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User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

I was reading the Boston Globe today and I saw an article about B6's new BOS-PDX service, but the last paragraph caught my eye. It said: "Later this year, the airline plans to add direct, nonstop service between Boston and Martha's Vineyard, Turks and Caicos Islands in the Caribbean, and Anchorage."

Is there any truth to this? I don't believe B6 would start BOS-MVY because it's such a short flight, and their aircraft are too large. Plus, Cape Air already flies it. Turks and Caicos I can see happening, but Anchorage? Is this true? Can the A320 even make it to ANC non-stop from BOS?

Insight anyone?

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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10179 times:

Misprint- JFK-MVY and LGB-ANC are happening. Turks might be from BOS, I can't remember the specifics of that one


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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

Boston Globe online is terribly written. Turks & Caicos is already started and ended. It's seasonal. MVY is seasonal from JFK. ANC from LGB. They just started EWR last week. Like 4 or 5 flights. They are also starting Santiago PR (STI) in June. They just celebrated 100 flights per day in the last few weeks.

User currently offlineEI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 2):
Santiago PR (STI) in June. They just celebrated 100 flights per day in the last few weeks.

Just for clarification, Santiago is in the Dominican Republic, not PR. They currently only serve SJU direct from BOS with PSE and BQN via JFK/MCO.



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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9806 times:

Any word on new JFK service?..Caribbean &Latin American routes? Thanks.


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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

EI2KSEA, you are correct. My typo. Thanks for the correction.

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9425 times:

Quoting keagkid101 (Thread starter):
but Anchorage? Is this true? Can the A320 even make it to ANC non-stop from BOS?

The A320 cannot make ANC-BOS, at least not westbound with any passengers. That's about a 10 hour flight.

As explained, either the Boston Globe is completely misunderstanding a simple press release or you are misinterpreting the article. ANC is a daily flight from LGB. That connects with Boston and JFK flights, although southern California adds quite a lot of extra flying to get to Alaska from the Northeast! Even from LGB, I would guess ANC is a full six hour flight!
MVY is from JFK with an E190, similar to their Nantucket service. I doubt JetBlue sells BOS-JFK-MVY but I could be wrong - Cape Air would fly direct from the same concourse B6 uses at BOS.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

Yeah, all those routes are new cities being added to the B6 route map, with ANC coming from LGB, MYY coming from JFK, and PLS having started already from BOS.

As for future routes from BOS, out of the current cities in the network only HOU and maybe BUR (especially once Hollywood East gets built) may be viable. Though I think AA once flew BOS-BGI. B6 wants to expand to 150 daily flights, and if they do I wonder where they will expand to.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
B6 wants to expand to 150 daily flights, and if they do I wonder where they will expand to.

DFW
ATL
ORD (more frequency)
LGA (maybe?)



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9209 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
for future routes from BOS, out of the current cities in the network only HOU and maybe BUR (especially once Hollywood East gets built)

The only Hollywood East is New York City, and entertainment traffic typically does not use Burbank nor low cost carriers.

But the real reason BOSBUR will never happen is that an A320 from BUR to BOS would automatically need to have about 40-45 seats blocked empty. A loaded A320 could never make it to Boston.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

I was unaware of the new BOS-PDX. Great addition to the destinations available nonstop from my home airport. At one point before the economy went south we expected US to start it before B6, but in any case I'm sure I will make the trip at some time.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
The only Hollywood East is New York City, and entertainment traffic typically does not use Burbank nor low cost carriers.

Right now Hollywood East may be New York City, but there has been a lot of hype over the film industry's growth in New England. Two new movie studios are being built on the South Shore and other smaller projects are in the works. This is wikipedia, but it does tell you what's been happening up here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_East

Who is flying BUR-JFK then? On so many threads I've seen that flight was popular due to BUR being close to Hollywood.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
But the real reason BOSBUR will never happen is that an A320 from BUR to BOS would automatically need to have about 40-45 seats blocked empty. A loaded A320 could never make it to Boston.

What does blocking mean? Do they do this for the JFK flight?

And since I'm sure you would know, didn't AA fly BOS-BGI briefly? I could've sworn they had.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
DFW
ATL
ORD (more frequency)
LGA (maybe?)

These are all good ones. LGA I have a feeling will be inevitable, though the COO did call flying BOS-NYC "stupid" not too long ago, interestingly.



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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9056 times:

With BOS attaining a high level of status in B6's network, are they expecting most of the traffic from PDX to be connecting?

I'm assuming the flight will be similar to SEA's flight and depart late evening Portland, arriving morning in BOS?

Is Alaska's PDX-BOS heavily reliant on connecting traffic from BOS, or is it primarily terminating traffic on either ends (I imagine most of the year it's a pretty cut mix-differen't from SEA with more connecting opprotunities)

Is there room on PDX-BOS for a 738 and an A320 daily? I really hope these flights can co-exist!


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
What does blocking mean?

The seats are made unavailable for reservation. On a seat map online, for instance, they would probably be grayed-out or shown as already reserved even though in fact they are flying empty. If the employees are feeling generous, however, nonrevs are often allowed to take these seats.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 12):
With BOS attaining a high level of status in B6's network, are they expecting most of the traffic from PDX to be connecting?

Internationally via the AA codeshare, yes, but I wouldn't expect much in the way of domestic connecting traffic. BOS isn't in the best location for connections outside of New England.

Interesting that B6 is directly competing head to head with AS on this route even with the same codeshare partner. As asked above, can PDX-BOS support two flights daily? I could see AS simply picking up and sending their 738 elsewhere.


User currently onlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

BOS-MVY (as well as ACK) would be welcome additions! Wish it were true.

I remember in the 80's when New York Air flew DC-9's BOS-ACK. Loved seeing the red apple tails at the Nantucket airport!



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8775 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
Right now Hollywood East may be New York City, but there has been a lot of hype over the film industry's growth in New England. Two new movie studios are being built on the South Shore and other smaller projects are in the works. This is wikipedia, but it does tell you what's been happening up here:

Hollywood East will always be New York City. While the growth in Boston, and other areas, is great, it's not permanent, just like all Hollywood. Look up what happened to Orlando after it was called "Hollywood East" in the early 1990s. Massachusetts will see the same exact fate.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
Who is flying BUR-JFK then? On so many threads I've seen that flight was popular due to BUR being close to Hollywood.

Burbank is centrally located for the valley and very easy to get to from downtown Los Angeles, being the only airport connected to downtown by train. It's also in the center of a very populated area. It's not in the middle of nowhere. Entertainment companies are flying major carriers with first class and lounges. jetBlue tried MCOBUR, hoping to lure Disney corporate traffic. The route lasted only a few months, because the traffic never shoee.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
What does blocking mean? Do they do this for the JFK flight?

Restricting the number of seats sold. An A320 can't leave BUR for JFK with a full load of passengers, nor Boston. But Boston's further distance means blocking even more seats.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
And since I'm sure you would know, didn't AA fly BOS-BGI briefly? I could've sworn they had.

I believe they did, for quite a while, during the winter months.



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 1):
Turks might be from BOS, I can't remember the specifics of that one

I wish they do it from FLL, I'm heading to PLS on october, so that would work perfectly for me, and I could avoid AA....



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
As for future routes from BOS, out of the current cities in the network only HOU

If they can only manage two daily E190's from their largest hub to HOU, why would BOS-HOU work?

Quoting jcarv (Reply 2):
Boston Globe online is terribly written.

The Glob isn't even fit for your bird to poop on.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 12):
Is there room on PDX-BOS for a 738 and an A320 daily? I really hope these flights can co-exist!

In the summer, yes. In the winter, no.


User currently offlineSyrAlex From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
B6 wants to expand to 150 daily flights, and if they do I wonder where they will expand to.

With B6 flying to both BUF and I think ROC from BOS, I'm really hoping to see SYR added to the Boston schedule. JetBlue has been saying for years that they really like us here in SYR and want to expand service here, including flights to IAD, BOS, and more Florida routes.


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
B6 wants to expand to 150 daily flights, and if they do I wonder where they will expand to.
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
DFW
ATL
ORD (more frequency)
LGA (maybe?)

Talk about wild guesses! BOS-ORD currently has token service and may or may not see more flights. But ORD is gate constrained and LGA is slot controlled, so I don't see any reasons to think these two cities will see BOS service or increases in frequency. The only way JetBlue would be interested in BOS-LGA is if US decided to abandon their shuttle and give up slots/gates (which they won't). Somewhat strangely though, B6 is going to be flying BOS-EWR several times a day, complementing BOS-JFK, so that should be interesting.

ATL? I don't see that happening. Why not let Delta and AirTran/Southwest battle that one out. Boston, among other cities, will likely be a war between these two giants, and although JetBlue is interested in defending BOS I cannot imagine that is a battle they want to be in. DFW makes slightly more sense given JetBlue's recent connections with AA, but I don't think those warm and fuzzies extend to operations into each AA's biggest hub.

To get to 150 departures, I'd look for Florida and the Caribbean to add 20-25 more frequencies from Boston to existing JetBlue destinations. That'll get B6 about halfway to their goal, not sure where the other 25 would fly to - there are bound to be some new Jetblue airports announced in the next year or two but I'll be shocked if ATL is one of them.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
I was unaware of the new BOS-PDX. Great addition to the destinations available nonstop from my home airport.

I don't have high hopes for this, but it may work as a seasonal service. There was a time when fuel prices were really high, as they are creeping back up now, when PDX was relegated to a LGB-only service in JetBlue's network. My point is if they couldn't make a JFK redeye work, the chances of BOS-PDX working are even slimmer.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
Hollywood East will always be New York City. While the growth in Boston, and other areas, is great, it's not permanent, just like all Hollywood. Look up what happened to Orlando after it was called "Hollywood East" in the early 1990s. Massachusetts will see the same exact fate.

At least there is a Hollywood in Florida!
I don't know why people feel JetBlue is interested in growing BUR so much. It's a quaint airport - I happen to like it - but I really don't see their operations getting much bigger than they are. As it is, BUR-JFK is a struggle due to various geographic impediments; BOS would only be even more challenging as MAH says. I don't know about 40-45 blocked seats but there would have to be a capacity lid and/or possible tech stops for fuel for sure.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
If they can only manage two daily E190's from their largest hub to HOU, why would BOS-HOU work?

Fair to say. At least HOU is part of the network - I could see one flight a day (for what it's worth). But you are correct, JFK-HOU used to be three or four flights of mixed A320s and E190s, if I recall, then it was downguaged to all E190s and now it is down to just two daily flights. Not exactly the kind of positive growth you want to see in a market. At least the two flights are full a lot, according to my friend who has tried to non-rev this route several times in the past.



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Did a quick "find on page" for OMA... didn't see one. We are still snubbed. I'm moving on.


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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 19):
Talk about wild guesses! BOS-ORD currently has token service and may or may not see more flights. But ORD is gate constrained and LGA is slot controlled, so I don't see any reasons to think these two cities will see BOS service or increases in frequency.

They may be wild guesses, but we'll see by the end of 2012. BOS is a huge focus, and specifically the BOS business travellers. BOS is big in finance, so LGA would be a smart move. Yes, I know there aren't any currently available slots, the same thing was said about DCA. They jumped into BOS-EWR with a good amount of service, and BOS-LGA is a glaring hole in their northeast business destinations from BOS.

Same with ORD. I know that gate space is at a premium, but there are ways to change that.

ATL and DFW have been talked about in the past and I believe it will happen in the next year.



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
Restricting the number of seats sold. An A320 can't leave BUR for JFK with a full load of passengers, nor Boston. But Boston's further distance means blocking even more seats.

This can't be a range issue, since an A320 can easily make LAX-JFK. Is the runway at BUR quite short, limiting takeoff weight?


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 19):
Somewhat strangely though, B6 is going to be flying BOS-EWR several times a day, complementing BOS-JFK, so that should be interesting.

We'll see if BOS-EWR actually sticks around. It's pretty obvious that JetBlue added BOS-EWR as an attempt to block WN from adding it; the announcement for BOS-EWR came only four days after the announcement of Southwest's slot and gate lease at EWR. The timing was no coincidence, given that the flights were set to start over eight months later (an atypically long lead time for B6) and around the time when Southwest's service to EWR was set to begin. As it turns out, WN did not add BOS-EWR after all.

Quoting richierich (Reply 19):
I'd look for Florida and the Caribbean to add 20-25 more frequencies from Boston to existing JetBlue destinations.

I don't see the traffic being there consistently. There are few Caribbean routes outside of SJU/AUA/BDA (yes, I know BDA is not in the Caribbean) which can support daily service from Boston. Florida outside of MCO, MIA & JAX is extremely seasonal; RSW and PBI can't fill more than a couple of flights daily in the off season. I really don't see how they get to that many additional frequencies without flying empty aircraft in the off season.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 23):

Considering UA/CO is the only airline flying it, I'm sure it will stick around.



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25 ScottB : The runway is a bit under 7000', but IIRC, the real issue is one-engine-out terrain clearance. Why? There was only one airline flying BOS-PHX when Je
26 TOMMY767 : Um, because it's GOOD to have healthy competition. Not everyone wants to fly UA/CO to BOS, and BOS is a much different market than EWR for O/D. Not t
27 GentFromAlaska : Possibly restarting JFK-BNA. CO offers BNA-EWR and AA offers LGA-BNA non-stop It seems to me one of the carriers would want to jump on the JFK-BNA ser
28 yellowtail : Isn't B6 slot constrained at JFK?
29 ScottB : Competition is good for the consumer, but airlines don't add or keep routes based on what's good for the consumer.
30 MCOGVADCA : I think the restrictions are only during afternoon rush hour; I believe there are few constraints in place for morning/early afternoon expansion.
31 Post contains images richierich : Absolutely not going to happen. JetBlue didn't get the connection traffic it hoped for through JFK for Nashville (who in BNA would go out of their wa
32 BOStonsox : Well, as I mentioned on a previous thread once, BNA is the largest market not served nonstop from BOS. I wonder why B6 didn't start it the first time
33 ERJ170 : CLT is only JFK/BOS RDU is +JFK/+BOS/+FLL and pushing for +SJU and +AUS.. the only other far stretch is +MSY.
34 N623JB : If you ask me, I think that JetBlue has almost the same amount of destinations in BOS as in JFK. Its because when i see the route map, theres barely a
35 InnocuousFox : Which is my case for OMA.
36 ScottB : BOS is, if memory serves, one of UA/CO's top five non-hub markets. They have matched B6's BOS-EWR fares and have bumped up capacity in the market as
37 TOMMY767 : Yes but any airline has the right to compete against UA/CO at EWR. EWR-BOS is a route that many are excited about because there is finally low cost r
38 Blueman87 : im hoping for LGA-BOS or LGA -RIC i do believe if B6 started LGA-RIC and not JFK-RIC it would have worked
39 airbazar : Their largest hub is next door to a much larger hub (EWR) which is home to the same airlines that has a hub at IAH. It's obvious why B6 would have a
40 KC135TopBoom : B6 may have to go down to just 1 daily E-190 at HOU, as they have WN there as the big competitor there. DFW may be their next big chance for a Texas
41 Flytravel : Doesn't DFW has NK and VX? Perhaps NK could offer DFW-ATL, and DFW-MYR which would open allow east to DFW flights.
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