united319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4329 times:
Since I couldn't fit the entire question in the subject line...
What US carrier would you all say utilizes their RJ's for hubs to smaller cities the best?
So many carriers are flying RJ's on big market-hub these days due to costs, demand, retiring aging mainline aircraft, etc.
For instance UA comes to mind. For example, you can see RJ service on DFW-SFO, ORD-LGA, MIA-ORD, LAX-LAS. DL, AA, US, & CO follow the same philosophy. On routes like ORD-DCA, LAX-SFO, PHX-SAN, IAH-PVR, etc etc, etc.
This thread is not to argue RJ use and where they should be used. What I am asking is who still uses them for what express flying used to be for? Flying from a small sized town to the big hub? I completely understand what the market has turned into and why they are flown on the current routes these days.
From what I see I would venture to guess CO, AS/QX, & maybe US?
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
I'm confused... compared to what? Compared to airlines that are using mainline metal on little city to hub? The whole point of RJs (and sizing aircraft in general) is to match the capacity to the market. The only exception to this is using RJs to fill holes in your big-to-big markets just so you can add frequencies.
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I would say that QX uses them the best except for the 40 Portland/Seattle Shuttle flights daily (my count may be off based on day of the week), other than that, QX (and now OO) seems to have the best utilization of their RJs/Q400s in that they aren't flying very many routes that could support mainline or any that are hub-hub. I believe that SEA-LGB may be the exception, but other than that, the flying seems pretty balanced. Now granted, one could say that SEA/PDX-BOI could support mainline, but that would be a disaster at the QX gates.
I think US automatically is not the best at using their RJs simply because the backbone of LGA is RJ and Prop departures, plus I believe we are at 17 daily flights each way between LGA and PHL, both of which are deemed hubs. Also, I believe that since they still are having labor issues, some of the flights in/out of PHX and CLT that connect East crews with West crews at secondary airports are served very oddly with RJs considering some could support mainline on one side or the other.
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united319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 3): I'm confused... compared to what? Compared to airlines that are using mainline metal on little city to hub? The whole point of RJs (and sizing aircraft in general) is to match the capacity to the market. The only exception to this is using RJs to fill holes in your big-to-big markets just so you can add frequencies.
Compared to what they used to be for. Flying big cities to smaller cities. i.e DFW-BTR.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
I would say it varies not only by airline, but by hub. For example, AA uses mainline jets on just about every route from DFW to a major city, with the notable exception of CVG. However, at their ORD hub they do use RJs on various major routes, such as ORD-DEN, IAH, MSP, DTW, YYZ, DCA, BWI, PHL, etc.
DL uses mainline on just about every route to a major city from ATL, but obviously they also have hubs at CVG, MEM, and DTW which all have a large amount of RJ flights to major destinations. The best thing about the way DL uses RJs is that they have the self-imposed "750-mile rule", where they do not use 50-seat RJs on routes longer than 750 miles.
UA uses RJs on all kinds of major routes. LAX-SEA, ORD-STL, IAH-YYZ, EWR-MSP, IAD-ATL, etc.
US also uses RJs on some surprising routes. CLT-LGA to me is the craziest. Some days they have up to six CRJ flights on that route.
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
united319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 12): I hope I'm understanding the question right, but I'd think it would be Delta.
With their hubs in Detroit and Atlanta, they utilize the CRJ-200 for routes such as ATL-OAJ. From DTW-MBS. Delta serves numerous smaller markets with the CRJ, if that's what you are looking for.
The 200's and some 700's are used MUCH better than the 900's for their original intent. You pretty much only see the 900's flying between major and some secondary cities like JFK-DFW, LAX-LAS, DTW-EWR, etc.
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1534 times:
A surprise with UA's new Expressjet departures to ORD from BWI -- which some said would fly empty in total disgust over departures being dropped from mainline -- is that the convenient scheduling and increases in frequency seem to have caught on. And there are fights over just who is important enough to sit in row 12 on the E145s.
Now if they can switch arrival / departure from ORD's F concourse to C concourse, everything will be great.