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Delta MSP-COS CRJ-200 Make Sense?  
User currently offlineck8msp From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

I just returned MSP-COS-MSP and both legs were on a CRJ-200. Flight was sold out departing and oversold on the return with a weight restriction. I have family in COS who say that this flight is routinely oversold. What possible sense does it make to stick with this small of an a/c on this route especially when it appeared that a bulk of the traffic was connecting through MSP?

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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4424 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
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Wow, hadn't realized it had dropped to CR2. I thought it was CR9's with mainline not all that long ago.

User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

oversold flights mean more demand than capacity, which means higher fares! Just my simple business mind at work.

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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

MSP-COS is getting hammered by the war at DEN. Right now 4 carriers are flying MSP-DEN at ridiculously low fares so many COS pax are choosing to drive the 60 miles to Denver to spend 60% less money on their airfares. DL has reduced capacity in the market accordingly.

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

It would be nice to see at least a CR7 on this route, but the CR7 and CR9 fleets are stretched very thin with DL's current schedule. The route is probably stuck with a CR2 in part due to necessity...


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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
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The CR9 definitely seems to have become a staple at DL. How many CR9's does PM DL now operate?


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User currently offlineWABENNER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Didnt DL use to fly a CRJ-200 on CVG-COS?

User currently offlineck8msp From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 2):

Well when they are dropping $400 vouchers, hotel night, meals for several people, it seems that that is not such a good proposition. Last year I got bumped off this flight along with 3 others. We were sent in separate taxis to DIA at about $300 on the meter.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

The problem is probably how low fares are in the DEN-MSP market. DL probably wants a low number of seats because of fares so they can focus on a smaller client el not because the demand isnt there at WN/F9 price levels. They are focusing on getting higher fares and more lucrative connecting passengers with less seats.

DL probably wants to carry mostly connecting passengers and the lower number of people willing to pay a premium on average.

We have seen both UA and DL shift to this same strategy on DEN-SLC in a 4 airline/2 LCC market as the o&d fares are just so low they want mostly the connections and people willing to pay a premium to fly them and have drastically cut seat capacity and taken mainline out for the most part. They know WN and F9 control the o&d and price is a major factor on such a short and competitive routes. Of course delta and united have low fares at times to fill seats but they have given up some of these markets as fares are just too low and are focusing on the connecting traffic and passengers who are willing to pay a little premium usually.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Since MSP-COS is just under 750 miles, hence CR2 eligible, it may be that way because of a lack of larger available aircraft. Tough to say for certain.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7669 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting ck8msp (Thread starter):
Flight was sold out departing and oversold on the return with a weight restriction. I have family in COS who say that this flight is routinely oversold. What possible sense does it make to stick with this small of an a/c on this route especially when it appeared that a bulk of the traffic was connecting through MSP?

With airlines running with >80% load factor, this is a common occurance. My Monday morning flights out of DTW are oversold every single week. They always seem to find enough volunteers. If you flew yesterday or today, part of that could be due to the power failure in MSP that resulted in cancelled flights. Also, as said COS can get weight restrictions on the CR2.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 1):
Wow, hadn't realized it had dropped to CR2. I thought it was CR9's with mainline not all that long ago.

Pre-2008, this had traditionally been mainline A319/A320 route from MSP. It then went to CR9's, now down to CR2s

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
MSP-COS is getting hammered by the war at DEN. Right now 4 carriers are flying MSP-DEN at ridiculously low fares so many COS pax are choosing to drive the 60 miles to Denver to spend 60% less money on their airfares. DL has reduced capacity in the market accordingly.

Exactly. Also consider that COS is not a DL stronghold, with many elites. There is limited premium demand and not many elites to fill First class, hence part of the reason why DL doesn't offer a 2-class product on MSP-COS.

Quoting united319 (Reply 5):
The CR9 definitely seems to have become a staple at DL. How many CR9's does PM DL now operate?

PMDL means pre-meger DL which isn't really relevant now.

DL operates 101 CRJ-900s:
41 - Mesaba
21 - Skywest
16 - Pinnacle
13 - Comair
10 - Atlantic Southeast

Quoting WABENNER (Reply 6):
Didnt DL use to fly a CRJ-200 on CVG-COS?

I can see that back in 2006 they flew this route with CR7s. Looks like it was cut sometime prior to 2008.

Quoting ck8msp (Reply 7):
Well when they are dropping $400 vouchers, hotel night, meals for several people, it seems that that is not such a good proposition

Not if they sold those last few Y/B/M fares which are approaching $1,000

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
Since MSP-COS is just under 750 miles, hence CR2 eligible, it may be that way because of a lack of larger available aircraft. Tough to say for certain.

Yep, its under 750 miles thus can be flown with a single class RJ per DL's policy.


User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

It sucks, MSP-COS was always two daily A319s with NWA in the summer!


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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

MSP-COS is a way for OO to get their CR2 equipment into MX.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4288 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Reply 12):
MSP-COS is a way for OO to get their CR2 equipment into MX.

This is probably the biggest underlying reason more than anything else. OO just started a crew domicile in MSP, and with them doing MSP flying these days, these planes have to get maintained. The contract with regionals specifies that a certain amount of RON's have to end up in certain cities for MX.


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