goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7867 times:
I just read a post on Travel Polls and Briefs forum titled "Shortest Commercial Routes" I was thinking that TPA and MCO are more than 100 miles apart and there were numerous flights that go a lot shorter distance. Even if it's barely considered a flight it may get people some easy rapid rewards since so many people travel to Orlando from the Bay area and other parts of FL.
N623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
I wish jetBlue can operate that route on a E190, since MCO is a major JetBlue hub/ focus city. I wish jetBlue can start their own regional airline like the major airlines do. From there, they can operate a smaller plane..smaller than a E190, or just operate a regional airline with the E190s, and the mainline jetBlue with A320s, and other aircraft.
Just my opinion.
Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
There are a few reasons, I think
1) It would be a very short flight - not very economical, even for a small commuter aircraft.
2) There's a good freeway between the two cities
3) It's not as if either city is a major international gateway and both have more than sufficient access to all major US gateways.
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7742 times:
I believe in never say never but highly unlikely. Tampa Bay are population is to spread out and same for Orlando. I live 25 miles north of TPA and can be in Orlando in less then 2 hours pending that i drive outside the horendous peak hours where the I4 is a parking lot. If i were to fly ill need to leave almost 2 hours before flight to have time for the drive, park the car and then have to pay for parking plus the cost of the ticket. And when i land in MCO after a half hour flight have to go and get a rental and then drive to my final destination I've probably spent over 4 hours traveling. To much hasle. That's y i believe the proposed high speed train between Tampa and Orlando will newer work. Same issues as with flying. Plus public transportation in Tampa and Orlando is almost nonexistent.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5107 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
The only way I could see it happening is if MCO or TPA were developed into a major connecting hub. When DL had the MCO hub, there were a few flights a day. I can't imagine there would be many LGA-PHL flights if US didn't hub at PHL.
csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5): Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 3):
Plus public transportation in Tampa and Orlando is almost nonexistent.
As a frequent visitor from this side of the pond I agree and ask why?
Is it the lack of demand or the lack of private investment?
Do people just think CAR and nothing else?
It is too spread out. Both cities really grew after the automobile (and after A/C made living in Florida actually possible for most people) so the built up city centers of Europe or the North East US never happened. This is while I think rapid rail is great for the Boston-Washington Corridor, but really dumb in most of the rest of the US - and perhaps the dumbest place to put rapid rail is Tampa - Orlando.
I go to DC from NY for work maybe ten times/year and last flew in the 90s'. You can't beat taking the subway to Amtrak - Metro to our DC office.
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RP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7404 times:
Ironically, I just arrived home in Tampa an hour ago after flying into Orlando. I was non-reving, and had the car in MCO, since the flights this past Friday looked better from there vs TPA. The driving time from the off-airport parking place to my house 7 miles east of Tampa was 1:20. Of course, I might have been going just a teeny bit above the posted speed limit,
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7368 times:
According to Google Maps, it is 92.5 miles door-to-door between MCO and TPA airports. All of it is on freeways. That should take approximately 1.5 hours. It would take longer than that to fly considering departure and arrival procedures.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7354 times:
I echo those who talk about the drive, with family in both the TPA and MCO area I usually fly AA to TPA via MIA, spend a few days then drive to MCO for a few more, other than the tolls and the time of day for traffic, a couple hours drive in the cai ain't bad, not much to see other than how spread out the populations of both are but definately not a bad drive, much preferred over the airport security and wait. Besides, if you drive you get to do more sight seeing as long as your GPS is up to date.
exFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7265 times:
If JetBlue continues to expand Orlando as a connection opportunity, there could be an opportunity for an E190 flight or two a day, with a combination of connecting passengers and Tampa residents going to Disney who don't want to rent a car and use the "Magical Express" to go to Disney World.
Otherwise, I don't see it being very profitable, given the short drive time. Even Greyhound only offers 5 buses a day between the two, and Amtrak offers once-daily service.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7253 times:
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13): Isn't this corridor on a priority list for high speed rail at some point? (Yes, I know it still might not happen until the year 2525.)
New governor declined the fed funds so project for all intents and purposes is dead, funds have already been re-bid by a few other states.
Think the reason was the fear of how much additional funds the state would have to put up for overruns etc.
TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
DL flew TPA-MCO with mainline equipment in the early 90's. I seem to recall a 767 flight that went TPA-MCO-BDL. UA also flew the TPA-MCO route in the early 90's. Both DL and UA did so to connect TPA with their hub ops at MCO. US had B-1900 service on MCO-PIE and UA had a 757 flight from SRQ that went SRQ-MCO-IAD and later SRQ-MCO-ORD back in the early 90's.
Car is just so much more convenient. Plus the population density is to spread out for any mode of transportation to work. In the tri county area Hilsbrough, Pinellas, and Pasco the second is the most densly populated county in the entire state of florida and it's still to spread out. The transport system is run by the county and it is inefective and majority of the population looks down upon it. And to my knowlege u can't get from county to county using it, its all inter county routes.
MI5Flyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6570 times:
The distance between the Disney area and Tampa is only about 60 miles via I-4. Doing 75-80 this can be covered at most times in less than 1 hour. If you are going all the way to Clearwater add 30 min. It would take 20 min. to reach MCO from the Disney area. Add time to check in, massive security lines and then for the flight and you would be WAY behind driving. This route won't be back....at least to serve visitors anyway. Maybe at some point someone would have a flight between the airports as a tag on. I think this is what DL Expresss ran and they might have been the last to do so. I did fly TPA-MCO in the 80's via TranStar on an MD80 after having to non rev into TPA with Mom's car at MCO. Those days are long gone.
The rail line has been killed by the governor. That's a good thing. Most visitors use rental cars and you pretty much need a car to get around in Central Florida. The train between Disney and Tampa would have only been used by visitors and the odd local yocal going Tampa for fun. People don't live here and work in Tampa...at least everyday. If I have a meeting over there it takes an 1:15 in the car. I drive where I want to go in Tampa and return. Neither Tampa nor Orlando have solid local transport options in place once one were to arrive via train thus the advantage in driving the 6 lane I-4. The train would have been nice to have...but not at 2.4 billion $. It would have been a pool of red ink on the FL taxpayer at this point. Maybe it will make more sense down the road.
: Problem is that right now there is not a lot of need for anyone to go from Orlando to Tampa. The only real traffic right now is tourist traffic - and
: Set your Wayback Machine to July 1, 1974. The original National Airlines had SEVEN jet flights a day TPA-MCO - six 727s and one DC-10! And yes, I - 4
: Most of these are feeder routes into a major hub - such as FNT/TOL to DTW, which are both closer to DTW than MCO/TPA are to each other. Those are peo
: Wow, did I get a kick out reading that timetable!! Looking at some of the other routes they flew from Tampa, they actually flew 4 times a day to Sara
: There use to be a ridiculous amount of flights between MCO-TPA...The fares were routinely $19.00 (one-way). If you check an OAG even through the 1980'
: Five times a day, between TPA to SRQ by my count. Back then, a typical NAL routing would be JAX-DAY-MCO-TPA-SRQ-FMY-MIA all in Florida with a 727-100
: The reason that Rick Scott of Florida and Scott Walker of Wisconsin turned down Federal Funds for high speed rail is that both of them are Tea Party
: We're not the brightest bunch of a-holes down here. Back to the topic, I know DLX flew the 732 as a revenue positioning flight around the yr 2000. Wi
: Yes, but no where near the traffic on it we see today. The worst thing to happen was the yearly invasion of sink-holes sometimes swallowing up whole
: There is absolutely no need for a flight between the Cities, but that doesnt mean someone wont open a route. As everyone else is saying its quicker to
: Back in the early mid 70's while growing up in the Tampa area I probably flew a dozen round-trips TPA-MCO to basically joy ride large airliners thanks
: I have to agree, and think the air/ground cutoff for non-connecting short routes travel is well beyond 100 miles now, and on routes where most travel
: I did the same from MIA in the 60's and early 70s- incuding a day trip on NA from MIA to JAX on an Electra MIA-PBI-MCO-DAB-JAX (Imeson)-DAB-MCO-TPA-F
: Short route??? Eastern used to fly a B757 from ATL-MLB-MCO back to ATL. That (MLB - MCO) is only 48 air miles... KD
: I would be inclined to agree that Scott is very unpopular. Not going to buy that he turned down the money because it was offered by the Obama adminis
: That's the only reason why UA and AA have commuter service between ORD and MKE, the connections. Amtrak has frequent service from Union Station to Mi
: How about FLL-MIA on DL 757 in the late 80s-18 air miles.
: Or the same 18-mile route on a Western DC-10.... http://www.departedflights.com/WA030181p10.html As for TPA-MCO.....it was flown by quite a few airli
: I flew on a NA DC-10 on the route several times. It was an evening flight that operated MCO-TPA-IAH-LAX, as has been written above, unless TPA or MCO
: TPA-MCO is about the equivilent of SJC-SFO. Still stranger things have happened (SNA-LAX!)
: I understand and it amazes me that there are still shorter flights.
: Yep. Flew PVD-MCO-TPA in '98 or '99. Massive T storm opened up while on the ground in MCO. Yes, it was on the -200's if I remember correctly. Amen.
: Well since the FAA changed rules for commuter airlines flying 10-30 passengers to the more complicated Part 121 regulations, short routes like this ha