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Iberia To Start Madrid-Luanda  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

(IAG) Iberia is to start MAD-LAD twice weekly from the 29th September.

http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=30687

The schedule:

IB6321 MAD 0020 - 0655 LAD Mon, Fri 343 (7h35min)
IB6322 LAD 2240 - 0725 MAD Mon, Fri 343 (7h45min)

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...eria-to-launch-angola-service.html

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User currently offlineairindia787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

So the plane pretty much spends all day in LAD. I don't know if slots are an issue or if AC scheduling warrants these timings, but perhaps it would be better for one of the legs to operate during the daytime to minimize the time the aircraft spends on the ground.

User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2742 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

I thought their A340's are all very very busy in LatAm, and that IB is short on longhaul a/c. The first A330's won't arrive until 2012, so I'm surprised they can free up an A343 like that.

In any case, it's a good move. IB needs to open up more routes in Africa, as there is little competition and MAD is ideally placed to become oneworld's Africa gateway. Many routes in Western Africa can be served with A320family a/c, which is an advantage over other carriers when opening new or thin routes. And the rest of Africa can make for good A333 routes, when they start to arrive in IB's fleet net year.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19245 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Quoting airindia787 (Reply 1):
So the plane pretty much spends all day in LAD. I don't know if slots are an issue or if AC scheduling warrants these timings, but perhaps it would be better for one of the legs to operate during the daytime to minimize the time the aircraft spends on the ground.

It is done because of:

1) Crewing - the crews arrive early morning, sleep/rest, then depart late evening, like other airlines at LAD; and
2) Connections.



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User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 2):
I thought their A340's are all very very busy in LatAm, and that IB is short on longhaul a/c. The first A330's won't arrive until 2012, so I'm surprised they can free up an A343 like that.

In any case, it's a good move. IB needs to open up more routes in Africa, as there is little competition and MAD is ideally placed to become oneworld's Africa gateway. Many routes in Western Africa can be served with A320family a/c, which is an advantage over other carriers when opening new or thin routes. And the rest of Africa can make for good A333 routes, when they start to arrive in IB's fleet net year.

Well I think they brought back some of their leased 343's that had been parked during the past two years, which has helped boost capacity in the short-term. Likewise, the frequency reduction in some routes during the winter season (JFK for instance goes down to 14w from 17w) frees up slots. It's only a 2w frequency so it's not that difficult to find spare aircraft.

As an aside, Accra is being rumoured to be starting pretty soon after the bi-lateral has been revised. Other potential African destinations that could be opened with the revamped 319s (which have a decent premium offering) might include Gambia, Mauritania or Ivory Coast (if the situation stabilises at some point).


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Very good news indeed... And IB has timed well it schedule to Accra... Now a OneWorld traveller can reach Luanda on days 12--56- with BA and IB.

Would there be a code share with BA?

Quoting Talaier (Reply 4):
As an aside, Accra is being rumoured to be starting pretty soon after the bi-lateral has been revised. Other potential African destinations that could be opened with the revamped 319s (which have a decent premium offering) might include Gambia, Mauritania or Ivory Coast (if the situation stabilises at some point).

IB could look into serving Abidjan, Accra, Bamako,Banjul, Nouakchott, Ouagadougou, Freetown, Pointe Noire and Monrovia in cooperation with BA thus providing an alternative to Star and Skyteam. The use of A319s would be a good idea to start with.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
IB could look into serving Abidjan, Accra, Bamako,Banjul, Nouakchott, Ouagadougou, Freetown, Pointe Noire and Monrovia in cooperation with BA thus providing an alternative to Star and Skyteam. The use of A319s would be a good idea to start with.

Would Iberia be a viable competitor in these markets up against Air France and Brussels, given the relative lack of historical / economic / political / cultural connections versus France and Belgium?

I agree that, geographically, Madrid would seem to be fairly well-situated to handle connections to/from western Africa from much of western Europe, plus North America, but not sure if the flights would be economically sustainable?


User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
Very good news indeed... And IB has timed well it schedule to Accra... Now a OneWorld traveller can reach Luanda on days 12--56- with BA and IB.

Would there be a code share with BA?

Very likely since flights to JNB both on BA and IB are all codeshared now.

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
Would Iberia be a viable competitor in these markets up against Air France and Brussels, given the relative lack of historical / economic / political / cultural connections versus France and Belgium?

I agree that, geographically, Madrid would seem to be fairly well-situated to handle connections to/from western Africa from much of western Europe, plus North America, but not sure if the flights would be economically sustainable

Not in all of them of course, but I think a lot of the coastal cities are underserved from Europe and could do with a bit more capacity. Spain itself has increasing ties with Mauritania, Malia and other Saharian nations, partly due to the huge immigrant population Spain has received over the past few years.

I doubt IB will start serving all the ex-French colonies, but Ghana, Gambia and Ivory Coast all generate enough traffic to warrant a 2-3 weekly service.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

any chance they would increase the LOS flights? with this shitty arrivial time in MAD around 02:40am why they dont tag on PHC on the LOS flights, as per my understanding specially PHC is a high yield destination.


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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Everybody is trying to have as much frequencies as possible in and out of LAD, that market is booming.
The TAAG's European ban, including on factory fresh B777's further supports the European carriers...
Most airlines are limited to 2 per week at LAD.
LH operate 2, SN operate 2, I'm surprised LX and OS are not put online yet to add frequency.
BA is limited to 2 and wanted more, a logical move to have IB start up the route and connect most non LHR traffic.
TP seems to be an exception here with 12 weekly nonstops! Historical ties I guess.
AF still limited to 2 and not using KL on the route just yet.



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User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
any chance they would increase the LOS flights? with this shitty arrivial time in MAD around 02:40am why they dont tag on PHC on the LOS flights, as per my understanding specially PHC is a high yield destination.

Most of the traffic is O&D from Spain, so timing is not really an issue for connections. The problem with a tag-on to PHC is that, most likely, the crew would need to rest at some point (most likely in LOS) and that increases the overall cost - plus LOS is not a very safe destination anyways. MAD-LOS is roughly 5hrs so there and back is just about 12 hrs in total including the rotation in Lagos, which is just about as long as IB's longest flight to SCL. If they wanted a longer rotation the crew would need to sleep/rest somewhere.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1856 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

MAD has an excellent location to offer conexions to Europe and North-America...

IB network to France, Italy, Spain and Germany is excellent offering many destinations only with one stop and in a very friendly and easy airport like MAD T-4

IB has reconfigure some A319´s to offer a 2-2 layout on business to compete on longer routes with other airlines offering long haul planes like TLV, DME, LOS and I´m sure they will offer the same planes to other west Africa destinations...

Right now IB flies to NYC, BOS, MIA, LAX, ORD and seasonal to IAD, also codeshares across the atlantic with AA so they have endless connectivity out of MIA, JFK, ORD and DFW.

the biggest gap in IB network is Asia but I hope if they start getting a nice market share out of West Africa they will consider some Asian Destination, to offer not only WA to Asia but also South America to Asia.... I´m quite sure they can obtain a good daily load with the huge South America network and the future West Africa....

Also we have to consider the huge gap in One World network, without a big African partner.... *A has Ethiopian, SAA, Egyptair..... Skyteam has Kenya Airways...... So they really need to find a solution to that and IB could make a lot specially in West Africa....


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

This is possibly the first truly IAG route. Angola only allows 2 weekly frequencies for each European carrier and LAD is a market with very high yields and significant demand, from Europe. IAG/OneWorld have been losing to all other alliances in this market because only BA served it and therefore they only had 2 weekly frequencies. The exception of course is TP because of the close political/economic/historical ties between Angola and Portugal.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
1) Crewing - the crews arrive early morning, sleep/rest, then depart late evening, like other airlines at LAD; and
2) Connections.

In addition, like many north-south long haul routes, overnight is where the high yields are. Europe-S.Africa is a good example.


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