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New Zealand Aviation Thread #96  
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19421 times:

Welcome to the 96th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In the 95th thread New Zealand Aviation Thread #95 we discussed:

  • - Air NZ Transtasman 320 product
  • - 77W versus 744 fuel load
  • - Air NZ Gold Elite status
  • - Air NZ Airpoints
  • - ZK-NGD inflight engine shutdown
  • - New Air NZ uniform commencement
  • - DJ/NZ Transtasman agreement
  • - Parked Air NZ 744's and charters
  • - JQ commencing AKL-DUD 14 July
  • - Air NZ 77W Y+ reconfiguration 16 Aug to 03 Sep
  • - 787-9 MTOW / Compensation
  • - DJ/NZ Transtasman codeshare eff. Nov 2011
  • - Air NZ Domestic fare rules ......
  • - Potential two new Transtasman routes by DJ/NZ
  • - Australia-Mexico bilateral
  • - Air NZ Northern Winter 2011/2012 Timetable
  • - JQ Business Class
  • - Alexandra flights
  • - TPE-AKL-TPE on CX and CI


[Edited 2011-05-24 05:20:38]

[Edited 2011-05-24 05:21:22]

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User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19166 times:

''Jetstar eyes Queenstown night flights''

Jetstar wants to be able to fly into Queenstown at night.

The budget airline is working towards certification to allow it to carry out night landings in Queenstown, as new runway lights are being installed at the airport.

Jetstar Head of Corporate Relations Simon Westaway said this would open up new flight opportunities including late afternoon and other times where in the past services have been unable to operate.

Westaway said safety remains the airline's number one priority.



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19114 times:

Well, you hope safety is Jetstar's number one priority. AirNZ has said that they do not like the idea of night time operation into Queenstown. This story made it on to Radio New Zealand news bulletin. In the RNZ bulletin, it was said that Jetstar would be using GPS as an approach aid, rather than RNP. (RNZ said "satellite" so I think they meant GPS)

I am wondering where Qantas mainline stands on night time operation into Queenstown - would they agree with Jetstar or with Air NZ?

I can see the marketing logic of wanting to operate flights that might leave SYD at 1730 on a Friday and get into ZQN just before midnight and allow people a full weekend on the ski fields.

I suppose if Jetstar persuade CASA that this will be a safe operation that will give some comfort.


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19027 times:

Quote:
joelyboy911

Because it costs next to nothing to establish and makes it easier for New Zealanders to book Jet Airways flights - in English and pay in $NZD. I'm sure lots of airlines have the same thing

I checked out several different routes operated by 9W, and every single price was quoted in the currency of the country of departure, not NZD. As for the I'm sure lots of airlines have the same thing ...

I randomly selected 6 airlines from my favourites, which turned out to be CA, AC, TP, SU, JJ and SA

CA, TP, SU and JJ did not have a New Zealand website

AC had New Zealand as a selection in its country selections, but it gets re-directed to the Canadian website,

SA was the only one that did, and it has codeshare links into New Zealand, unlike 9W


User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18638 times:

''Team Bio-fuel: Qantas, Virgin, Air NZ''


Aviation big players Qantas, Virgin Australia and Air New Zealand have teamed up to work towards reducing carbon emissions by up to 17 percent by 2030.

Speaking on a panel at the launch of the Flight Path to Sustainable Aviation report, aviation leaders told media that New Zealand and Australia’s rare geography makes it a viable candidate to create a sustainable aviation industry.

http://www.etravelblackboard.com/art...team-bio-fuel-qantas-virgin-air-nz



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinejoelyboy911 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18606 times:

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 3):
I checked out several different routes operated by 9W, and every single price was quoted in the currency of the country of departure, not NZD. As for the I'm sure lots of airlines have the same thing ...

I randomly selected 6 airlines from my favourites, which turned out to be CA, AC, TP, SU, JJ and SA

CA, TP, SU and JJ did not have a New Zealand website

AC had New Zealand as a selection in its country selections, but it gets re-directed to the Canadian website,

SA was the only one that did, and it has codeshare links into New Zealand, unlike 9W

Okay, fair enough. The salient point was that it costs next to nothing to establish it, and if it helps them gain New Zealand customers, or if they ever decide to provide service to New Zealand (not totally unthinkable for 9W), it will have been worthwhile. I'm sure it's easier to put these sorts of things in when the website is being made than to add them later.



Flown: NZ, NY, SJ, QF, UA, AC, EI, BE, TP, AF
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18369 times:

Air NZ Northern Winter 2011/2012 Timetable (DJ/NZ Transtasman)
Comments by Bruce Parton 24th May on www.ourairnz.co.nz

AKL-PER
The 8th flight will be on Sunday with an early morning departure and a late evening return. Operates Dec 2011 to Jan 2012. The other seven Daily at current timings.

AKL-ADL
Daily at the current timings.

AKL-MEL
Daily at 0630, 0830, 1530. Also 1730 on some days.

PA515


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18290 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 6):
AKL-MEL
Daily at 0630, 0830, 1530. Also 1730 on some days.

I wonder what is happening to the 1930 AKL-MEL service, thankfully I'm booked on it before the meger. Don't think I would be slightly impressed to be put on rubbishyblue.


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18154 times:

I wonder what the demand would be for an overnight Australia- New Zealand flight. Say leaving MEL at Midnight, and arriving AKL at 6.30am?

This would enable connections to japan flights and other pacific island morning departures (VLI etc). It would also enable pax to enjoy a full day in Melbourne including dinner before heading out to the airport for the flight, which being late would be easy to sleep on. They would arrive in AKL and have a full day ahead of them for business or whatever. I wonder as this is quite a gap in the market, and all at a time when the shorthaul aircraft are doing nothing (Midnight- 6am), so a very low opportunity cost of capital, just the operating costs of the flight.

Do you think there would be demand for say an a320? It would be the only airline competing in this market / time, I don't see it as inconcievable that it could work.

Or am I wrong- is demand just too low? I note that Jetstar has JQ989 overnight from PER-SYD. and VBA has similar. So if it can work for Australia transcon, then why not the tasman?

[Edited 2011-05-26 18:51:01]

User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18097 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 8):
I wonder what the demand would be for an overnight Australia- New Zealand flight. Say leaving MEL at Midnight, and arriving AKL at 6.30am?

This would enable connections to japan flights and other pacific island morning departures (VLI etc). It would also enable pax to enjoy a full day in Melbourne including dinner before heading out to the airport for the flight, which being late would be easy to sleep on. They would arrive in AKL and have a full day ahead of them for business or whatever. I wonder as this is quite a gap in the market, and all at a time when the shorthaul aircraft are doing nothing (Midnight- 6am), so a very low opportunity cost of capital, just the operating costs of the flight.

Do you think there would be demand for say an a320? It would be the only airline competing in this market / time, I don't see it as inconcievable that it could work.

Jetstar are currently flying MEL-AKL twice a week at the below mentioned time, I see it noted as only starting on the 27/03.

JQ215 27/03/11 29/10/11 1&5 MEL AKL 320 2340 0500+1

My cousin & his family flew this on Monday night (3 of them), each had a set of 3 seats to lie down on, as best you can. I haven't been a work for the last 2 weeks to see what the PAX numbers look like.

I'd agree that being able to stay later would suit some people, possibly sport teams & supporters rather than staying an extra night.

I'd prefer give up 6 hours in MEL & still take one of the mid PM flights back to AKL, get a few hours sleep in my own bed & have a decent go at the next day.


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18000 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 6):
AKL-PER
The 8th flight will be on Sunday with an early morning departure and a late evening return. Operates Dec 2011 to Jan 2012. The other seven Daily at current timings.

AKL-ADL
Daily at the current timings



Both AKL-PER and AKL- ADL are seeing ad hoc cancellations between Jul and Sep. PER is reduced to x5 on certain weeks and ADL is down to x4 at times too. The x8 summer season to PER is very short, late Dec to mid Jan.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 6):
AKL-MEL
Daily at 0630, 0830, 1530. Also 1730 on some days.



Is the 0630 the DJ flight?

Quoting timb777 (Reply 8):
I wonder what the demand would be for an overnight Australia- New Zealand flight



Has been done previously by Air NZ, BNE-WLG for a couple of years. Arrived 0600. Not pleasant.



It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17979 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 9):
Jetstar are currently flying MEL-AKL twice a week at the below mentioned time, I see it noted as only starting on the 27/03.

JQ215 27/03/11 29/10/11 1&5 MEL AKL 320 2340 0500+1

My cousin & his family flew this on Monday night (3 of them), each had a set of 3 seats to lie down on, as best you can. I haven't been a work for the last 2 weeks to see what the PAX numbers look like.


Interesting, I didn't realise that JQ had this flight. Obviouisly they can see a market, it will be interesting to see if it remains. 3 seats each? Didn't realise JQ was offering a lie flat sleeper service!!

Maybe such a flight on NZ would be more viable now due to the Virgin tie up as it could take feed from early evening Virgin flights from all sorts of secondary airports, providing the only flight accross the ditch for many markets without leaving too early in the day.

I personally usually take NZ124 if i'm flying from MEL-AKL, but it is really quite a waste of time considering you have to be at MEL for check in not long after 9am, then by the time I connect in AKL to CHC its around 7pm before I get home. If NZ started such a flight I would definately try it. It would be great if it was operated by a lie flat equiped widebody, but I suspect it would be something much smaller to start off with.

Such overnight tasman flights enable the traveller to use the 2 hour West-East time difference to their advantage. Rather than having two hours of daylight stolen by the time grinch, they can arrive at the respecable hour of 5/6am as opposed to 4am thanks to the time change.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
Has been done previously by Air NZ, BNE-WLG for a couple of years. Arrived 0600. Not pleasant.

Interesting thanks. Its unfortunate to hear that there will be no NZ WLG-BNE routes soon, but i guess that it makes sense for DJ to operate to BNE seeing that QLD it is their base. Do you know why this flight stopped? Low demand on a primarily leisure route? Surely a SYD or MEL -AKL overnight would find much greater demand.


User currently offlinehornetfan From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17883 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 8):
I wonder what the demand would be for an overnight Australia- New Zealand flight. Say leaving MEL at Midnight, and arriving AKL at 6.30am?

I have flown the overnight flight from Perth on many occasions, in summer you leave around 7.30 local time and arrive in Auckland around 5am, effectively you lose a nights sleep, and it takes 2 or 3 days to get into a normal pattern again.

I would hate to think what a shorter flight would be like from the East Coast.

My father does connect through Auckland for flights to the USA, and timings could be much improved, and I am sure it would become popular and people from WA seem to like coming through NZ rather than Sydney.


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17870 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 11):
I personally usually take NZ124 if i'm flying from MEL-AKL, but it is really quite a waste of time considering you have to be at MEL for check in not long after 9am, then by the time I connect in AKL to CHC its around 7pm before I get home. If NZ started such a flight I would definately try it. It would be great if it was operated by a lie flat equiped widebody, but I suspect it would be something much smaller to start off with.

Well that's definitely your choice - most rational consumers would take the direct flight to CHC rather than going all the way to AKL. Don't forget that the main purpose of NZ124 is to get passengers into AKL early enough for the onward connecting flights to North America etc. I don't think I'd choose this type of flight - I'd rather depart on the usual 6pm flights to get home at midnight for an actual sleep in my own bed. But implementing the skycouch in the A320s would be an interesting move.. Though I doubt they'd be utilised much as capacity is generally matched by demand, thus having a select number of full planes than a whole lot of empty ones.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17815 times:

Quoting hornetfan (Reply 12):
I would hate to think what a shorter flight would be like from the East Coast.

Yes it wouldn't be ideal in terms of sleep, and most people would prefer to take day flights. But my point is that there is also likely to be a nieche market for an overnight flight, at a time when all the a320's are doing nothing. Also, I can't say that I got a good nights sleep before a 7.10am EK406 morning MEL departure. A couple hours prior to departure check in + taxi time to MEL + Shower + hotel check out all = getting up at a horrid hour. I can never get to sleep before 1am, so EK406 gave me no more sleep than I could get on an overnight Tasman flight...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Well that's definitely your choice - most rational consumers would take the direct flight to CHC rather than going all the way to AKL. Don't forget that the main purpose of NZ124 is to get passengers into AKL early enough for the onward connecting flights to North America etc.

Definately my choice, apart from the days when there is no 6pm flight to CHC. Currently there is only one flight (sunday) that leaves MEL for CHC before midday. Once the schedule returns post quake capacity cuts there is still 3 days lacking a MEL-CHC afternoon flight. I guess the DJ tie up will remedy this. On the days where no afternoon flight the AKL flight only adds 90 mins- 2 hours onto the NZ898 5.10pm CHC arrival, well worth it for PE / BP seating (for me). Don't get me wrong those 6pm departures are good, but make no mistake they are not daily. I take them where possible (2 out of my 6 Tasman trips last year were direct). BNE afternoon frequency is worse than MEL, I always take the 12.30 136 through AKL, days with a sole 9am flight are impossible direct when coming from the gold coast.

If I (and other NZ loyal CHC pax) took the latter AKL flight (NZ726 &728) we would arrive in AKL too late to make any connections to CHC, and thus would have to shell out for a night in AKL. A hypothetical overnight flight would remedy this for CHC pax by giving the option of a late departure from MEL (on days when only direct 9am option) and arriving into AKL to connect nicely with NZ303 arriving in CHC at 8.20am without the need for a hotel in AKL, or a premature departure from MEL. So I guess this hypothetical proposition by me would effectively create a realistic late afternoon / night departure option for WLG/CHC pax on days where no direct afternoon / evening flight exists without actually providing another direct flight. Admittedly the DJ/NZ tie up will fix much of the present problem, by ensuring that there is a morning and evening departure daily....


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17784 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 11):
Interesting thanks. Its unfortunate to hear that there will be no NZ WLG-BNE routes soon, but i guess that it makes sense for DJ to operate to BNE seeing that QLD it is their base. Do you know why this flight stopped? Low demand on a primarily leisure route? Surely a SYD or MEL -AKL overnight would find much greater demand.

Assume it was run as a BOC due aircraft availability (762) rather than being a demand driven departure time. The flight was one of three or four a week to BNE from WLG, all at different times! The BOC stopped prior to the 733 taking over many of NZ's TT services, at which point BNE went daily (kind of).



Quoting timb777 (Reply 14):
Yes it wouldn't be ideal in terms of sleep, and most people would prefer to take day flights. But my point is that there is also likely to be a niche market for an overnight flight, at a time when all the a320's are doing nothing. Also, I can't say that I got a good nights sleep before a 7.10am EK406 morning MEL departure. A couple hours prior to departure check in + taxi time to MEL + Shower + hotel check out all = getting up at a horrid hour. I can never get to sleep before 1am, so EK406 gave me no more sleep than I could get on an overnight Tasman flight...

The A320's already operate a fair amount of PI services during the wee hours. Suspect your OZ-NZ overnight market might be fairly limited while there's plenty of capacity available during more sociable hours.



It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17663 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 7):
Quoting PA515 (Reply 6):
AKL-MEL
Daily at 0630, 0830, 1530. Also 1730 on some days.

I wonder what is happening to the 1930 AKL-MEL service, thankfully I'm booked on it before the meger. Don't think I would be slightly impressed to be put on rubbishyblue.
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
Is the 0630 the DJ flight?

Probably DJ.

NZ's AKL-MEL are currently Daily 0730, ex Sa 1530 and Mo Fr 1930. The 0730 had to be later as NZ1 will arrive AKL 0715 and NZ5 0800, not enough time for pax to transit LAX to MEL or send a 77W to MEL. Don't know why the 1930 becomes 1730, unless he meant to say 1930.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
The x8 summer season to PER is very short, late Dec to mid Jan.

Bit of a let down. Hopefully this experiment will give them confidence to increase and vary the PER schedule year round.

Air NZ's 77W Seat Map for Economy Plus is now showing 44 seats even though the change is three months away.

PA515

[Edited 2011-05-27 09:13:20]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17648 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Could someone tell me what services will be on WLG-MEL in light of the DJ/NZ tie up? I've been trying to find it on the ourairnz page but having no luck so far.

User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17525 times:

Timb777. Overnights from the East Coast are ghastly from a customer perspective. They have been tried and invariably withdrawn. The option for making a connection via a hub like Sydney or Auckland becomes far more appealing.

There is a history of overnight services from the east coast. Overnight services have operated from Adelaide to Auckland or from Brisbane/Gold Coast to Christchurch. Also Qantas used to operate a Sunday night/monday morning flight from Melbourne to Wellington. It would leave Melbourne just before midnight and arrive at 6am or so.

I worked in a travel agency at the time this Melbourne service was in place. Qantas hosted my colleagues using this service. They were so exhasuted by the flight that the result was that my colleagues stopped selling this service unless they really had to. (It takes a lot to exhaust a group 20 something party girls, but Qantas somehow managed...)

The only East Coast destination where on overnight works seems to be Cairns. The flight is about 4 hours, so there is a chance for some proper rest on the plane.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17406 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 18):
Timb777. Overnights from the East Coast are ghastly from a customer perspective

I agree, I was just wanting see what you guys knew about the history / viability of such flights! Yes, most prefer the day flights, and thats fine because thats where 99% of the capacity is with the multitude of carriers offering day flights. I was just wondering if there was a big enough minority to justify an a320. Doesn't have to be popular, can be hated by the bulk of customers, it just has to be enough to fill this small plane. But, I guess that history shows that it doesn't work from what you say. The only change noww that could let it work is the DJ tie up, and whether that increaded feed could make it viable?


User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17354 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 18):
There is a history of overnight services from the east coast. Overnight services have operated from Adelaide to Auckland or from Brisbane/Gold Coast to Christchurch. Also Qantas used to operate a Sunday night/monday morning flight from Melbourne to Wellington. It would leave Melbourne just before midnight and arrive at 6am or so.

TravlllerPlus,

I have just found a 1975 NZ timetable which you would find fascinating:

MEL - AKL Dep 0045 Ar 0610 DC8 Wed
MEL - AKL " " " " 747 Sun QF

MEL - CHC Dep 0100 Ar 0615 DC10 MON & WED

Bet those flights were packed....not



Aircraft flown:F27,Viscount. EMB120, SAAB340, ATR70, 737-200.737-300,DC8, DC10,747-100,747-200,747-300,747-400, A320, A3
User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17330 times:

Quoting 767er (Reply 20):
Bet those flights were packed....not

744 Sounds a little too large.

Cargo? Is there much demand for overnight cargo carriage between Aust East coast - NZ?
If so, this could lower pax break even...


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17259 times:

In 1975 customers did not have much choice - they had to travel when the airlines scheduled the flights. AirNZ and Qantas pooled their flights in those days (before codesharing was invented).

In the days when both airlines had only 747s, sectors like CHC-MEL had one service a week by both airlines. So each airline sold the other airline's service. CHC-BNE only started in 1975.

One flight that some people might remember was when AirNZ decided to test the water for Trans Tasman single aisle flights and they scheduled a 737-200 on CHC-MEL. It was twice weekly, at about 2200, and returning as a red eye special. I do not know if a lot of people used the service. I think some BNE to DUD flights by K2000 operated as red eye specials, though that airline did not last very long.

Quoting timb777 (Reply 21):
Cargo? Is there much demand for overnight cargo carriage between Aust East coast - NZ?
If so, this could lower pax break even...

Freighters already are flying overnight cargo.


User currently offlineNZ5 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 17066 times:

Can someone please explain to me why this is:

I'm booked on an Air NZ flight from Brisbane to Auckland in a week, flying with 'The Works' but also Airpoints Gold Member so in the Prem Eco section. Original equipment was 777-200ER, however over the last couple of days it changed to 777-300ER, which I'm very happy about, however the ability to select my seat has now been removed. When I try it via the form on the home page for seat selection it says:

Quote:
Sorry, online seat requests are not available for this booking. Your seat(s) will be allocated at the airport before departure (when seat changes may also be requested).

And via the airpoints page it gives my seat as (T). Has this happened to anyone before?


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3011 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 17068 times:

Quoting NZ5 (Reply 23):

Quote:
Sorry, online seat requests are not available for this booking. Your seat(s) will be allocated at the airport before departure (when seat changes may also be requested).

And via the airpoints page it gives my seat as (T). Has this happened to anyone before?

Happens to me all the time on YVR-AKL. Apparently, once a certain percentage of seats are sold, on-line seat selection is shut down - in fact, you can't even get seat selection through the call centre. Very annoying if you're travelling with family and end up on a 744 with some upstairs and some down.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
25 Post contains links 777ER : Wonder if NZ could be interested in parking some aircraft (B744s?) at Alice Springs soon New Boneyard Planned For ASP (by planeguy727 May 28 2011 in C
26 nascarnut : Air NZ planning to run a 2nd 747-400 AKL-LAS on Sun 7th Aug and depart LAS on 11th Aug. 1st flight has been sold out. LAS spotters keep an eye out for
27 gasman : Is this a charter for someone? Doesn't seem to appear on the NZ website.
28 haggis73 : Grabaseat 5th Birthday Celebration, currently up on the top right hand corner of the Grabaseat page.
29 NZ107 : Grabaseat charter through grabaseat.co.nz.
30 Unclekoru : Thanks, thought that may be the case. When was this trial alangirvin? I Remember the 737-200's operating ZQN-CHC-"OZ"-ZQN but not a specific narrow b
31 Zkpilot : Correct except for the 747 part. NZ didn't get 747s til the 80's. Prior to this they had DC10s and IIRC DC8s
32 alangirvan : AirNZ's first 747 arrived in 81. The last flight by a DC-10 was 82. The first 767 arrived in 85. So there was three years when both QF and AirNZ had
33 DavidByrne : Are we not forgetting that NZ operated 737-200 flights over the Tasman for many, many years on the CHC-HBA run? These commenced in the 1980s (I remem
34 Post contains images nz2 : I know what you mean but I think all flights prior to DC-10/747 were single aisle
35 nz2 : Last week I went with the wife to MEL to try out PE seats on the 773. We had been on the open day tour a few months before so knew what was in store,
36 Post contains links haggis73 : NZ cancelling some ROT-SYD flights during June due to low PAX numbers. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10729265 I
37 A330NZ : I think this is quite possible. I believe they could use E190's on low profile routes, like HLZ-BNE, DUD-BNE and in this case ROT-SYD It would probab
38 aotearoa : Operating ROT without RNP capabilty would be a nightmare. The NZ A320 fleet uses RNP technology to operate to approach minima of 300ft above the runw
39 NZ107 : When does the new GPS technology get commissioned?
40 gasman : Just checked it out. I was vaguely interested in going. Intriguing that the trip is for six nights, yet the package only provides four nights accommo
41 aerokiwi : In a mildly shameful admission of childhood nerd-dom, I used to love flipping through those old NZ timetables. The route options provided for things
42 gasman : because you'd then be sleeping with your head almost in the aisle. Blow that for a laugh.
43 kiwiandrew : Don't forget that you spend two nights on board the aircraft.
44 Post contains images gasman : Ah yes.... it says 'return to Auckland 13th August" which must mean "arrive back in Auckland 13th August"
45 NZ107 : You're mistaken - the accommodation is correct being 4 nights. The whole point of this thing was to be 'all inclusive' in terms of accommodation and
46 aerorobnz : Me too. i don't like the whole package deal thing. It's about maximising yields in the designated space. It'd only be 3 abreast if it was as you stat
47 gasman : All valid. However I do have it on the highest authority that Air NZ keep a close eye on AKL-LAS, and are considering it as an "option". Certainly pa
48 kiwiandrew : DL have 4 abreast "reverse" herringbone in their 777s and I think CX do too. So if they can fit them in, NZ surely could too. ( Unless you are sugges
49 gasman : I am also guilty as charged on that one. The international ones were even better - they were as thick as a small paperback and listed connections to
50 kiwiandrew : I guess it takes a nerd to spot a nerd. I think the time has come for me to come out of the nerd closet as well... at one time, I used to work for th
51 timb777 : DL's 77L's herringbone window seats face away from the window in the same fashiion as NZ. CX Herringhone arrangement also faces away from window in t
52 aerokiwi : True, but a bit of a redesign of the cocoon would give you more head space privacy, no? Ha! So true - amazing compared to what the NZ site offers you
53 aerorobnz : DL is identical to AC which is identical to VS which means it's identical to NZ, baring a few minor cosmetic differences. CX first class has similar
54 Post contains links kiwiandrew : Apparently I was misinformed about DL, however, if you look at CX seatmaps on the 777W http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...NTL/whatonboard/ourflee
55 Post contains links PA515 : My favourite was the Domestic graphical timetable. All flights on an A4 size folded page. Used to get them from the sales reps in the Victoria Street
56 gasman : Don't think so..... you'd still lie there awake and watch strange knees floating by just centimetres from your face. I would anyway. I do miss the ab
57 Unclekoru : It was not unkown for the 737-200 to end up on TT sectors when things went wrong. As an aside, another CHC 737-200 Tasman service (kind of) was the s
58 767er : Remember them well. They used to have them at the Travel Centre on Lambton Quay in Wellington in the early 70s. I wishe II had kept them.
59 Post contains links xiaotung : This from yesterday's Dominion Post: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opin...84/Airlines-key-to-growing-economy It's been a while since last heard abou
60 NZ107 : So long that I've forgotten if any plane could reasonably service WLG direct from Asia without payload restrictions. EK don't have enough rights to s
61 xiaotung : I think they are counting on 787's. The article also mentioned Singapore. Also China Southern perhaps given their massive expansion in Australia/New
62 NZ107 : Well 787s are still quite some time away. I think JQ is the earliest of airlines receiving them with potential to start a WLG service. I wonder if th
63 sunrisevalley : This assumes that 787's will have a significantly superior field performance than current types. There is no reason to believe that this will be so.
64 joelyboy911 : WLG cannot grow at its' current location, not without enormous cost of land reclamation, not to mention the difficulties with the surrounding terrain
65 A330NZ : I'd say 250 is not enough to justify a service, as if flights are cheaper, or timing is more convenient through AKL, why would they go on the direct
66 Unclekoru : An extension to the South is part of the current masterplan. The proposed extension would allow for a 2500m runway. Further strip improvements are al
67 aklrno : The Tropicana is on the strip, corner of Tropicana Blvd and Las Vegas Blvd South (aka the strip). Other 4 corners are MGM Grand, NewYork New York, an
68 nascarnut : Next 747-400 is getting ready to leave NZ shores. ZK-SUJ is currently sitting next to the main hanger minus Air NZ titles. Koru still on the tail but
69 nascarnut : The AKL-LAS is just a another promotional gimmick that Air NZ is using to sell seats on aircraft that are otherwise sitting around. They have recentl
70 NZ107 : Just thinking about streamlining more than anything though.. But yes, WN wouldn't be a bad choice at all. Good promotions too!
71 nascarnut : The promotions work well. The typically sell out fast and get tremendous feedback. Last year they had an auction where you could fly to all 26 destin
72 aerokiwi : They may be reasons, but evidently there are solutions, as kiwiandrew points out with CX. Just curious as to the thinking behind NZ's decision to go
73 aotearoa : The Newlands ridge issue has been a longstanding one for WLG airport's RWY 34 operations. Air New Zealand is implementing a brand spanking new RNP de
74 Unclekoru : Ah yes, had heard something special was on the way for the bus fleet, although was lead to believe it reduced the RTOW not eliminated it. Very impres
75 Post contains links 777ER : WIALs 2030 master plan involves a possible 600m runway extension with Evans Bay (100m) as well as into Cook Strait (500m) by 2020 (pg 46 in link belo
76 zkojh : so more backward planning... ''Air NZ cancels Rotorua to Sydney flights'' Air New Zealand has been forced to cancel up to seven flights between Sydney
77 cchan : Seen that on NZ80 on 31 May, a lot better than the previous version.
78 aotearoa : Actually the procedure does not entirely achieve MTOW, however MTOW is very rarely reached on the A320 ex NZ due to the difference between MTOW and M
79 777ER : Would the MTOW increase at WLG enable NZ to follow with their promise to the ACCC to sell fares on the same level as AKL and CHC, or is the increase
80 nascarnut : Timings for the extra Perth flight over the December/January timeframe NZ177 ETD AKL 0655 ETA PER 0930 NZ178 ETD PER 1040 ETA AKL 2205 Operates on Sun
81 nascarnut : The 1730 flight operates on days 3/4/5/7 only. Aircraft overnights in MEL Flt898. It then operates MEL-CHC @ 0745 on day 1 and MEL-AKL @ 0745 on days
82 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...193/Who-will-Fonterras-new-boss-be This article reveals Rob Fyfe was a contender for the top job at Fonterra bu
83 kiwiandrew : If that turns out to be true it should make a certain Gold Coast based poster very happy.
84 xiaotung : No, he had apologised to Rob and NZ after an unpleasant journey with the QF group and would take NZ flights only whatever they do. It's a shame becau
85 Post contains links NZ107 : Adding to this WLG thread... http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/busines...ffer-lack-direct-air-link-cw-94676 It says that the 77L is capable of taking off
86 nz2 : True that you dont spend much time looking out the windows, but certainly its a benefit for the landings. Last time into LAX we landed from the east
87 TravellerPlus : I guess its a matter of perspective on what constitutes something to look at. On such flights seen the earth's wedge-shaped shadow in front of us as
88 sunrisevalley : Not that much bigger than the 789 that NZ plans to operate. The tables suggest that the the TOW would be limited to ~282t out of WLG which would allo
89 NZ107 : I meant big as in terms of capacity for WLG. I really don't see NZ utilising the 789 out of WLG.. But the question might be when will they look to or
90 sunrisevalley : In the context of WLG there is nothing to suggest at this time that a 788 could haul a worthwhile payload out of WLG for 5000nm.
91 sunrisevalley : In what typical speed range are takeoff winds at WLG. ?
92 Post contains images zkpilot : somewhere between hurricane force and gale force on any given day
93 timb777 : Does anyone know why there was an NZ 767, 777 and 747 on the apron outside the antarctic division at CHC for a short period last night? (all gone now)
94 aerorobnz : Was a charter operation for a gathering in CHC. There was also a 733 ex PMR and a A320 ex WLG chartered but you may not have noticed them as they're
95 axio : Two more extra PMR - CHC flights tonight, NZ1915 and NZ1917 leaving PMR at 2000 and 2030 respectively.
96 joelyboy911 : Are these on 733, or extra turboprop flights to the schedule? Will go down to look if there are jets present!
97 timb777 : Cheers guys, do you know what all these charters are for, i.e. what the gathering was? Seems odd to have so much PMR originating traffic!
98 joelyboy911 : I don't know for sure, but one time previously there was a lot of chartered capacity out of PMR (Airwork 732, among others) there was a Brethren conv
99 aerorobnz : Yes it's Brethren... They were 733 down to CHC... I would expect the same again.
100 NZCH : I can confirm, the charters are for the Bretheren. I work for Air NZ here in chch,
101 motorhussy : Anyone shed any light on why NZ doesn't codeshare with SK from HKG, PVG, LAX etc? Just appears to me to be a good way to encourage more Teutonic touri
102 kiwiandrew : Possibly because SK don't fly to LAX or HKG ( in fact, I don't think that they currently fly to PVG either) . Also, I am sure that most Scandinavians
103 cchan : Further to the discussion in the previous thread: if my understanding is correct, CX 343s will be replaced by A350-900 which they have ordered, so AK
104 Post contains images HLZCPH : You are certainly right about that kiwiandrew! My Danish wife agrees too. In the past we have connected with SK at NRT, another possible SK link up w
105 motorhussy : Fair cop, then why not via PEK, NRT and BKK (yes I know NZ don't fly there with their own metal). Re: Teutons. Germanic tribe. One of their homelands
106 aerorobnz : They may not have codeshares but there are/were fares available on NZ/SK arrangements... I remember there was a fare that I sold a few of back when I
107 HLZCPH : Yes, we stayed overnight at a nearby NRT hotel and got a dayroom (big wardrobe!) at the terminal on the return. All worked out quite well as I rememb
108 aerorobnz : Yes. The aircraft are completely stripped of interior fittings before they leave NZ - as you would expect.
109 timb777 : What happens to the J seats once removed? Could we see a few pop up on trade me as novelty auctions? Or does the virgin licensing arrangement stipula
110 HLZCPH : I think I read on here in the past that no selling off to the public is allowed. So there is a warehouse slowly filling up (as the 744's leave) with
111 zkpilot : probably re-upholstered and sent to Boeing to fit out on the new 77W...or used to swap out faulty ones on 77E
112 Post contains images ZKSUJ : What about the 744 PE or Y seats? Would they be up for auction or sale? Would be cool to have a couple in the house
113 MillwallSean : The big Scandinavian carrier to Australia and NZ is the Scandinavian favourite TG. TG even has Swedish speaking customer service reps in Australia. E
114 HLZCPH : Yes, I should've mentioned "via FRA" Interesting info about the business links.
115 ZKNCL : I'm a bit lost. Can anyone tell me the status of all the 747-400's and when their retirement is due? ZKNCL
116 aerorobnz : NBT,NBV,NBW,NBU still in active if sporadic service to SFO/YVR and very occasional upgauging transtasman. SUH will be gone by the middle of this mont
117 zkojh : Air New Zealand NW11 Trans-Tasman initial changes... As per the GDS timetable display, Air New Zealand is gradually adjusting planned Trans-Tasman ope
118 nascarnut : DJ schedule WLG-BNE effective Oct 31st DJ 067 WLG0700 - BNE0750 D DJ 069 WLG1600 - BNE1600 D DJ 066 BNE0845 - WLG1510 D DJ 068 BNE1745 - WLG0010+1 D
119 nascarnut : DJ to offer following WLG-SYD service in conjunction with Air NZ DJ 056 SYD1000 - WLG1520 73H 1357 DJ 057 WLG1615 - SYD1750 73H 1357 Total of 17 join
120 PA515 : I understood SUJ was being returned to ILFC this month and last year SUH was purchased from ILFC to be used beyond Mar 2012 with NBV. Has there been
121 nascarnut : I can confirm that ZK-SUJ is currently sitting outside the hanger minus the Air NZ titles and the Koru missing off most of the tail.
122 Post contains images HLZCPH : Yes, I understood that too. I think it came from NZ1 a while back Unless SUH is to remain with Air NZ as a pax/BCF QC!
123 aerorobnz : that is correct. SUH is still in the good pile. SUJ is empty and ready to go. the 5 is minus SUJ already, was a tired typo...lol Gone by next week to
124 Kaiarahi : I know that the 77W Y+ seats will be "fixed" beginning in August, but does anyone know what's happening with the other hyped 77W innovations that were
125 Post contains links zkojh : ''Air NZ won't make money in six months to June, Fyfe says'' Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe said the airline "won't make money" in the six m
126 koruman : My parents are both around 5 foot 8 tall and 78 kg, and I was surprised that when they flew the day flight LHR-LAX last week they actually rated the
127 Post contains links NZ107 : Emergency landing at AKL NZ 175 (763) apparently had something wrong with one of its engines and returned to AKL.. Great media once again showing a 77
128 Aflyingkiwi : Any idea which reg it was? Regards, aflyingkiwi
129 haggis73 : ZK-NCJ. NZ175 now due to depart at 0100 10/06, which will probably be ZK-NCG when it returns from SYD as NZ108.[Edited 2011-06-08 22:52:20]
130 Post contains images haggis73 : Just looking through the advance roster at work today & found NZ 6392 30/06 0015 LAX/TLV 744 which I'm picking is SUJ, also found NZ 6041 29/06 11
131 kiwiandrew : I think VA showed that the 777 is not going to work on MEL-JNB , at least not while CASA still requires twins to make a big dogleg out of the way add
132 aerorobnz : I suspect it will be NBU. I believe that is the next one to go after SUJ.
133 NZ1 : SUJ and NBW go first. NBT and NBU leave next March, leaving NBV and SUH in the fleet for the forseeable future. NZ1
134 Post contains links Aflyingkiwi : For everyone's info there was another emergency landing last night. http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=198361 Air New Zealand's deali
135 PA515 : NBV will probably go AKL-XMN on 29 Jun, then XMN-NRT about five weeks later to swap with NBW at NRT. Last year SUH, NBU and SUI had 'D' Checks at XMN
136 PA515 : The 'Fleet' page disappeared from the Air NZ website about a week ago. I thought maybe they were just updating it but nothing since. Also, there used
137 Post contains links darenw : Its still there, just been moved http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/about-air-new-zealand
138 PA515 : Thanks. PA515
139 777ER : The new route map certainly is a nice upgrade over the previous one. Interesting to see the connections on offer from PPQ - only LAX, SFO, YVR, Calga
140 zkpilot : It could do with some updating... aircraft are missing from Aircraft Stats, and a few other things... looks like it hasn't been changed since the A38
141 pilotdude09 : Dunno if it has been mentioned already but the new 177/178 flights AKL-PER-AKL NZ177 AKL0655 – 0930PER 763 NZ178 PER1040 – 2205AKL 763 It's nice h
142 timb777 : It will be a very sad day come next March to see the flagship NBT leave. I shall be most upset.
143 Post contains links KiwiRob : They do but they don't service Kiwi's living in Norway, whenever I've contacted them I've been referred to London or the Hague. There are always spec
144 aerorobnz : Any earlier and it won't connect ex NZ7/NZ1 SFO/LAX either - which one could argue is where the connection would be preferred anyway. It's about util
145 alangirvan : I thought people in WA flew to the USA via Asia.
146 Post contains links Aflyingkiwi : Ash cloud may affect New Zealand flights. http://www.3news.co.nz/Ash-cloud-may.../423/articleID/214733/Default.aspx Volcanic ash from the CordónCaull
147 Post contains links zkojh : ''Airlines get set for Cup take-off'' With 3 months to go lets get underway for the RWC. Air New Zealand will fly thousands of extra passengers around
148 sunrisevalley : SX1899 did up a flight plan for a 77L PER-LHR which showed a block time of close to 19hrs with a track distance of 8108nm. This is about 8700nm ESAD.
149 gemuser : Not really much of an issue as PER-JNB only requires a minor detour to stay ETOPS180. AKL-JNB on the other hand!!! If NZ tried to "cut the corner" on
150 sunrisevalley : the thing that interests me is that the committee set up to study this whole EDTO matter was a joint CASA/ NZCAA group intended to come up with a joi
151 kiwiandrew : I am sure I read that SA have indicated their intention to operate their A330-200s on this route during the low season, and aren't MK already operati
152 sunrisevalley : Interesting. So far as SA is concerned I don't know if they have an EDTO standard greater than 180-min. If they do CASA would have to agree . It requ
153 DavidByrne : Presumably any operator that plans or wants to operate the route will just keep within ETOPS-180 given that it's a small diversion only, and avoid ta
154 gemuser : Exactly! Which is why I am very surprised that VA didn't operate MEL-PER-JNB, very small route diversion and still the very best option from MEL, an
155 aerokiwi : Ugh! Well got bumped off Jetstar today care of the ash cloud. Was left hanging like everyone else and joined in on the mad rush to buy tickets with NZ
156 aotearoa : Jetstar don't need CAANZ permission for anything! They operate in New Zealand under their CASA issued Australian Air Operators Certificate (AOC). Thi
157 NZ107 : So in other words, CASA could have had a blanket grounding over planes flying to/from the South Island or something to that effect due to the ashclou
158 PA515 : From North America it only connects with SFO arriving at 0500. From LAX NZ1 arrives 0715 and NZ5 0800. This extra PER flight appears to be for AKL O/
159 A330NZ : There's an alert on the CHC website, There has been a rather large aftershock and the terminals and runways are being assessed and you should expect s
160 texan : Completely the airline's decision in NZ. This has nothing to do with the CAA. 5.5 initial followed by another aftershock 9 minutes later. Texan
161 A330NZ : I know. My sister was driving me home from the bus stop and we nearly crashed! Anyway, inspections have been completed and operations are continuing
162 texan : Good to hear everything is operating normally and you all are ok. We're rocking and rolling in Welly right this second. Texan edit: lasted about 15-2
163 texan : Big quake in Chch just seconds ago. We felt it as a 4+ here in Wellington. Texan
164 Post contains links Aflyingkiwi : Well according to the thread below, David Hasselhoff is going to do a commercial for NZ. David Hasselhoff To Do Commercial For Air NZ.? (by Mortyman J
165 aerokiwi : Thanks for that - I thought it was a dubious excuse. Though rebooking and heading down on the NZ 737 made me realise how much I like NZ's 733 cabin.
166 Post contains links NZ5 : Well the 767s are beginning to get their pacific waves removed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsj8A2LfifQ ZK-NCI was just in Hong Kong so I assume it
167 NZ107 : Oh no. More bare planes. Disastrous boring white planes with no replacement livery in sight that we know of.
168 NZ747 : ZK-NBT has been operating flights between AKL-NAN-AKL and NAN-SYD-NAN for Air Pacific due to FJ744 DQ-FJL becoming U/S in AKL on Saturday...
169 xiaotung : Exactly. What's more bizarre is the Air New Zealand font on the plane is still the old logo where the N and the Z are bigger. I have not seen a weste
170 zkojh : the font on the front of the a/c suck if anything just do something to that its so Boring now! shame.
171 Post contains links A330NZ : http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/news/airline-routes-0608 If you scroll down, you will find that SK is launching a service from CPH-PVG, 5 weekly
172 xiaotung : SK997 CPH1825 – 1135+1PVG 343 x13 NZ288 PVG1415 - 0530+1AKL 772 1256 NZ289 AKL2345 - 0710+1PVG 772 1457 SK998 PVG1425 – 1845CPH 343 x24 Connection
173 Post contains links aerorobnz : http://nz.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news...8/dc3-to-help-stranded-passengers/ Fly on a Dakota from CHC-WLG for $380. Hell I'd be keen for just a return jo
174 zkncj : Yea when you think how much they charge to fly around auckland in one!
175 A330NZ : Ash cloud has forced all airlines to cancel flights to/from IVC, DUD, ZQN, WKA, HKK
176 aerorobnz : SQ diverted to AKL. 9V-SQI sitting at Layover 83.
177 timb777 : Does anyone know what's operating QF7530, a CHC-SYD flight at 4.50am tomorrow. Maybe a wide body to clear the backlog?
178 aerorobnz : It's the QF 76F that is usually scheduled.
179 timb777 : Ha, never knew that flight existed. I guess its at such an hour that I would never see it. On a related note, once QF do start flying again it will b
180 NZ6 : Yes why would you clear the backlog at 4.50am? I don't know if there much of a backlog considered the time they've been grounded. NZ has picked up a
181 aerorobnz : as of 0900 this morning I believe QF have been operating. No plans to my knowledge - maybe an upgauge for existing flights but i dare say their Austr
182 timb777 : I somewhat differ on this To a very limited extent, as they have only been able to do so where they have excess capacity to fill themselves. NZ has b
183 NZ6 : I'm not in the country but I've just spoken to a colleague and he has confirmed that there are still a "lot" of passengers "stranded" (I don't like t
184 avrich : They have. Mainly business people and pax with longhaul connections who cannot afford to wait. Don't forget anyone booking at the last minute is like
185 NZ6 : This will be interesting to see, 10% more fuel and loads at 100% with many told at high yield levels. I wouldn't go as far as calling this a publicit
186 nascarnut : Rotal Netherlands Airforce DC-10-30CF T-255 just landed in Auckland. Parked on layover stand. Hope it is still here tomorrow to get some pictures duri
187 NZ107 : Layover stand with a picture opportunity (no poles) from the International lookout or domestic carpark?
188 v2fix : Not reported on the forum (as far as I can see) but on an interview with RF on Bloomberg it was revealed that Air New Zealand has decided NOT to licen
189 aerorobnz : Definitely long enough to get a photo...
190 joelyboy911 : That is certainly interesting. Were the Premium Economy "SpaceSeats" mentioned at all? If I recall correctly they were intended to generate licence i
191 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Enjoy: Royal Netherlands Air Force DC-10-30 by ANZ787900, on Flickr Good to see a change in scenery of type and operator!
192 LondonCity : But does that mean Cuddle Class is more profitable than standard economy class ? After all, NZ is selling Cuddle Class (three seats) at a discount on
193 cchan : I would think the Cuddle Class seats are sold on the cost of other passengers having to put up with 3-4-3. They do generate at least a comparable pro
194 joelyboy911 : What is the reason for this magnificent aircraft's visit? But is a seat, unoccupied, half paid for, more profitable, or less, once you take into acco
195 Post contains links NZ1 : Please continue discussion here: New Zealand Aviation Thread #97 (by NZ1 Jun 18 2011 in Civil Aviation) NZ1
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