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SriLankan To Launch Daily YYZ Flights?  
User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

SriLankan will launch daily CMB-LHR-YYZ flights from Oct. says the Sri Lankan aviation minster.
http://www.dailynews.lk/2011/05/26/news03.asp
Now this news has been rumored for a long time, but this is not an official confirmation from the airline. The newspaper is state owned, and the info on the article about MOW is true - while the PVG upgrade too, could be true given that the airline has just added another A340 with flat-beds while other wide-bodies are presently being refurbished. And this news will certainly be a threat to EK. But the slots at LHR? The route was initially proposed via LGW. Or, could they be using two slots for one (eg: one existing CMB-LHR terminator's slots for CMB-LHR-YYZ and another existing CMB-LHR's slots for YYZ-LHR-CMB ) ? Have any of you heard any update on this route? UL did get fifth freedom rights ex LON for Canada a few weeks ago, and also had its UK rights increased to 21 from the present 14.

[Edited 2011-05-26 06:19:45]


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User currently offlineairbusfanyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Yes this seems to be happening very soon... AC could be codesharing on the route too?

The CTA issued the following ruling on May 20, 2011
Link:
http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/decision-ruling/drv.php?id=30801&lang=eng
Excerpt:
"Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to subsection 78(2) of the CTA, will issue to Air Canada a temporary licence to operate, through code sharing, an international air service on a scheduled basis, using large aircraft, between Canada and Sri Lanka.
Concerning the duration of the subject authority, the Agency considers it appropriate to grant it until May 20, 2012."

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Interesting to see they run it on a regular basis!

btw, those A340 birds were under CX and had just finished all the delivery work not long ago in HKG~  


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting airbusfanyyz (Reply 1):

Yes this seems to be happening very soon... AC could be codesharing on the route too?

The CTA issued the following ruling on May 20, 2011
Link:
http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/decision-ruling/drv.php?id=30801&lang=eng
Excerpt:
"Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to subsection 78(2) of the CTA, will issue to Air Canada a temporary licence to operate, through code sharing, an international air service on a scheduled basis, using large aircraft, between Canada and Sri Lanka.
Concerning the duration of the subject authority, the Agency considers it appropriate to grant it until May 20, 2012."

Great spot! Thanks for the update!

Quoting flythere (Reply 2):

btw, those A340 birds were under CX and had just finished all the delivery work not long ago in HKG~

Yes, the newest one - 4R-ADG ( ex B-HXL).

I still wonder where will they be getting the slots at LHR for this though. Perhaps AC helps out on this too ? Now if AC joins with previously EK owned UL to beat EK, that would make sense!  



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User currently offlineairbusfanyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 3):
I still wonder where will they be getting the slots at LHR for this though

IIRC YYZ will be served via LGW.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

If they end up flying through LHR, I wonder whether Srilankan should just codeshare with AC without having to fly their own metal to YYZ (although it's nice to see another livery at YYZ nonetheless).

Otherwise, LGW might bode well for them...


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 5):
Otherwise, LGW might bode well for them...

So there will be TS, MT and UL on LGW-YYZ....Interesting....!


Now, CMB-YYZ is 14008 km.

SriLankan begins service to DME in September.

CMB-DME-YYZ is 14,059km....Need i say more ! Maybe a codeshare with Transaero...LOL

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Of course it could end up to be a simple AC/UL code-share that connects each other at LHR. But I'd like to see them expanding into YYZ. However I must say that the former appears to be a possibility.
@Airbusfanyyz that was the original plan. But now they are talking of LHR.
@thenoflyzone DME is flown with 320s, so no chance. Plus I doubt if they will get fifth freedom etc Russia. The LON transit always has a better traffic projection.



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User currently offlineairbusfanyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

UL's plan is to operate CMB-LGW-YYZ with their metal.
It looks like AC will codeshare the whole way based on the CTA ruling.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Airbusfanyyz, please share more of what you know. The initial plan was indeed via LGW, but it has now been instead switched to LHR. Can you confirm that it is LGW, again ?


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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

I will be surprised if this actually happens...but good luck!
Have they even got sufficient frames coming on line to maintan a daily service?
Although there maybe sufficient demand on the route, I get the gut feeling yield will be terrible, especially if it is ear marked at the VFR market.
It may attract some Indian traffic, but this will be at the bottom end too as it will involve two stops (London and Colombo).

Nevertheless, if this takes off, this will sure be one ground breaking route for the airline. A new continent, and also it's longest route.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10):
Have they even got sufficient frames coming on line to maintan a daily service?
Although there maybe sufficient demand on the route, I get the gut feeling yield will be terrible, especially if it is ear marked at the VFR market.
It may attract some Indian traffic, but this will be at the bottom end too as it will involve two stops (London and Colombo).

Nevertheless, if this takes off, this will sure be one ground breaking route for the airline. A new continent, and also it's longest route.

Indeed, and would be quite a bit of challenge to EK on Y class as UL offers much lower fares. They have about enough a/c, especially if they will switch some LHR frequencies into this one. The yields would be very bad, but may be not as bad as we think too - given that they may capture some better yield ex LON.



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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Thread starter):
CMB-LHR-YYZ

Just how big is the CMB-YYZ O&D market?



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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 12):
Just how big is the CMB-YYZ O&D market?

I think Toronto has the largest sri lankan community living outside of Sri Lanka - don't have actual numbers, but it is substantial


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 12):
ust how big is the CMB-YYZ O&D market?
Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 13):
I think Toronto has the largest sri lankan community living outside of Sri Lanka - don't have actual numbers, but it is substantial


Substantially large. The biggest Sri Lankan community outside Sri Lanka is MEL. I suppose that YYZ comes second or third. Given that they also have fifth freedom ex LON for YYZ, loads ( and to a little extent, perhaps yields too ) should not be a problem. If I'm not mistaken, one of the older 332s is presently being refurbished with flat-beds. They already have two wide-bodies with full flat beds ( not lie-flat, sometimes wonder whether that is too much comfort for the prices UL offers. EK has just 46" pitch on J class of their 77Ws, but charge twice as much as UL does. )



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

NEWS: UL has started refurbishing its A330 fleet. First frame is presently undergoing at CMB. 4R-ALB.
Does an airline need 5th freedom to launch a codeshare via some city ? I suppose not ? UL did get fifth freedom ex LON.
Reading through this thread ( http://www.www.airliners.net/aviatio...eneral_aviation/read.main/5087374/ ) I got reminded that a UL media exec once told me the route will be a codeshare with AC ex LHR. Couldn't it be true now given that the CTA granted an extra-bilateral approval ? The whole news is still confusing though. If they're to launch YYZ with own metal, that will mean that the ZRH resumption could be cancelled.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10):
It may attract some Indian traffic, but this will be at the bottom end too as it will involve two stops (London and Colombo).

Considering that Sri Lanka is geographically south of India, it's a bit out of the way.....at most, passengers flying to south Indian cities may find it useful....but for the main markets of DEL and N.India, it's way out of the way......even for BOM bound passengers, it wouldn't make much sense.....


User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1375 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 16):
it's way out of the way......even for BOM bound passengers, it wouldn't make much sense.....

It would make sense if the fares are lower and for a family it will add up.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting trvyyz (Reply 17):
It would make sense if the fares are lower and for a family it will add up.

Very true, given the current outrageous fares to India......but I just wonder, how low can UL go, considering AI and quite a few Euro airlines already give very competitive fares.....


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11721 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 18):
how low can UL go,

As low as the government says or wants I should think. I'm not convinced this route will work with a stop, non stop maybe, but otherwise you have little benefit over the numerous one stop options and it's going to be hard for UL to beat them on price.


Dan  



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

PlymSpotter, if they will really operate this route with own metal remains to be seen. But if they do, the LHR-YYZ sector alone could help UL make it. And that's a market where they're likely to offer deep discounts.
I doubt there's any government intervention for fares though. They've always been quite a low yield airline and that's what they seem to be trying to overcome with a better product.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11721 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 20):
But if they do, the LHR-YYZ sector alone could help UL make it. And that's a market where they're likely to offer deep discounts.

Two statements which are not conducive to each other though; they won't be able to make a profit if they are offering deep discounts, but if they don't they won't fill the plane.

It would certainly make more sense to operate the flight as a code-share for now.


Dan  



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

The airline has confirmed that the flights will be codeshare. CMB-LHR on UL. LHR-YYZ on AC. Sorry cannot link as it was an email.


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