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Who Still Uses RJ's Big City-little City The Best?  
User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4764 times:
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Since I couldn't fit the entire question in the subject line...

What US carrier would you all say utilizes their RJ's for hubs to smaller cities the best?

So many carriers are flying RJ's on big market-hub these days due to costs, demand, retiring aging mainline aircraft, etc.

For instance UA comes to mind. For example, you can see RJ service on DFW-SFO, ORD-LGA, MIA-ORD, LAX-LAS. DL, AA, US, & CO follow the same philosophy. On routes like ORD-DCA, LAX-SFO, PHX-SAN, IAH-PVR, etc etc, etc.

This thread is not to argue RJ use and where they should be used. What I am asking is who still uses them for what express flying used to be for? Flying from a small sized town to the big hub? I completely understand what the market has turned into and why they are flown on the current routes these days.

From what I see I would venture to guess CO, AS/QX, & maybe US?

What are all your thoughts???


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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

YV does PHX-MEM, -SAT, -GDL (huge with hispanics going to visit), and LAS in the morning and late late night. Also have PHX-YYC and YEG. Those all seem to do quite well in terms of Pax and bags.

User currently offlinejetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Since the Dl merger Mem has become a major rj hub wilth just a few of the mainline a/c flying to various destinations, But of course Pinnacle airlines and cologne air are based here ..


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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

I'm confused... compared to what? Compared to airlines that are using mainline metal on little city to hub? The whole point of RJs (and sizing aircraft in general) is to match the capacity to the market. The only exception to this is using RJs to fill holes in your big-to-big markets just so you can add frequencies.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4102 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

It sounds fairly straighforward to me. Who is using them most on the kind of routes they were originally designed for?

Clearly the CR2 was not designed for large market-hub routes.

AS I think still does this well with QX, disregarding the SEA-PDX shuttle, for the most part QX flies on the thinner routes with the mainline AS metal on larger markets.

As mentioned above, CO was pretty good at it, but that's out the window now as UA doesn't seem to follow the same philosophy.

The old NW I think was another decent example with all their regional flying out of MSP.


User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I think the question is who uses RJs exclusively on Hub-Spoke (in this case cities that can not support mainline service) routes and not Hub-Hub routes.

Quoting united319 (Thread starter):
AS/QX,

I would say that QX uses them the best except for the 40 Portland/Seattle Shuttle flights daily (my count may be off based on day of the week), other than that, QX (and now OO) seems to have the best utilization of their RJs/Q400s in that they aren't flying very many routes that could support mainline or any that are hub-hub. I believe that SEA-LGB may be the exception, but other than that, the flying seems pretty balanced. Now granted, one could say that SEA/PDX-BOI could support mainline, but that would be a disaster at the QX gates.

Quoting united319 (Thread starter):
US

I think US automatically is not the best at using their RJs simply because the backbone of LGA is RJ and Prop departures, plus I believe we are at 17 daily flights each way between LGA and PHL, both of which are deemed hubs. Also, I believe that since they still are having labor issues, some of the flights in/out of PHX and CLT that connect East crews with West crews at secondary airports are served very oddly with RJs considering some could support mainline on one side or the other.



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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3951 times:
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Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 3):
I'm confused... compared to what? Compared to airlines that are using mainline metal on little city to hub? The whole point of RJs (and sizing aircraft in general) is to match the capacity to the market. The only exception to this is using RJs to fill holes in your big-to-big markets just so you can add frequencies.

Compared to what they used to be for. Flying big cities to smaller cities. i.e DFW-BTR.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Not to nit pick but OP I don't believe Phx San is flow by anyone else other than US WN

User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
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Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 7):
Not to nit pick but OP I don't believe Phx San is flow by anyone else other than US WN
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20110527/1550Z/KPHX/KSAN

USX still flies it..



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

I would say it varies not only by airline, but by hub. For example, AA uses mainline jets on just about every route from DFW to a major city, with the notable exception of CVG. However, at their ORD hub they do use RJs on various major routes, such as ORD-DEN, IAH, MSP, DTW, YYZ, DCA, BWI, PHL, etc.

DL uses mainline on just about every route to a major city from ATL, but obviously they also have hubs at CVG, MEM, and DTW which all have a large amount of RJ flights to major destinations. The best thing about the way DL uses RJs is that they have the self-imposed "750-mile rule", where they do not use 50-seat RJs on routes longer than 750 miles.

UA uses RJs on all kinds of major routes. LAX-SEA, ORD-STL, IAH-YYZ, EWR-MSP, IAD-ATL, etc.

US also uses RJs on some surprising routes. CLT-LGA to me is the craziest. Some days they have up to six CRJ flights on that route.



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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting united319 (Reply 8):


USX still flies it..

And US mainline with a/c as large as the A321 and B757.



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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
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Quoting san747 (Reply 10):
And US mainline with a/c as large as the A321 and B757.

I know, i'm referring to routes they mix mainline w/RJ's or entirely RJ routes. More similar routes would be PHX-LAX, PHX-SFO, PHX-LAS, LAS-SFO, LAS-LAX, etc etc etc...



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

I hope I'm understanding the question right, but I'd think it would be Delta.

With their hubs in Detroit and Atlanta, they utilize the CRJ-200 for routes such as ATL-OAJ. From DTW-MBS. Delta serves numerous smaller markets with the CRJ, if that's what you are looking for.



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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
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Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 12):
I hope I'm understanding the question right, but I'd think it would be Delta.

With their hubs in Detroit and Atlanta, they utilize the CRJ-200 for routes such as ATL-OAJ. From DTW-MBS. Delta serves numerous smaller markets with the CRJ, if that's what you are looking for.

The 200's and some 700's are used MUCH better than the 900's for their original intent. You pretty much only see the 900's flying between major and some secondary cities like JFK-DFW, LAX-LAS, DTW-EWR, etc.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
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A surprise with UA's new Expressjet departures to ORD from BWI -- which some said would fly empty in total disgust over departures being dropped from mainline -- is that the convenient scheduling and increases in frequency seem to have caught on. And there are fights over just who is important enough to sit in row 12 on the E145s.

Now if they can switch arrival / departure from ORD's F concourse to C concourse, everything will be great.  


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