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Chances That THY Order 747-8Is Or A380s?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3736 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8042 times:

I read that THY has been thinking about ordering A380s or 747-8Is, due to there growth as an airline. Now this make me think, what are the chances, that we will see an A380 or 747-8I in THY livery in the near future?

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User currently offlineqfa787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Pretty good I think. My reading was that a decision was supposed to have been made internally last month. I don't know if that is the case. Possible(probable) Paris airshow announcement IMO. TK like to split their orders between Airbus and Boeing but I don't think they'll do that in the VLA category. The number required won't be that large and it will be 380 or 748I, not both.
I have no idea which way this one will go and there is still a chance they will not go VLA but I think that's remote.


User currently offlineqfa787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

here's a link from the Seattle Times in October last year discussing TK's VLA requirement:

I can't find the link that indicated an internal decision by April this year.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...chnology/2013154073_turkish14.html


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7888 times:

There is a current RFP out seeking information on a 787/748 or 350/380 order.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
There is a current RFP out seeking information on a 787/748 or 350/380 order.

I think that for political reasons, TK will split the order; I think the 748i is probably out of the running (but I wouldn't want to bet money on it!), so I think we will see TK order A380s and a mix of A350s and 787s. The A350/787 has been "imminent" for quite a long time, so I would not be surprised if we saw that at Paris. Not sure when we'll see a 380 order, but I think it will happen.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now this make me think, what are the chances, that we will see an A380 or 747-8I in THY livery in the near future?

Not a lock, but well within the realm of possibility.



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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quite low..... We dnt hqve the market share to fill them yet


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 6):
Quite low..... We dnt hqve the market share to fill them yet

So why does your company send RFPs for VLAs to Boeing and Airbus?

[Edited 2011-05-17 23:29:29]

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 6):
We dnt hqve the market share to fill them yet


Not yet, but TK is quite ambitious and wants to compete with Gulf region carriers like EK, QR and EY. Now that will take quite some investment in upgrading TK's hubs, but it could help having A380's on order to speed up things like that. Delivery slots probably won't be available before 2015 anyway, and if the infrastructure isn't ready yet TK can always defer delivery...
For that reason alone I think there is no chance of 747-8i's, it can only be an A380 as VLA for TK. Airport authorities won't be pushed by a 747 order ("really, you've ordered 747's. So what?). OTOH: "Wow, A380's, great! What do we need to do to have accommodate them?"
Just my line of thinking, not based on what kind of evidence whatsoever  



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 6):
Quite low..... We dnt hqve the market share to fill them yet

Remember you wont be able to get an A388 now until late 2014 at the earliest - probably later. If the Turkish economy continues growing as it does and the airline continues growing outpacing it, then there may be a need for some VLAs from 2015 onwards.

You could run them on short flights to DUS between long-hauls to ensure utilisation rates are high. I can see JFK, LHR, HKG, YYZ, maybe LAX as well by then. Wont need many but a fleet of six or eight I think you could make work well.

A388 or 748i? I have no idea. My gut says 747-8i. I think they need a big win and will get TK on price and flexibility ticket.



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3395 times:

My guess is that THY will get a mix of A350/B787s and in the future a higher range variant of the A380.


IST can emerge as the first Hub in europe which could offer non-stop europe-australia connections with a lot of feeder flights from Star airlines all over europe.


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I read that THY has been thinking about ordering A380s or 747-8Is, due to there growth as an airline. Now this make me think, what are the chances, that we will see an A380 or 747-8I in THY livery in the near future?

I think Turkish is very close to ordering the A380. I´m not so sure about the 747-8I though... I think the airlines needs rather than politics will be the deciding factor here. It looks like the political influence in Turkish is far less than for instance at Thai whose growth is hampered by stupid political interference all the time. Any minor investment at Thai has political implications and that does not seem to be the case at Turkish.

The market for the A380 on longhaul routes out of Istanbul is clearly there and Turkish is a well run and fast expanding airline. I think Turkish is closer to ordering the A380 than perhaps any other airline right now,



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31261 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2833 times:
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Quoting Navigator (Reply 11):
I think the airlines needs rather than politics will be the deciding factor here.

Which should knock the 747-8 out of the running. Boeing has a pricing floor they will not go below for the 747-8 and Airbus seem to be willing to match that minimum price, at which point why wouldn't you go for the A380-800?

And Boeing can't price the 747-8 too low just to spite Airbus because one of two bad things for Boeing could happen:

1) Airbus doesn't match the bid, and Boeing ends up selling the 747-8 for a loss, or

2) Boeing hurts their pricing position on the 777-300ER, which is in demand and can command a "premium".


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