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Another United Blunder?  
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14040 times:

New UA Billboard: "You're gonna like where we land".

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...s-Ground-Zero-Ad-Land-WTC-NYC.html

Not bad, but maybe not the best slogan considering it's placement is directly across from Ground Zero in New York City.


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13930 times:

I don't think it's an issue, really.

The ugly truth being that the planes that crashed into the towers didn't exactly land.  



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13875 times:

I wouldn't have thought twice about it, if I saw it.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13791 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Thread starter):
New UA Billboard: "You're gonna like where we land".

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...s-Ground-Zero-Ad-Land-WTC-NYC.html

Not bad, but maybe not the best slogan considering it's placement is directly across from Ground Zero in New York City.

You really cannot pin the blame on UA, since the ad was approved by the MTA and the company that installs ads for these outdoor signs probably didn't think anything of the ad in regards to where to place such ads. If you want to blame anyone, blame the contractor that put the ad in that location.

If I remember correctly, Delta found themselves in a similar situation after the crash of DL191 at DFW, as there was a Delta billboard near the crash site that featured their slogan at the time, "We Love To Fly And It Shows.".


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13752 times:

People who are looking for opportunity to be offended will find something to be offended by.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 2):
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, if I saw it.

No, I wouldn't either. This is a non-issue.

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 4):
People who are looking for opportunity to be offended will find something to be offended by.

  



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2195 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13461 times:

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 4):
People who are looking for opportunity to be offended will find something to be offended by.

Spot on!

Time to get over it. Not forget it, but get on with life.



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User currently offlinePacificClipper From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13198 times:

Personally it's not an issue for me. Then again, I don't live in NYC now or at the time of the 9/11 attacks nor do I know anyone who was personally affected by those events. But I can see how those emotions are still raw for many. This incident may have come across as crass especially since the WTC site is still a construction site, keeping the memories fresh and the wounds open. Once the site is fully developed, I suspect people will be able to more easily move on emotionally.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
You really cannot pin the blame on UA,

But you can. Print ad placement is normally monitored and approved by the client in this case, United. The company that sells you the ad space has to provide an inventory of locations where the ads will be placed. PMCO was obviously overseeing that advertising placement since it was they, not PMUA, that advertised heavily on public transit, cabs, phone booths, billboards, etc. in NYC.



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12908 times:

I've got an idea. We could also declare a no-fly zone within about 5 miles of lower Manhattan so that no one has to be traumatized by planes flying by.


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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

I wouldn't say it's offensive per se but it's slightly awkward, in a darkly funny kind of way. Not quite failblog material or anything like that...


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User currently offlineewr767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

I swear some of you have nothing better to do than conspire all day about conspiracy theories. Do you really think united management said or say ok we want a sign at address of x y z in every city in America or anywhere for that matter. Yes there are instances during specials events or promotions. Or could it be the marketing and advertising company that is hired by united that is responsible those decisions.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11491 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 9):
I wouldn't say it's offensive per se but it's slightly awkward, in a darkly funny kind of way.

A little awkwardness is healthy...keeps people on their toes. Anyone who is offended needs to find something better to be offended about.

Move on.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3174 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10616 times:

"I don't think it's an issue, really.

The ugly truth being that the planes that crashed into the towers didn't exactly land."

Unfortunately, people in New York City (which United needs as customers) do have an issue with it. A big issue. The news does acknowledge that it was placed by an agency . . . so there are no UA conspiracy theories floating around on mainstream media.


"Time to get over it. Not forget it, but get on with life."

Yeah, well 2000 people were killed there less than 10 years ago. And 2 iconic buildings were destroyed. And the site is still under reconstruction. So I think the people have a point.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10402 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 4):
People who are looking for opportunity to be offended will find something to be offended by.

Spot on!

Time to get over it. Not forget it, but get on with life.

Losing a loved one leaves wounds whose pain may diminish, but never completely heals. I know that if someone I loved had been killed in the WTC's collapse, or had been on UA 175, I would find this sign inappropriate.



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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

The thing is, even if you don't like this sign being where it was, UA accomplished their goal by this controversy. Now it's all over the airwaves and the newspapers that UA is marketing its NYC operation.

Press is still press, whether it's good or bad. Most people will quickly forget why they heard the UA name, but they probably won't forget that they heard it.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 14):
The thing is, even if you don't like this sign being where it was, UA accomplished their goal by this controversy. Now it's all over the airwaves and the newspapers that UA is marketing its NYC operation.

Press is still press, whether it's good or bad. Most people will quickly forget why they heard the UA name, but they probably won't forget that they heard it.

I think that bad press can be devastating to a company's image. Fifteen years ago this week, after the ValuJet crash in the Everglades, ValuJet had the highest brand awareness of any airline in the USA. They still had to change their name after the crash!

When I was hired by a major airline, during employee orientation we were shown a video of a United stewardess making immature remarks when she was in the audience of the David Letterman TV show. Mr. Letterman subsequently made fun of her, and United, throughout the rest of the show.

At the end of the video, the woman from HR who was coordinating the orientation session said "this woman is no longer employed by United. Be very careful about what you say about your employer!".

Even if United was not responsible for the sign's location, the news media will portray UA as insensitive. This will not make people more likely to choose United.



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Really? In that case, AF shouldn't advertise anywhere near YYZ, AV near JFK, the list goes on and on.

I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, but people, it's been 10 years. Do you really think UA posted that to me malicious?

This is absurd!


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Quoting heathrow (Reply 16):
Really? In that case, AF shouldn't advertise anywhere near YYZ, AV near JFK, the list goes on and on.

I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, but people, it's been 10 years. Do you really think UA posted that to me malicious?

This is absurd!

The AF YYZ accident, and the AV JFK accident, are much lower profile events than 9/11. Very few people outside the airline industry remember these events, but most people in the USA still remember 9/11. Look at the outpouring of jubilation in the USA earlier this month regarding Osama Bin Laden!

A similar analogy would be the swastika. In the late 1930s and early 1940s, Lufthansa aircraft had the swastika on their rudders, but LH still does not allow the swastika to appear on company sponsored paintings of aircraft from this period, even though the absence of the swastika makes the aircraft paintings historically inaccurate.

UA did not make the posting to be malicious, but UA, or their advertising agency, should have been much more cautious about the message and its location.



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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 334 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

I think at the end of the day this will have minimal to zero impact on anything that matters. In short a relative non-event that will upset a few people for the moment and will soon be forgotten.

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

AA had a slogan years ago, "Great planes to great places." It got pulled after about 6 months, because someone in marketing decided that all of the cities that AA served weren't great. For every New York, Phoenix, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, there was Omaha, Des Moines, Cleveland, Buffalo, and Indianapolis.

Maybe a person likes United, but he despises where he has to go.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7936 times:

Come on people, get a grip.

You find this offensive or innappropriate? Crikey, how long after the event would it be appropriate for United to have an advert near the site? 20 years, 50 years never?

A friend of mine was killed. He was on the upper floors of one of the towers. Was it tragic - yes, will we ever forget it - no, do I give a monkeys where United decide to advertise - no. The tragedy of September 11th was not of United's doing. If it was, then people may have a point.

What next, banning sales of Hebrew phrase books within 500 metres of lower Manhattan. Why must somebody choose to be offended over this? Yes, I believe you CHOOSE to be offended. Once again, get a grip.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7674 times:

Quoting Woof (Reply 20):
Crikey, how long after the event would it be appropriate for United to have an advert near the site? 20 years, 50 years never?
Quoting heathrow (Reply 16):
Really? In that case, AF shouldn't advertise anywhere near YYZ, AV near JFK, the list goes on and on.

The issue, I think is not the existence of an advertisement near the WTC site, but the wording of the ad. Even if Flight 175 did not exactly "land" when it crashed into the south tower, it's similar enough to many folks that "You're going to like where we land" as a slogan seems tacky, insensitive, or offensive. For example, "More flights to more destinations worldwide" would convey a similar message but perhaps not come off as being offensive.

To quote the news article: "Pedestrians in the area said the ad's message didn't seem to be deliberately controversial, but could be seen as insensitive to victims and survivors of the 9/11 attack." It's not the fact that this was an ad for United; it is the MESSAGE.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7613 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Quoting tharanga (Reply 2):
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, if I saw it.

No, I wouldn't either. This is a non-issue.

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 4):
People who are looking for opportunity to be offended will find something to be offended by.

Isn't it television "Sweeps Week?"

Next week no one will even remember this incident.


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 2):
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, if I saw it.

Same, here unless it was a headline on 'The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" on Monday nights or on "Ellen" In that case I'd just laugh.



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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

I agree with that others have said earlier, that many people just to find something to be offended about. I don't think this even crossed United's mind when they placed the add. They probably have the same sign in L.A., Houston, Chicago, Denver etc. Is the location awkward, Yes i agree, but I don't think a lot of mature adults will find this offensive, I would like to think that they would understand that it is simply and advertisement and that, clearly, there was no bad intent.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 2):


Exactly, I wouldn't have thought twice either.

This is all coming from people that, IMHO, have nothing better to do than dissect every little thing and make something out of nothing.

CapEd



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25 penguins : This is stupid! I actully think that it is funny that people are making such a big deal out of this.
26 SAAFNAV : Oh yes, my pet hate. Right next to frivolous lawsuits
27 LH600 : Exactly.
28 Post contains links bohica : The ad has been removed. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...s-Ground-Zero-Ad-Land-WTC-NYC.html Case closed.
29 BMI727 : Add United to the list of companies with no balls at all.
30 jfklganyc : Dude, the slogan "You'll like where we land," right across the street from the site where one of their planes landed, killing thousands of people is i
31 kgaiflyer : Well, I remember several years ago landing at EWR; taking the AeroTrain over to the TNJ commuter services station; changing to the PATH train at Jers
32 darthluke12694 : I understand and partially agree with both sides of the story. I understand that it COULD be offensive to some, but then it is time to move on. In my
33 N766UA : It's not inappropriate or offensive... but come on, that's a little messed up, for sure.
34 MoltenRock : Wow, if you get offended over something this insignificant, you need to find a life.
35 Post contains images comorin : While I am tired of people exploiting 9/11, one must not forget that it is still hallowed ground to most New Yorkers. We'll let you know if and when
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