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OAG Changes 5/27/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA/US/VX  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

How to read:
-This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).
-This report uses total operations over a week, so non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. Daily service is generally rounded up to the next whole number, but if the service is one or two flights per day the report may show a decimal approximation of the service level. For example, 0.8 would mean five flights per week.
-The code listed is the marketing code. Clearly there are a lot of regional operators, but that is too complicated for this report.
-In most cases only one direction is shown with the hub service shown together.
-Changes are shown for each month separately. Since the report goes out 9 months, a change which is not shown for the full 9 months does not take place in the months not shown.
-Flights shown are intended to represent daily flights or fractions thereof.
-DL XXX-YYY 4>4 This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear. I will look to change the automation to eliminate these in the future, but as of now we will have to live with them.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Apparently JHL was a typo in 5T's filed schedule.
5T JHL-YEG JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.5>0 OCT 1.5>0 NOV 1.6>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.6>0
5T JHL-YKA JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.2>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0
5T JHL-YQT JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.2>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.1>0
5T JHL-YWG JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0
5T JHL-YXE JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.2>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0
5T JHL-YYC JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.1>0 SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0 JAN 0.1>0

I wonder if AA expects WN to add BNA-LGA?
*AA BNA-LGA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
AA DFW-CID DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
AA DFW-EWR SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
AA DFW-GJT SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AA DFW-GPT SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA DFW-LEX SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
AA DFW-LFT SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
AA DFW-LGA SEP 16>14 OCT 16>14 NOV 15>14
AA DFW-MLI SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3
AA DFW-PNS SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
AA DFW-SAF SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AA DFW-SAV SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AA DFW-SJT SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
AA DFW-SNA OCT 10>9
AA DFW-TRC AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>1.5
AA DFW-VPS SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
AA DFW-XNA SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9
AA GRB-MQT JUL 0.8>0.1 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0
AA JFK-EZE NOV 1.0>1.4
AA JFK-TPA SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6 NOV 1.0>0.7
...Easing off VX...
*AA LAX-DFW SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18
AA LAX-SAN SEP 11>9 OCT 11>9 NOV 11>10
AA LAX-SJD OCT 1.0>1.7 NOV 1.0>1.3
*AA LAX-SJU SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0.1
AA LGA-YYZ SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9
AA MIA-AUA SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.9 NOV 2>1.9
AA MIA-BOG SEP 2>1.4 OCT 2>1.5
AA MIA-CLO AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6 NOV 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-ELH AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.6
AA MIA-EYW SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
AA MIA-FPO SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA MIA-GGT AUG 1.3>1.1 SEP 1.3>0.6 OCT 1.3>0.6 NOV 1.3>0.9
...DL dropped the route...
*AA MIA-JAX SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
AA MIA-MHH AUG 1.3>1.1 SEP 1.3>0.7 OCT 1.3>0.7 NOV 1.3>1.0
AA MIA-NAS NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
AA MIA-SAP SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.9 NOV 2>1.9
AA MQT-TVC JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.2 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
AA ORD-CLT SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
AA ORD-DTW SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
AA ORD-EVV SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA ORD-EWR SEP 8>7 OCT 8>6 NOV 8>7
AA ORD-FNT SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
AA ORD-HSV SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
AA ORD-LGA SEP 17>16 OCT 17>15
AA ORD-LIT SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
AA ORD-MLI SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA ORD-MSY SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA ORD-PIT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 DEC 7>5 JAN 7>5
AA ORD-PSP OCT 0>1.0
AA ORD-RIC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
AA ORD-ROC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
AA ORD-SYR SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
AA ORD-TVC SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9
AA ORD-YOW SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
AA ORD-YUL SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5
AA ORD-YYZ SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
...Soon there will be little left...
*AA SJU-EIS SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
*AA SJU-FDF AUG 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
*AA SJU-PTP AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.2
*AA SJU-PUJ SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
*AA SJU-SDQ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3

AC MCO-YYZ JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3

AF EWR-CDG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
AF IAD-CDG NOV 2>1.7 DEC 2>1.7 JAN 2>1.7

AZ LAX-FCO JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0

BW JFK-POS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
BW MIA-POS JUL 1.2>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0

CO DEN-CLE OCT 1.0>2
CO DEN-HNL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
CO EWR-ATL SEP 7>5
CO EWR-BQN SEP 0.7>0.6
CO EWR-CLT SEP 6>4
CO EWR-CMH SEP 6>5
CO EWR-DTW JUL 5>4 SEP 6>4
CO EWR-IND SEP 6>4
CO EWR-JAX SEP 4>3
CO EWR-MSP SEP 6>4
CO EWR-MSY SEP 1.3>0.8
CO EWR-NRT JUN 1.0>0.8
CO EWR-PBI SEP 5>4
CO EWR-PIT SEP 7>5
CO EWR-RDU SEP 7>6
CO EWR-STL SEP 7>4
CO EWR-YUL SEP 6>5
...What is this? Is it going to UA for one month? Mistake? Could be an invalid aircraft type? Are they changing to a mixed freighter?...
*CO GUM-CNS SEP 0.6>0
*CO GUM-CTS SEP 0.3>0
*CO GUM-FUK SEP 1.0>0
*CO GUM-HIJ SEP 0.3>0
*CO GUM-HKG SEP 0.3>0
*CO GUM-KIJ SEP 0.3>0
*CO GUM-KIX AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>0
*CO GUM-MAJ SEP 0.1>0
*CO GUM-MNL AUG 1.3>1.2 SEP 1.3>0
*CO GUM-NAN SEP 0.2>0
*CO GUM-NGO AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>0
*CO GUM-NRT SEP 3>2
*CO GUM-OKJ SEP 0.3>0
*CO GUM-ROR SEP 0.9>0
*CO GUM-TKK SEP 0.6>0
*CO GUM-YAP SEP 0.3>0
*CO HNL-MAJ SEP 0.6>0
*CO HNL-NAN SEP 0.1>0
*CO HNL-SNA SEP 0.3>0.2
...To UA?...
*CO IAH-ABQ SEP 5>0.8
CO IAH-ATL SEP 9>7
CO IAH-BNA SEP 7>6
CO IAH-BZE SEP 0.9>0.7
CO IAH-CAE SEP 1.6>1.0
CO IAH-CLE SEP 6>7
CO IAH-CLT SEP 7>5
...To UA?...
*CO IAH-COS SEP 5>1.6
CO IAH-CVG SEP 5>4
CO IAH-DCA SEP 8>7
CO IAH-DFW SEP 9>6
CO IAH-DTW SEP 5>4
CO IAH-ELP SEP 6>5
CO IAH-MCI SEP 9>7
CO IAH-MKE SEP 5>4
CO IAH-MSP SEP 5>4
CO IAH-MTY SEP 9>8
CO IAH-OKC SEP 8>6
CO IAH-OMA SEP 6>4
CO IAH-ORF SEP 2>0.9
CO IAH-PIT SEP 5>4
CO IAH-PVR SEP 0.8>1.0
CO IAH-RDU SEP 5>4
CO IAH-SLC SEP 3>2
CO IAH-STL SEP 6>5
CO IAH-TUS AUG 0.9>0.6 SEP 4>0.8
CO IAH-YYZ AUG 1.3>1.0 SEP 4>0.9
*CO ROR-MNL SEP 0.3>0
*CO ROR-YAP SEP 0.1>0
CO SFO-HNL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

DE SJU-FRA JAN 0.1>0.3

DL ATL-MCI SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
DL ATL-NAS SEP 3>2
DL ATL-SBN OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3
DL BNA-MSP SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
...Is this some kind of signal to WN? Why fly it?...
*DL BWI-RDU SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
...more hacking...
*DL CVG-FLL SEP 2.0>1.2 OCT 2>1.0
*DL CVG-SBN SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
DL DAY-MSP SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
DL DTW-ALB SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
DL DTW-CHA SEP 2.0>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
DL DTW-DLH OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
DL DTW-FWA SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
DL DTW-GRB SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6
DL DTW-PIT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6
DL GRR-MSP NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
DL JFK-BUD JUL 1.0>0.9 AUG 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-CLE OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
*DL JFK-KBP JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0
DL JFK-TXL JUL 1.0>0.9 AUG 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-YHZ SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
DL LGA-BGR OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
...Not a good sign for DL's MIA plans...
*DL MIA-JAX SEP 4>0.7 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0 DEC 4>0 JAN 4>0
DL SLC-FAR SEP 2.0>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0
DL SLC-STL SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

EI AUS-ORD JAN 0>0.7
EI BOS-DUB NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0

F9 DEN-CUN DEC 1.0>1.2
F9 DEN-GEG OCT 3>2
F9 DEN-OMA SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
F9 DEN-PHX SEP 5>4 OCT 6>5
F9 DEN-TPA JAN 0.4>0.3
*F9 MKE-BOS OCT 4>3
*F9 MKE-CUN NOV 0.1>0
*F9 MKE-LGA OCT 4>3
...What is this????? For 2 months?...
*F9 OMA-PHX SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.7

FI IAD-KEF OCT 0.3>0.6 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.2

I9 ORD-KRK JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.2>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.2>0

K5 AST-PDX DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0
K5 BFI-PDX DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
K5 HRO-MCI DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7
K5 HRO-MEM DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7
K5 JBR-MCI DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9
K5 JBR-MEM DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7
K5 MCI-SLN DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
K5 ONP-PDX DEC 2>0 JAN 2>0
K5 ONP-SLE DEC 0>1.4 JAN 0>1.4
K5 PDX-SLE DEC 0>1.4 JAN 0>1.4

KL IAH-AMS JUL 1.9>1.7
KL LAX-AMS JUL 1.0>1.2

...MUC hub isn't doing real well, I'd say...
LH BOS-MUC NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8
LH CLT-MUC NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
LH IAD-MUC NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
LH LAX-MUC NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7

NK DTW-LGA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2

OK ATL-LAX NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
OK ATL-SEA NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
OK ATL-SFO NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0

SV IAD-RUH AUG 0.2>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3 OCT 0.1>0.3

SY DFW-CUN DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0>0.3
SY JFK-MSP SEP 0.5>1.3 OCT 0>1.3 NOV 0>1.3 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>0.9
SY LAN-CUN DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.4
SY LAN-MBJ JAN 0>0.2
SY LAN-PUJ JAN 0>0.1
SY LAX-MSP JAN 0>0.9
SY MSP-CUN DEC 0.1>0.5 JAN 0>1.0
SY MSP-CZM DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.3
SY MSP-MBJ JAN 0>0.3
SY MSP-PSP JAN 0>0.7
SY MSP-PUJ JAN 0>0.2
SY MSP-PVR DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0>0.5
SY MSP-SXM JAN 0>0.1
SY MSP-ZIH JAN 0>0.2

UA DEN-CLE SEP 1.8>1.0
UA DEN-LAS SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
UA DEN-PHX SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
UA DEN-SEA SEP 5>4
UA EWR-DEN SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>2
UA IAD-DTW SEP 4>3
UA IAD-EWR SEP 4>1.0
UA IAD-GCM SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.2>0
UA IAH-DEN SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
UA IAH-IAD SEP 5>3 OCT 5>3
UA LAS-PSP SEP 3>2
UA ORD-EWR SEP 8>7
UA ORD-PIT SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
UA ORD-YXU SEP 1.6>1.7

UP FLL-FPO SEP 1.7>1.4 OCT 1.7>1.3 NOV 1.7>1.4 JAN 1.7>1.4
UP FLL-NAS NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
UP MCO-NAS JAN 1.7>1.2
UP MIA-NAS NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4

US CLT-CDG DEC 0.8>0.5
US CLT-FCO DEC 0.8>0.5
US CLT-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-DUB NOV 0.8>1.0
US PHL-

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

US PHL-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-SMF OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-YOW SEP 3>4

...Schedule extension, anybody see anything changed?...
VX BOS-LAX NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9
VX BOS-SFO NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9
VX DFW-LAX NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
VX DFW-SFO NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
VX FLL-LAX NOV 0>2.0 DEC 0>3
VX FLL-SFO NOV 0>1.6 DEC 0>1.7
VX IAD-LAX NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
VX IAD-SFO NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4
VX JFK-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
VX JFK-LAX NOV 0>6 DEC 0>6 JAN 0>0.7
VX JFK-SFO NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4
VX LAS-SFO NOV 0>6 DEC 0>6 JAN 0>0.8
VX LAX-CUN NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>0.7
VX LAX-MCO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
VX LAX-ORD NOV 0>2.0 DEC 0>2
VX LAX-SEA NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
VX LAX-SFO OCT 6>7 NOV 0>7 DEC 0>7 JAN 0>0.9
VX MCO-SFO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
VX ORD-SFO NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
VX SAN-SFO NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4
VX SEA-SFO NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4
VX SFO-CUN NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5
VX SFO-SJD OCT 0.6>0.7 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>0.1

W3 QUO-ABV JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8
W3 QUO-LOS JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8

WS MSY-YYZ NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.6>0

Y4 LAX-AGU JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
Y4 LAX-GDL JUL 4>5
Y4 LAX-MLM JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.5>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.6>1.0
Y4 LAX-TLC JUL 0.6>0.9 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.5>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.5>1.0
Y4 LAX-ZCL JUL 0.4>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.7 SEP 0.4>0.7 OCT 0.4>0.7 NOV 0.5>0.7 DEC 0.4>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.7
Y4 MDW-GDL JUN 1.7>1.6 AUG 1.7>2 SEP 1.7>2 OCT 1.7>2 NOV 1.7>2 DEC 1.7>2 JAN 1.7>2
Y4 SJC-GDL JUL 1.5>1.8 AUG 1.4>1.8 SEP 1.4>1.9 OCT 1.5>1.9 NOV 1.4>1.8 DEC 1.4>1.9 JAN 1.5>1.9


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22682 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...MUC hub isn't doing real well, I'd say...

There's more to the hub than TATL. . .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I wonder if AA expects WN to add BNA-LGA?
*AA BNA-LGA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6

It could also be a M80/CR7 swap. Can you pull the equipment on that one?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 OMA-PHX SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.7

It is listed as E190. Actually starts in mid-August. It is not on F9.com or the route map. Was it announced? Why such a short-lived route? I presume it operates as a through from MKE. It competes with their own US branded service doesn't it?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...MUC hub isn't doing real well, I'd say...

There's more to the hub than TATL. . .

I meant transatlantically, of course.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
It could also be a M80/CR7 swap. Can you pull the equipment on that one?

It goes all CR7, but that doesn't mean it isn't a response. WN doesn't have enough slots to fly very many RTs.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2205 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...Soon there will be little left...
*AA SJU-EIS SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
*AA SJU-FDF AUG 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
*AA SJU-PTP AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.2
*AA SJU-PUJ SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
*AA SJU-SDQ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3

Are these seasonal cuts? Fall (hurricane season) is the weakest time of the year for Caribbean travel.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...Not a good sign for DL's MIA plans...
*DL MIA-JAX SEP 4>0.7 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0 DEC 4>0 JAN 4>0

Another dart thrown at the DL dartboard misses the mark......



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-EWR SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5

Oh com'on! Now you are just getting silly, AA!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-ATL SEP 7>5
CO EWR-BQN SEP 0.7>0.6
CO EWR-CLT SEP 6>4
CO EWR-CMH SEP 6>5
CO EWR-DTW JUL 5>4 SEP 6>4
CO EWR-IND SEP 6>4
CO EWR-JAX SEP 4>3
CO EWR-MSP SEP 6>4
CO EWR-MSY SEP 1.3>0.8
CO EWR-NRT JUN 1.0>0.8
CO EWR-PBI SEP 5>4
CO EWR-PIT SEP 7>5
CO EWR-RDU SEP 7>6
CO EWR-STL SEP 7>4
CO EWR-YUL SEP 6>5

Cuts at EWR? Interesting. Are these seasonal or change over to UA?

EDIT: These routes are all changing over from CO to 1-2 frequencies on UA's Shuttle America 170s. I think UA likes keeping them over at EWR.

[Edited 2011-05-25 09:40:32]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
Are these seasonal cuts?

Well, the dates they are in effect imply that, but it is not uncommon for AA to cancel a few months and then push the cancels further into the future at a later date.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
Another dart thrown at the DL dartboard misses the mark......

A fairly apt commentary. One wonders about MIA-LAX/LHR/TPA/MCO.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22682 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
It goes all CR7, but that doesn't mean it isn't a response. WN doesn't have enough slots to fly very many RTs.

Agreed - and that's really the problem for WN at LGA. If they had 40 or 50 slots, we'd see BNA-LGA, probably at 3-4x. But they don't have 40 or 50 slots, and I don't know where the priorities will be other than I suspect that we'll see service added to STL.



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User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8200 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-SMF OCT 0.9>0.0

Is this seasonel or permanint?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 5):
EDIT: These routes are all changing over from CO to 1-2 frequencies on UA's Shuttle America 170s. I think UA likes keeping them over at EWR.

For one month? ...or maybe they didn't load the change beyond that?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
If they had 40 or 50 slots, we'd see BNA-LGA, probably at 3-4x.

True

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-SMF OCT 0.9>0.0

Is this seasonel or permanint?

As you can see it is only in effect for October. That is because it was already zero beyond October. Basically, they shortened the season. I expect they will be back next Summer.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0

Hmm..interesting. I guess they can funnel traffic through CLT.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

Thanks as always for taking the time to compile and post this stuff...

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 OMA-PHX SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.7

It is listed as E190. Actually starts in mid-August. It is not on F9.com or the route map. Was it announced? Why such a short-lived route? I presume it operates as a through from MKE. It competes with their own US branded service doesn't it?

No word of this service yet, no annoucement, and not avaiable for sale on the website. Obviously seems strange, although of course things can hit the OAG tape prior to being on the website.

MKE-OMA is all ERJ and MKE-PHX is A319, so it's not a natural fit that an OMA-PHX E190 would be a Milwaukee thru flight. Certainly possible, however.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*F9 MKE-BOS OCT 4>3
*F9 MKE-LGA OCT 4>3

This is the 4th round trip they added in April (LGA) and May (BOS) which has not clearly been portrayed as seasonal or long-term. It's ending after labor day now, I believe, but it has shown up a couple of times in these weekly reports because the keep adjusting the published end date.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 11):
Thanks as always for taking the time to compile and post this stuff...

Thank you...

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 11):
No word of this service yet, no annoucement, and not avaiable for sale on the website. Obviously seems strange, although of course things can hit the OAG tape prior to being on the website.
OMA-PHX 1638 1732

I am noticing that there is no return flight it would appear. The block time is reasonable, however, given the time zones. I guess it is a mistake.

OTOH, I just noticed that the schedule is balanced. It appears to turn an E190 going back to DEN. Is it possible it is a range issue from MKE to PHX in the Fall on the E90? If so, what a joke of a solution to the problem...

[Edited 2011-05-25 10:31:42]

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6696 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...To UA?...
*CO IAH-ABQ SEP 5>0.8
...
...To UA?...
*CO IAH-COS SEP 5>1.6
...
CO IAH-TUS AUG 0.9>0.6 SEP 4>0.8
CO IAH-YYZ AUG 1.3>1.0 SEP 4>0.9

To UAX, I think. No CO code permitted on outsourced jet flights to/from IAH/CLE/EWR with over 50 seats.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I wonder if AA expects WN to add BNA-LGA?
*AA BNA-LGA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
It could also be a M80/CR7 swap. Can you pull the equipment on that one?

It goes from two MD-80's and two CR7's in the current schedule to six CR7's in September.

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-PDX OCT 0.9>0.0
US PHL-SMF OCT 0.9>0.0

Is this seasonel or permanint?

These have been seasonal since introduced, as far as memory serves; I just think they're ending sooner due to the cost of jet fuel.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
...Soon there will be little left...
*AA SJU

IMO, JetBlue entering U.S. mainland-Puerto Rico/Caribbean killed AA's margins there, and the inter-island flying won't make money without the connecting feed. They've decided to consolidate to MIA where they've got better economies of scale -- and some of the infrastructure issues which made certain MIA-Caribbean routes unworkable in the past have been solved. Plus, I don't think they want to stay in the turboprop business long-term.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
EI AUS-ORD JAN 0>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OK ATL-LAX NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
OK ATL-SEA NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
OK ATL-SFO NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0

Did I miss something here? Is Aer Lingus REALLY gonna fly from Austin to Chicago? And when did Czech Airlines have operations in ATL?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7859 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
To UAX, I think. No CO code permitted on outsourced jet flights to/from IAH/CLE/EWR with over 50 seats.

I use UA interchangeably between UA/UAX, but I'm sure you are right.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
It goes from two MD-80's and two CR7's in the current schedule to six CR7's in September.

Yes, as I say above it may still be preparation for WN's entry. AA can do their best with better freq than WN.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
These have been seasonal since introduced, as far as memory serves; I just think they're ending sooner due to the cost of jet fuel.

Yes, they had extended them about a month ago and now are having second thoughts.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
IMO, JetBlue entering U.S. mainland-Puerto Rico/Caribbean killed AA's margins there

Ironic that B6 is their partner, but I don't disagree. NK didn't help either.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
Plus, I don't think they want to stay in the turboprop business long-term.

Somebody needs to, props are much more fuel efficient than RJs.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2817 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7702 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 11):
Thanks as always for taking the time to compile and post this stuff...

Thank you...

Exactly right! Thank you very much for all the hard work you put into this, enilria. In all seriousness, your posts are one of the reasons I keep coming to this site.   


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5335 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 LAX-AGU JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>
Y4 LAX-GDL JUL 4>5
Y4 LAX-MLM JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>
Y4 LAX-TLC JUL 0.6>0.9 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>
Y4 LAX-ZCL JUL 0.4>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.7 SEP 0.4>0.7 OCT 0.4>
Y4 MDW-GDL JUN 1.7>1.6 AUG 1.7>2 SEP 1.7>2 OCT 1.7>
Y4 SJC-GDL JUL 1.5>1.8 AUG 1.4>1.8 SEP 1.4>1.9 OCT 1.5>

I guess the SAN-GDL & SAN-MEX service hasn't shown up at OAG yet? (Service begins July 15.) Interesting.
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
...Schedule extension, anybody see anything changed?...
VX

Looks like the same ol' stuff to me... SOP for VX.
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 11):
[re F9 OMA-PHX] No word of this service yet, no annoucement, and not avaiable for sale on the website. Obviously seems strange, although of course things can hit the OAG tape prior to being on the website.

Hopefully means that the OMA-experiment is going well enough to be expanded a bit. I note no other changes (decreases) listed here, such as OMA-SoCal or OMA-Florida. Good to see something working.

bb


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
OTOH, I just noticed that the schedule is balanced. It appears to turn an E190 going back to DEN. Is it possible it is a range issue from MKE to PHX in the Fall on the E90? If so, what a joke of a solution to the problem...

No such thing. The E190 has plenty of legs to fly MKE-PHX year round. It flies MKE-SFO which is 400 miles farther. And the headwinds are much worse in the dead of winter, not fall. E190 have flown MKE-west coast in winter.

Plus, MKE-PHX has been an Airbus route since Frontier came into the picture, and it typically carries 110-120 pax. Of course it could always change to E190 in theory, but it's not like this is an E190 market which has been making technical fuel stops in winter.

It will be interesting to see if OMA-PHX is a simple filing error, or if it's something in the works.


User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

Very nice, as always...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I wonder if AA expects WN to add BNA-LGA?
*AA BNA-LGA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6

Interesting possibility.

However I was guessing that AA is simply 'babysitting' LGA slots with shorter (less expensive) flights in the off season.

If I read correctly, they dropped 2 DFW-LGA's (most likely mainline).

But they added 1 BNA-LGA and 1 YYZ-LGA (I'm guessing RJ's)

So this may just be LGA-slot-preservation-at-minimum-cost, rather than a poke at WN...


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
Exactly right! Thank you very much for all the hard work you put into this, enilria. In all seriousness, your posts are one of the reasons I keep coming to this site.

 
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
...Schedule extension, anybody see anything changed?...
VX

Looks like the same ol' stuff to me... SOP for VX.

Oh well. Schedule extensions are often used a sneaky way to make frequency changes. B6 does that all the time.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 18):
It will be interesting to see if OMA-PHX is a simple filing error, or if it's something in the works.

On the F9 thread we have solved the riddle. It appears there is an OMA-DEN-PHX through on an E190 and it appears they mistakenly deleted the DEN stop. This is corroborated by the OMA and DEN stations being out of balance, while PHX is in-balance. Kind of an amateurish mistake if you ask me. When is the last time you saw AA/DL/UA/US adding ABE-SAN by mistake???

Quoting n9801f (Reply 19):
However I was guessing that AA is simply 'babysitting' LGA slots with shorter (less expensive) flights in the off season.
Quoting n9801f (Reply 19):
So this may just be LGA-slot-preservation-at-minimum-cost

It could be both. OTOH, I'm certain that you can surrender a September slot and get it back for October or November. Thus, there are tons of surplus September slots out there. They could just let those go and have no risk as they would be historically grandfathered for the "good" months.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 14):
Did I miss something here? Is Aer Lingus REALLY gonna fly from Austin to Chicago? And when did Czech Airlines have operations in ATL?

Just a guess, but very likely codeshares on their alliance partner's flights (AA & DL respectively)


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 21):
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 14):
Did I miss something here? Is Aer Lingus REALLY gonna fly from Austin to Chicago? And when did Czech Airlines have operations in ATL?

Just a guess, but very likely codeshares on their alliance partner's flights (AA & DL respectively)

I'm sure that is what it is. There is a suppression code they are supposed to file which prevents those from appearing in my report, but it is very commonly forgotten and revised later.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
VX JFK-LAX NOV 0>6 DEC 0>6 JAN 0>0.7

is this a typo ? 6x daily then 5x weekly ? (or am i reading it wrong?)


User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
It appears there is an OMA-DEN-PHX through on an E190 and it appears they mistakenly deleted the DEN stop

It almost sounds like they're not very automated...

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
When is the last time you saw AA/DL/UA/US adding ABE-SAN by mistake???

Yes, I know what you mean - the big guys generally do a pretty good job in this regard.

But you stirred a funny memory.

Years ago (20?) AA loaded a new, one-way flight "SLC-IAD". This raised some eyebrows, until folks noticed that their schedule at IDA was out of balance... (In other words, it was a typo on a short 'tag' flight between Salt Lake City and Idaho Falls.)


25 ScottB : Their schedule has only been published for the first few days of January, so you're seeing the results of averaging a few days' worth of flights over
26 enilria : It just means that they have not published the whole January schedule yet. It is incomplete. I have a minimum departure filter in place so they proba
27 ScottB : I seem to recall things like that happening with AA publishing flights to/from GSW and US having flights to/from INT (long after they ceased serving
28 enilria : Yes, this seems to be a special "feature" of Sabre that has bedeviled several airlines. LOL. F9 is on Sabre! Actually, though, OAG is unaffected by t
29 jadedchameleon : Seems like a lot of reduction in capacity. Is this normal or are they switching to bigger aircraft (fewer E145, more CRJ700)? I fly OMA-IAH frequentl
30 enilria : Given that it is only in effect for September, I would assume it is a seasonal schedule reduction for the industry's worst month...but Tommy767 says
31 MSYtristar : Not a surprise judging from the numbers I've seen. They averaged somewhere around 70 a flight. AC starting MSY at the exact same time spelled trouble
32 FWAERJ : Weird. FWA-DTW originally went from 5x to 6x on weekdays from August 15th onward to compensate for the CVG discontinuation. Is there an equipment upg
33 n7371f : My gosh! A long, far cry from the days of wingtip to wingtip flying with double digit daily flights on this route.
34 n9801f : No kidding... Hopefully this is a case of mis-synchronized flight-swapping between UA/CO?
35 slcdeltarumd11 : Maybe bna Lga is being increased just to make it less attractive should/when WN get new slots.
36 steeler83 : Man, I notice a lot of cuts affecting PIT. AA ORD-PIT down from 7 to 6 flights for the Fall and then to 5 flights come December and January. Last time
37 FilAmAirlines : Thanks a lot UA-CO merger :-/ Are the passenger loads on these flights performing poorly? It seems DL will remain the USA-based airline flying to wha
38 enilria : Sad for MSY. I'm sure you see more coming. I thought the same. A view of CVG to come? It's got to be a glitch.
39 ckfred : It seems to me that AA has done a lot of frequency reductions with very few frequency increases. Is this a case of parking more planes in the desert,
40 joeljack : Yes, it gets 3x CR7 for a total of 7x daily in the fall. Depending on the month, sometimes 4x CR7 this summer. I do notice in the fall the all 73X se
41 goldenjet707 : According to your post CO would be dropping their whole Micronesia operation, which they definitely are not at this point. Please explain !
42 kgaiflyer : Very odd -- since the only airport (of these mentioned) currently served by 5T is YEG. They must be undergoing a massive fleet expansion.
43 kgaiflyer : Air Transport Intelligence reports this IATA code belongs to FlyHy Cargo Airlines of Thailand. Some oilfield work, perhaps?
44 mke717spotter : Well that idea didn't last long, did it?
45 AVLAirlineFreq : For northwest Florida, the winter is a shoulder season and not a peak for visitation. It can get pretty chilly in Pensacola and Destin that time of y
46 mah4546 : It is a charter operation, IIRC, so it technically might still be operating.[Edited 2011-05-26 05:23:38]
47 PSU.DTW.SCE : No, all CRJ. They are just cutting back on capacity in FWA, likely trying to raise yield.
48 enilria : I think that the Panhandle has been wrecked for the legacies with Vision and WN driving fares way down. Both DL and AA have been reducing capacity th
49 ScottB : Traffic to Florida from about January 5 to February 15 (depending on the timing of Presidents' Day) is actually pretty low. In the case of PNS/VPS/TL
50 hiflyer : Has anyone figured out what this is all about aside from possible fear of typhoon???? Air Mike going to a320's? grin.
51 enilria : As I've suggested, is it possible they are using a new aircraft designation? I've seen this happen before with mixed freighters. OAG rejects the subm
52 n9801f : That an interesting possibility... Didn't I read that CO was no longer going to run Air Micronesia as a separate entity? As you mention, perhaps some
53 Filipair : Air Poland/FlyCentralEurope and the tour company selling the flights gave up on the idea. The flights weren't much cheaper than connecting with LO or
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yes, it was announced some time last year that Mike would be folded into UA following the merger. Still no hard date as far as I know.
55 enilria : Well, another possibility relates to the merger. It appears that a lot of stuff disappears from the CO code, but doesn't reappear on the UA code. The
56 Post contains images n9801f : I see. Thank you. Yes, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that's it. IIRC, there are many codes, they are sometimes quite complicated, and there are ca
57 enilria : All very true, but the "operational flight" code is pretty standard. I think it is something like "A". LOL. It is the code share flights that are com
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