But that A388 could cannibalize J pax from the exisitng A345 flight and even so the one via FRA.
I heard SQ is planning a routing via MXP to JFK though