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Interesting Iran Air Refueling At Manston  
User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 686 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 13093 times:

Hi all,

Yesterday a good friend of mine was passing Manston, and noticed the scheduled IR710 LHR-IKA flight arriving to make a fuel stop.

Q1. how long have IR been using Manston as a fuel stop.?1

Q2. What are the repercussions for this for the fuel company,?

Q3. Why is it ok to fuel here & not LHR...?

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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12955 times:

They are allowed to fuel at LHR they are just negotiating the deal currently.

http://www.iranair.co.uk/news/london-to-tehran-refuelling-stop

Annoying as hell, wish they came to LTN to refuel.


User currently offlineHAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12923 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 1):
Annoying as hell, wish they came to LTN to refuel

Well, it makes sense to me for them to opt for an uncongested airport with low fees.


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 1):
They are allowed to fuel at LHR

Pretty sure they're NOT.... No one will supply them fuel,...if they (the fuel companies) also have interests in the US.

The US have hit any company with a US connection with a back door type sanction if they refuel IR aircraft

Pretty sure someone on here can elaborate more on the issue.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 2):
Well, it makes sense to me for them to opt for an uncongested airport with low fees.

For sure I was just being selfish  
Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 3):
Pretty sure they're NOT.... No one will supply them fuel,...if they (the fuel companies) also have interests in the US.

Interesting, I was informed it was a choice by Iran Air rather then rules but now im Intrigued.


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 4):
but now im Intrigued

As a tit for tat measure, several European airlines, now tank fuel into IKA

KL use a MD11, with a Fuel stop at ATH on the return
BD go via Yerevan each way for juice,
AZ stop both directions in Ankara....

sure there's more, but that's all i can think of at present.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 5):
As a tit for tat measure, several European airlines, now tank fuel into IKA

KL use a MD11, with a Fuel stop at ATH on the return
BD go via Yerevan each way for juice,
AZ stop both directions in Ankara....

sure there's more, but that's all i can think of at present.

I see, the confusing thing would be those carriers using a different country all together while Iran Air used a different "london" airport.. I use the term london very loosely.


User currently offlineHAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12271 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 6):
I see, the confusing thing would be those carriers using a different country all together while Iran Air used a different "london" airport.. I use the term london very loosely.

The fact that Iran Air uses an aircraft that has a rather limited range compared to an MD11 is likely to play a role here. If they flew the route with an 747SP they could possibly even tanker enough fuel into LHR for a return flight. Of course that would wreak havoc on the economics of the flight.


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 7):
If they flew the route with an 747SP they could possibly even tanker enough fuel into LHR for a return flight.

Indeed they used too..... I've flown on both the 742 & 74L on the THR route.... the only problem is ......

All Iranian Boeings are banned in Europe.  


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10440 times:

The deal is actually pretty simple. Because Iran went ahead with the construction of their nuclear ''power plant'', the US imposed sanctions and further expanded their trade embargo that had already been in place with them. This embargo includes, but is not limited to, selling fuel to Iranian companies. In an effort to enforce this embargo globally, the US will cease all cooperations with foreign companies that do not adhere to these sanctions. Places like LHR, AMS, GOT, ARN are provided with fuel by one or two different companies only, both of which - in the aforementioned cases- pursue a greater interest in maintaining their trade with the US than they do with Iran. And that's how they're being forced to cease their trade with Iran Air.

Other airports, however, may be home to fuel suppliers that have no commercial relations with the US and therefore, remain unaffected by these sanctions. Some of these 'independent' fuel suppliers include ''Total'' of France and Austrian ''OMV''. The latter maintains branches at German HAJ and HAM airports, the former supplies, among others, Paris' Roissy airport.

Iran Air's Paris flights remained unaffected, and all other European flights had to make a fuel stop on their outbound leg at one of OMV's stations, namely HAM and VIE in this case.

But as of mid 2011, the both remaining partners of Iran Air, Total of France and OMV of Austria, had to cease their operations ''due to entrepreneurial aspects''. Iran responded to the loss of their last alliance by also banning the sell of fuel to European and US airlines and terminating their contracts with the companies involved in exploiting the South Pars gas fields and building the Nabucco pipeline.

All remaining Iran Air flights now have to fuel stop at airports that are supplied by Russian oil companies, who, next to Brazil and Turkey, are Iran's last remaining major trade partner.

I don't know what the situation at Kent airport is, but the fact that the fuel truck is not name-branded indicates that there will probably be a Russian on-site fuel trader who still provides Iran Air with fuel. Which seems to be the only remaining option for them. For now.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

I am pretty sure with Manston airport being such a small operation all of the airport services, (eg. re-fuelling, dispatch, baggage handling, etc...) is dealt with by the airport itself....

If this is the case, the airport is free to re-fuel and deal with what ever airlines it likes, without having any re-percussions in the USA.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9732 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 10):

That may very well be. You'd be surprised though what tiny airports contract their fuel supply out. You're paid a provision and spare yourself the hassles that come along with such tasks.

In either way, I think it's only going to be a matter of time though until the last of such agreements will run out. And, to add a little opinion into this, rightly so. You can't advocate for human rights, and support oppressive tyrants at the same time. The global community should be much harder on Iran and I think it's a damn shame that Brazil subverting these efforts.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Quoting something (Reply 9):
The deal is actually pretty simple. Because Iran went ahead with the construction of their nuclear ''power plant'', the US imposed sanctions and further expanded their trade embargo that had already been in place with them. This embargo includes, but is not limited to, selling fuel to Iranian companies. In an effort to enforce this embargo globally, the US will cease all cooperations with foreign companies that do not adhere to these sanctions. Places like LHR, AMS, GOT, ARN are provided with fuel by one or two different companies only, both of which - in the aforementioned cases- pursue a greater interest in maintaining their trade with the US than they do with Iran. And that's how they're being forced to cease their trade with Iran Air.

Other airports, however, may be home to fuel suppliers that have no commercial relations with the US and therefore, remain unaffected by these sanctions. Some of these 'independent' fuel suppliers include ''Total'' of France and Austrian ''OMV''. The latter maintains branches at German HAJ and HAM airports, the former supplies, among others, Paris' Roissy airport.

Iran Air's Paris flights remained unaffected, and all other European flights had to make a fuel stop on their outbound leg at one of OMV's stations, namely HAM and VIE in this case.

But as of mid 2011, the both remaining partners of Iran Air, Total of France and OMV of Austria, had to cease their operations ''due to entrepreneurial aspects''. Iran responded to the loss of their last alliance by also banning the sell of fuel to European and US airlines and terminating their contracts with the companies involved in exploiting the South Pars gas fields and building the Nabucco pipeline.

All remaining Iran Air flights now have to fuel stop at airports that are supplied by Russian oil companies, who, next to Brazil and Turkey, are Iran's last remaining major trade partner.

Well said. Thank you for keeping it middle of the road and not turning this into a politics thread.



Go big or go home
User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

FWIW the Kent airport is owned by a New Zealand based company, Infratil. They have no operations in the US, just NZ, Australia, and the UK. I don't think the operation in Kent makes any money, so they are probably open to anything that works. I am doing this from memory of my last shareholder report. It might be Glasgow Prestwick that is the loser, or both.

User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 8):
All Iranian Boeings are banned in Europe.

I'll remember that next time I see a 741 or SP at Heathrow when I'm working...

pAnmAn


User currently offlineRaptors From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting Panman (Reply 14):
I'll remember that next time I see a 741 or SP at Heathrow when I'm working...

You won't see one at LHR and haven't done for approx 10-12 months now. All you will see are the A300-600's and possibly an A310 but the latter is more unlikely.



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User currently offlinemcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6486 times:
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Quoting Panman (Reply 14):
Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 8):
All Iranian Boeings are banned in Europe.

I'll remember that next time I see a 741 or SP at Heathrow when I'm working...

pAnmAn

Have you seen one recently though? I have a good view of the approach to LHR (when landing is on 09, anyway) from my office window and used to enjoy seeing the SPs occasionally, but I don't remember seeing one for several months.  


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting mcr (Reply 16):

Quoting Panman (Reply 14):
Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 8):
All Iranian Boeings are banned in Europe.

I'll remember that next time I see a 741 or SP at Heathrow when I'm working...

pAnmAn


You Won't.



Have you seen one recently though? I have a good view of the approach to LHR (when landing is on 09, anyway) from my office window and used to enjoy seeing the SPs occasionally, but I don't remember seeing one for several months.

Believe the last one was May last year... when EP-IAD 74L operated IR710.
Ironically, Iran Air changed equipment a couple of days later due to poor loads..., then in the summer of 2010, the EU ban came about on all Iranian Boeings. Bloody shame.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-Iran-Air-in-new-EU-blacklist.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/world/europe/07iran.html

[Edited 2011-05-17 03:33:09]


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User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5592 times:

I could swear I saw an SP (un)loading at 318 a couple of weeks back...

Could be wrong, wont be the first time, wont be the last.

pAnmAn


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

A few sites have shown 747equipment as being scheduled back on the LHR route, but so far that seems to be an error with those sites as none have turned up. Shame, Iran Air have apparently rectified the issues which got the aircraft banned, but with the political situation they are unlikely to get the ban overturned.


Dan  



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

This is the most recent photo of an Iran Air Boeing in Europe


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Photo © Lars Hentschel



The photo states that the 747's were banned from Europe 2 days after the picture was taken.


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