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Great Lakes Off The RWY In DEN  
User currently offlinerunga08 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9259 times:

Just heard from a friend who is on-site. I'll update as I get info. From what they say is that the main gear collapsed, but not sure if it did before or after the incident.

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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

Do we know if this was one of the mighty Beeches or an Embraer. I've had some B190 takeoffs at DEN and they always handle like a tank. The ZK guys on the company forums are pretty sure that the thing is a tank in disguise, too. I hope they didn't abuse the thing to collapse.

User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8710 times:

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18079472

Quote:
Great Lakes flight 150 from Pueblo to Denver landed safely at Denver International Airport but is stranded on the runway after part of its landing gear collapsed.

The flight landed at 6:30 a.m., according to airport officials


[Edited 2011-05-17 10:07:26]

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

GLA150 is a Beech 1900 according to FA

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GLA150



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User currently offlineHAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Any news on whether the aircraft will be repaired or written off?

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

I remember a few years ago ZK was having major problems finding spare BE1s, but I know that now that most of the SLT, MKE, MCI, Kansas, and Montana flying is gone, they may not have the same issues with utilization.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

Here is a picture of the aircraft




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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Looks like an ex Mesa / Gulfstream bird


xx
User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Does anyone have a registration for the aircraft? Can we confirm that the left main landing gear collapsed?

User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1307 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 8):
Can we confirm that the left main landing gear collapsed?

Not 100% confirmation but the news is reporting -

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/27922613/detail.html

Quote:
As the plane was taxiing, the landing gear collapsed and the plane landed on its left engine, according to airport officials.



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1307 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

This article says the crew reported wind shear which makes me think the landing gear only collapsed after it veared off the runway. It also mentions a rudder failure.

http://avherald.com/h?article=43cb5a5e&opt=1

Quote:
A Great Lakes Aviation Beech 1900D, registration N218YV performing flight ZK-5150 from Pueblo,CO to Denver,CO (USA) with 9 passengers and 2 crew, was on final approach to Denver's runway 35L when the crew reported "Wind Shear at 24 feet" followed by "rudder failure", then reporting they veered off the runway at 06:29L (12:29Z). The airplane came to a stand still off the runway, the left main gear collapsed. No injuries occurred.




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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 4):
Any news on whether the aircraft will be repaired or written off?

I would think it's a little early for that decision.



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User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Anybody get a tail number?


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User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 9):
As the plane was taxiing, the landing gear collapsed and the plane landed on its left engine, according to airport officials.

I like how according to the media, the plane landed on its left engine but was able to taxi before the gear collapsed... I'd pay to see that.



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

I am friends with a guy who was a capt for Lakes just went there to get his 1000 TPIC and leave..He said he was always cranking down the gear on the 1900 because a lot of times the gear would not come down. I find it funny how the FAA comes down on airlines AA for example for wiring harness clamp spacing on MD-80's but crap like this goes on everyday at outfits like Lakes. My guess is Lakes has no money and AA does so go after AA. Thats your government at work.


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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Are jets the best option for a place like DEN with high altitude and high winds?

User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Well, there are pics out there of it! It was N218YV, an Ex-Gulfstream plane. It was landing in Denver on 35R, and as it was taxiing of the runway on one of the high speed taxi ways, is when it collapsed. It was the left main that collapsed and an emergency evacuation did occur, however, no one was injured or hurt! That is all the info I have at the moment!


ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

http://avherald.com/h?article=43cb5a5e

Some more Info here on the incident, however their is a lot of conflicting information between the media and the company at this point! Hopefully more answers will come about today!



ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 15):
Are jets the best option for a place like DEN with high altitude and high winds?

A fully loaded Beech 1900 will outperform a fully loaded CRJ under those conditions any day (and not just because the Beech is smaller).



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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

I had a ride in a BE1 from DEN-MKC continuing to MHK once, and the ride into MKC was hair-raising at 13,500 feet (I only knew we were at that altitude because I could see most of the instruments in 2B) There was a major summer thunderstorm and we were IN, like inside it! The pilots were having fun, only a few of the 9 pax (1 got off in MCK) were remotely scared, And oh the dips and bumps were fun. The pilots, after a significant bump (I watched the altimeter needle MOVE, and fast!) sprang into action. One of them furiously started whipping through his' BE1 flight manual and then started groping around under his seat until he found this really big book of Jepessen aeronautical charts, which he furiously whipped through also and ripped out the sheet he wanted.

We banked out of the storm and coincidentally made a *very* high and fast approach to MCK. The ex-Big Sky bird bounced thrice on the runway before stopping.

Lakes' does the best with what they have, but the way those birds are flown its no wonder things like this happen from time to time.


User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 19):
I had a ride in a BE1 from DEN-MKC continuing to MHK once, and the ride into MKC was hair-raising at 13,500 feet (I only knew we were at that altitude because I could see most of the instruments in 2B) There was a major summer thunderstorm and we were IN, like inside it! The pilots were having fun, only a few of the 9 pax (1 got off in MCK) were remotely scared, And oh the dips and bumps were fun. The pilots, after a significant bump (I watched the altimeter needle MOVE, and fast!) sprang into action. One of them furiously started whipping through his' BE1 flight manual and then started groping around under his seat until he found this really big book of Jepessen aeronautical charts, which he furiously whipped through also and ripped out the sheet he wanted.

We banked out of the storm and coincidentally made a *very* high and fast approach to MCK. The ex-Big Sky bird bounced thrice on the runway before stopping.

Lakes' does the best with what they have, but the way those birds are flown its no wonder things like this happen from time to time.

And now people know why I close the cockpit doors on every flight of mine   What you see, and what IS happening are often 2 different things. Their is no way we (or anyone else) for that matter were in Thunderstorm. You might have been going around the edge of the storm at a safe distance, and yes you might have gotten significant turbulence from it, but you were definitely NOT in a thunderstorm. And the instrument you saw move (and fast) was most likely the Vertical Speed Indicator (VSI) not the altimeter. Plus, their is no way we were at 13500 ft, a VFR cruising altitude the whole way to MCK. How do you know we were "VERY" high and fast? Was it windy, gusty, where there other circumstances that pertained to that situation? My guess is YES, and I hate to sound like an A$$, (and don't take it personally) but its armchair pilots like you that often get us into trouble. Let us do our jobs, instead of trying to interpret everything we do, and you will gain a lot more respect from everyone in the industry!

BTW...really miss our MHK overnights, was a great overnight!



ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

I don't mean to confront you on this, but we were definitely in the thunderstorm and at FL135 before we began climbing to a higher altitude. On the ground at MHK, The captain and FO were joking with the pax about the flight, and had said they were taking advantage of the (I guess lower) prevailing winds to MCK, but they didn't expect to encounter the storm until after MCK. We cruised above FL230 on the MHK flight, or so they said. It was too dark in the cabin to make out the instruments on that leg.

From my position at 2B, I had a great view of the left seat. The VSI and the Altimeter are very close to each other, but this BE1 had a digital altitude gauge next (to the right) of the altimeter. You're probably correct that I was watching the VSI when it jumped, but I did have a good view of the altitude. The Captain thought it was neat that I was following along behind and was trying to convince me to become a pilot. I replied, "for Lakes? I want to live above the poverty line out of college." He laughed and said he was pursuing a job at F9.

In my few visits to Readytocopy, It seems that even captains worry about the safety and age of many of their aircraft. The birds are very high cycle and the airline is cash-poor. Now with lots of flying shifting to other carriers, I don't know how they're going to survive in the long term.

cbphoto, what do you think about the mx situation at ZK?


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 21):
I don't mean to confront you on this, but we were definitely in the thunderstorm and at FL135 before we began climbing to a higher altitude. On the ground at MHK, The captain and FO were joking with the pax about the flight, and had said they were taking advantage of the (I guess lower) prevailing winds to MCK, but they didn't expect to encounter the storm until after MCK. We cruised above FL230 on the MHK flight, or so they said. It was too dark in the cabin to make out the instruments on that leg.

Im pretty sure that you were not in a thunderstorm...you might have been near a storm but you were most likely not in one. What makes you think that you were in a thunderstorm? Could you see the radar? Could you hear the crew? I cant think of any professional crew that would ever knowingly take an airplane into a thunderstorm. There is a difference between precip and a thunderstorm. I'd be very careful about making assumptions about what a crew is doing when you have little clue about what is happening on the flight deck. Shame on the crew for not shutting the sliding cockpit door.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 15):
Are jets the best option for a place like DEN with high altitude and high winds?

Sure . . .

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