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How Come No TPA-MCO?  
User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

I just read a post on Travel Polls and Briefs forum titled "Shortest Commercial Routes" I was thinking that TPA and MCO are more than 100 miles apart and there were numerous flights that go a lot shorter distance. Even if it's barely considered a flight it may get people some easy rapid rewards since so many people travel to Orlando from the Bay area and other parts of FL.


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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

I wish jetBlue can operate that route on a E190, since MCO is a major JetBlue hub/ focus city. I wish jetBlue can start their own regional airline like the major airlines do. From there, they can operate a smaller plane..smaller than a E190, or just operate a regional airline with the E190s, and the mainline jetBlue with A320s, and other aircraft.

Just my opinion.

N623JB



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

There are a few reasons, I think
1) It would be a very short flight - not very economical, even for a small commuter aircraft.
2) There's a good freeway between the two cities
3) It's not as if either city is a major international gateway and both have more than sufficient access to all major US gateways.


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
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I believe in never say never but highly unlikely. Tampa Bay are population is to spread out and same for Orlando. I live 25 miles north of TPA and can be in Orlando in less then 2 hours pending that i drive outside the horendous peak hours where the I4 is a parking lot. If i were to fly ill need to leave almost 2 hours before flight to have time for the drive, park the car and then have to pay for parking plus the cost of the ticket. And when i land in MCO after a half hour flight have to go and get a rental and then drive to my final destination I've probably spent over 4 hours traveling. To much hasle. That's y i believe the proposed high speed train between Tampa and Orlando will newer work. Same issues as with flying. Plus public transportation in Tampa and Orlando is almost nonexistent.

User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5069 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

The only way I could see it happening is if MCO or TPA were developed into a major connecting hub. When DL had the MCO hub, there were a few flights a day. I can't imagine there would be many LGA-PHL flights if US didn't hub at PHL.


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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 3):
Plus public transportation in Tampa and Orlando is almost nonexistent.

As a frequent visitor from this side of the pond I agree and ask why?
Is it the lack of demand or the lack of private investment?
Do people just think CAR and nothing else?



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User currently offlinecsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 3):
Plus public transportation in Tampa and Orlando is almost nonexistent.

As a frequent visitor from this side of the pond I agree and ask why?
Is it the lack of demand or the lack of private investment?
Do people just think CAR and nothing else?

It is too spread out. Both cities really grew after the automobile (and after A/C made living in Florida actually possible for most people) so the built up city centers of Europe or the North East US never happened. This is while I think rapid rail is great for the Boston-Washington Corridor, but really dumb in most of the rest of the US - and perhaps the dumbest place to put rapid rail is Tampa - Orlando.

I go to DC from NY for work maybe ten times/year and last flew in the 90s'. You can't beat taking the subway to Amtrak - Metro to our DC office.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Having driven Orlando to Tampa many times along I-4, its much quicker than flying... if you check in 90 mins prior, you could be there by car before you even board a plane.


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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

DL (via ASA) used to fly that route many years ago in Brasilias!

I once actually flew TLH -> TPA via MCO!



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Ironically, I just arrived home in Tampa an hour ago after flying into Orlando. I was non-reving, and had the car in MCO, since the flights this past Friday looked better from there vs TPA. The driving time from the off-airport parking place to my house 7 miles east of Tampa was 1:20. Of course, I might have been going just a teeny bit above the posted speed limit,   

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

According to Google Maps, it is 92.5 miles door-to-door between MCO and TPA airports. All of it is on freeways. That should take approximately 1.5 hours. It would take longer than that to fly considering departure and arrival procedures.

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

I echo those who talk about the drive, with family in both the TPA and MCO area I usually fly AA to TPA via MIA, spend a few days then drive to MCO for a few more, other than the tolls and the time of day for traffic, a couple hours drive in the cai ain't bad, not much to see other than how spread out the populations of both are but definately not a bad drive, much preferred over the airport security and wait. Besides, if you drive you get to do more sight seeing as long as your GPS is up to date. 

User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
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HP also flew the route as a tag on LAS-TPA-MCO. And unless you lived and were destined to within one mile of each airport, it would seem to be a colossal waste of resources.


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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Isn't this corridor on a priority list for high speed rail at some point? (Yes, I know it still might not happen until the year 2525.)

User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

If JetBlue continues to expand Orlando as a connection opportunity, there could be an opportunity for an E190 flight or two a day, with a combination of connecting passengers and Tampa residents going to Disney who don't want to rent a car and use the "Magical Express" to go to Disney World.

Otherwise, I don't see it being very profitable, given the short drive time. Even Greyhound only offers 5 buses a day between the two, and Amtrak offers once-daily service.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13):
Isn't this corridor on a priority list for high speed rail at some point? (Yes, I know it still might not happen until the year 2525.)

New governor declined the fed funds so project for all intents and purposes is dead, funds have already been re-bid by a few other states.
Think the reason was the fear of how much additional funds the state would have to put up for overruns etc.


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7104 times:
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Air Florida used to fly Electras from PIE to MCO. I did that a couple of times.

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User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

I flew a DL 757 from TPA-MCO back in the early 90's just so I could catch a Braniff 727 to DFW. Also, didn't Delta Express fly from TPA-MCO as well as Comair with the Brasilia's?

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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6919 times:
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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
Do people just think CAR and nothing else?


In the USA? You're kidding, right?
The major car rental companies make a small fortune on rentals between Orlando and Tampa. Think about it.

You want to drag three kids and a mommy from Orlando to Busch Gardens in Tampa. Do you pack them up and go to the airport or just throw them in a minivan and drive?

I rest my case.   


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):
In the USA? You're kidding, right?
The major car rental companies make a small fortune on rentals between Orlando and Tampa. Think about it.

You want to drag three kids and a mommy from Orlando to Busch Gardens in Tampa. Do you pack them up and go to the airport or just throw them in a minivan and drive?

I rest my case.

Yes, I believe a few of those families were taking nice scenic drives today on I4, right in front of me.  


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2530 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6798 times:
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Quoting skymiler (Reply 8):
DL (via ASA) used to fly that route many years ago in Brasilias

Yes I did that too and also on someone's Bandit---through an afternoon thunderstorm. It was quite entertaining!

Quoting L1011 (Reply 16):
Air Florida used to fly Electras from PIE to MCO. I did that a couple of times

Oh yeah, every now and then positioning between PIE and TPA as well! Wouldn't even retract the gear.



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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

DL flew TPA-MCO with mainline equipment in the early 90's. I seem to recall a 767 flight that went TPA-MCO-BDL. UA also flew the TPA-MCO route in the early 90's. Both DL and UA did so to connect TPA with their hub ops at MCO. US had B-1900 service on MCO-PIE and UA had a 757 flight from SRQ that went SRQ-MCO-IAD and later SRQ-MCO-ORD back in the early 90's.


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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6692 times:
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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):

Car is just so much more convenient. Plus the population density is to spread out for any mode of transportation to work. In the tri county area Hilsbrough, Pinellas, and Pasco the second is the most densly populated county in the entire state of florida and it's still to spread out. The transport system is run by the county and it is inefective and majority of the population looks down upon it. And to my knowlege u can't get from county to county using it, its all inter county routes.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

MCO-TPA was an Eastern route for many years, as well as Braniff and Braniff II.

User currently offlineMI5Flyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6560 times:

The distance between the Disney area and Tampa is only about 60 miles via I-4. Doing 75-80 this can be covered at most times in less than 1 hour. If you are going all the way to Clearwater add 30 min. It would take 20 min. to reach MCO from the Disney area. Add time to check in, massive security lines and then for the flight and you would be WAY behind driving. This route won't be back....at least to serve visitors anyway. Maybe at some point someone would have a flight between the airports as a tag on. I think this is what DL Expresss ran and they might have been the last to do so. I did fly TPA-MCO in the 80's via TranStar on an MD80 after having to non rev into TPA with Mom's car at MCO. Those days are long gone.

The rail line has been killed by the governor. That's a good thing. Most visitors use rental cars and you pretty much need a car to get around in Central Florida. The train between Disney and Tampa would have only been used by visitors and the odd local yocal going Tampa for fun. People don't live here and work in Tampa...at least everyday. If I have a meeting over there it takes an 1:15 in the car. I drive where I want to go in Tampa and return. Neither Tampa nor Orlando have solid local transport options in place once one were to arrive via train thus the advantage in driving the 6 lane I-4. The train would have been nice to have...but not at 2.4 billion $. It would have been a pool of red ink on the FL taxpayer at this point. Maybe it will make more sense down the road.


25 cloudboy : Problem is that right now there is not a lot of need for anyone to go from Orlando to Tampa. The only real traffic right now is tourist traffic - and
26 Post contains links maxpower1954 : Set your Wayback Machine to July 1, 1974. The original National Airlines had SEVEN jet flights a day TPA-MCO - six 727s and one DC-10! And yes, I - 4
27 NASCARAirforce : Most of these are feeder routes into a major hub - such as FNT/TOL to DTW, which are both closer to DTW than MCO/TPA are to each other. Those are peo
28 flaps30 : Wow, did I get a kick out reading that timetable!! Looking at some of the other routes they flew from Tampa, they actually flew 4 times a day to Sara
29 crownvic : There use to be a ridiculous amount of flights between MCO-TPA...The fares were routinely $19.00 (one-way). If you check an OAG even through the 1980'
30 maxpower1954 : Five times a day, between TPA to SRQ by my count. Back then, a typical NAL routing would be JAX-DAY-MCO-TPA-SRQ-FMY-MIA all in Florida with a 727-100
31 milesrich : The reason that Rick Scott of Florida and Scott Walker of Wisconsin turned down Federal Funds for high speed rail is that both of them are Tea Party
32 Post contains images Dazed767 : We're not the brightest bunch of a-holes down here. Back to the topic, I know DLX flew the 732 as a revenue positioning flight around the yr 2000. Wi
33 ImperialEagle : Yes, but no where near the traffic on it we see today. The worst thing to happen was the yearly invasion of sink-holes sometimes swallowing up whole
34 Worldliner : There is absolutely no need for a flight between the Cities, but that doesnt mean someone wont open a route. As everyone else is saying its quicker to
35 LGA777 : Back in the early mid 70's while growing up in the Tampa area I probably flew a dozen round-trips TPA-MCO to basically joy ride large airliners thanks
36 exFATboy : I have to agree, and think the air/ground cutoff for non-connecting short routes travel is well beyond 100 miles now, and on routes where most travel
37 wingsofman72 : I did the same from MIA in the 60's and early 70s- incuding a day trip on NA from MIA to JAX on an Electra MIA-PBI-MCO-DAB-JAX (Imeson)-DAB-MCO-TPA-F
38 TWAL1011727 : Short route??? Eastern used to fly a B757 from ATL-MLB-MCO back to ATL. That (MLB - MCO) is only 48 air miles... KD
39 Post contains images MI5Flyer : I would be inclined to agree that Scott is very unpopular. Not going to buy that he turned down the money because it was offered by the Obama adminis
40 ckfred : That's the only reason why UA and AA have commuter service between ORD and MKE, the connections. Amtrak has frequent service from Union Station to Mi
41 flflyer : How about FLL-MIA on DL 757 in the late 80s-18 air miles.
42 Post contains links PI767 : Or the same 18-mile route on a Western DC-10.... http://www.departedflights.com/WA030181p10.html As for TPA-MCO.....it was flown by quite a few airli
43 milesrich : I flew on a NA DC-10 on the route several times. It was an evening flight that operated MCO-TPA-IAH-LAX, as has been written above, unless TPA or MCO
44 TOMMY767 : TPA-MCO is about the equivilent of SJC-SFO. Still stranger things have happened (SNA-LAX!)
45 goblin211 : I understand and it amazes me that there are still shorter flights.
46 n92r03 : Yep. Flew PVD-MCO-TPA in '98 or '99. Massive T storm opened up while on the ground in MCO. Yes, it was on the -200's if I remember correctly. Amen.
47 Access-Air : Well since the FAA changed rules for commuter airlines flying 10-30 passengers to the more complicated Part 121 regulations, short routes like this ha
48 Post contains links TransIsland : 91.9 miles, 1 hour 37 minutes... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...=59.379225,135.263672&ie=UTF8&z=10 That's why.
49 cloudboy : Are we arguing the validity of the HSR route, still just throwing out unsubstantiated beliefs about the HSR route, or talking about air service? In an
50 MI5Flyer : Are we throwing out more unsubstantiated assumptions that I-4 traffic is always bad? It can be. But the areas that the traffic gets bad are pretty mu
51 dsuairptman : The drive is easy on I-4. I rented a car at TPA, got on 1-4 East at rush hour and had a uncongested ride all the way to MCO, which I got to the southe
52 isitsafenow : Ya shudda been around years ago. There was a lot of service between these two cities, mostly night equipment moves...........and not an RJ in the bun
53 united319 : And DCA-PHL too!
54 phatfarmlines : AA did try a test in the late '90s where they sent an ATR to MCO and back to try to attract local biz pax. This didn't work. TPA-MCO would be best ser
55 LGA777 : Yes it sure was. At their peak I think they peaked at 10 DC-10's a day. In I think it was in 1975 that they ran a 747 Thur and Sun only MIA-TPA-LAS-T
56 maxpower1954 : I miss National! As a native of Ft. Myers it was the only airline we had while growing up in the 1960s. There was no RSW, they operated out of FMY nea
57 NASCARAirforce : That is what I said earlier about the time it takes to check in to fly between MCO and TPA. The flying would only be 10 min, but the process of the f
58 maxpower1954 : Prior to deregulation, UA, WA ;TW and WA flew SFO-OAK as a tag-on. Probably others I can't think of right now.Oh, another one was Hughes Airwest And
59 Post contains links and images TLHFLA : I like how in 1995, you could hop aboard a 763 to fly TPA-MCO on DL. http://www.departedflights.com/MCO95p5.html However, you would have to settle fo
60 exFATboy : But the carriers already offer TPA service connecting through their main hubs, so why go through the hassle of establishing TPA-MCO service?
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