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Calgary International: Will Get Airport Tunnel  
User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

After months of endless debate, the Calgary Airport Authority and the City of Calgary have come to terms for the city to build a transportation tunnel under the new runway.

With the development of the new runway, the placement of the taxiways went right over Barlow Trail, the major East-side roadway into the airport. Barlow Trail was favoured over Deerfoot Trail (aka Alberta Highway #2) by the locals, and anyone coming in from the East from outside of town. Deerfoot Trail is the major North/South corridor in the city, and regularily gets badly congested at Rush Hour in the mornings and evenings. This will cause a continuous strain for people trying to get to Airport Trail, which currently can only be accessed by Deerfoot Trail.

The necessary severing of Barlow Trail has cut off 1/2 of the access to an airport that will be building a new International Terminal, and with that, doubling the size of the airport.

I commend YYC, the City of Calgary, and our (almost) new Mayor, Naheed Nemshi. Mayor Nemshi fought hard for the tunnel, as it will substancially cut the cost of future interchanges, and the expansion of the LRT (Light Rail Transit) system to the airport.

The final agreement will be signed June 15th, with construction of the tunnel starting soon after.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...l_110527/20110527/?hub=CalgaryHome


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

This was all about money and who was going to pay for the tunnel. Seems common sense prevailed as I suspected a deal would be struck once the last hand of poker was played. The details of this deal will be very interesting to see,if it's ever fully disclosed. This decision is the right one and critical to traffic flows to/from and around the airport.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

I can't imagine the mess if access to the airport was only from Deerfoot...the horror...the horror...


What the...?
User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Nenshi, his name is Nenshi. How can people still make this mistake?

Good news that this is going ahead, I just hope we don't rush to get the LRT to the airport. I think it is more of a "sexy" project than one that the city actually needs right now. The SE LRT line should be the next big priority, good enough that the tunnel will have the right of way for it already built.

[Edited 2011-05-28 08:13:11]

User currently offlinebraynfeeble From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Hooray for YYC for being proactive & just getting the job done!


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User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

For something that would appear to be a "no-brainer", this tunnell issue sure did drag on.
I favour getting Barlow trail re completed and indeed LRT to terminal asap.



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User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

The first Canadian airport to have a runway underpass like LHR, ORD and DTW. I guess no new road plans in Toronto near YYZ or Montreal (YUL) to equal this achievement...none is needed I guess.


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 3):
I just hope we don't rush to get the LRT to the airport.

I have to disagree...I have been to some major cities where the trains go right to the airport and that really is a huge benefit. In my opinion, it is much more convenient to take a train to the airport than any other conveyance.

No more long, expensive cab rides, no more parking worries, no traffic worries...just regular, reliable transportation to the airport.

It's a very good thing.



What the...?
User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 3):
Good news that this is going ahead, I just hope we don't rush to get the LRT to the airport. I think it is more of a "sexy" project than one that the city actually needs right now. The SE LRT line should be the next big priority, good enough that the tunnel will have the right of way for it already built.

In Europe, major airports in many cases have not only light rail, but also intercity rail terminal where one can easily catch a train to downtown or other cities. A good example is FRA - they have a train going downtown every 15 min, as well as trains to other destination every hour, such as Munich. When I visit Germany, I usually fly into FRA and hop on the train to Munich rather than connect. Very reliable and practical.

I would think it would be better if YYC first build light rail and then sees if another highway is really necessary based on LRT ridership. This is how SEA did recently - we have an LRT to downtown, and it's practical. When I am flying in the morning, I can just hop on LRT and get straight to work without worrying about parking, traffic, etc.


User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Doesn't YYZ have an underpass for airport vehicles?

User currently offlineantidote From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 3):
I just hope we don't rush to get the LRT to the airport.

No, rush please! Anyone who has frequented European airports would agree.

I just took the MAX Light Rail to PDX last month. Off the train, up the escalator and you're in Departures. Faster, cheaper, no parking costs and one less car clogging the road system.


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 3):
Nenshi, his name is Nenshi. How can people still make this mistake?

I stand corrected. It really is an easy mistake.

That being said, I have to wonder if the previous council was still around, would this tunnel deal have ever happened? (LRT going nowhere near MRU, for example....)

Although it might not happen for a while, the most important piece of the expanded transportation puzzle (to the airport, and beyond) has now been put in place. It was amazing talking to a younger member of my staff (not quite 30), who didn't realize Barlow had been severed. I have to wonder how many others will be caught by surprise!



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3251 times:
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Quoting YYCowboy (Reply 5):
For something that would appear to be a "no-brainer", this tunnell issue sure did drag on.
I favour getting Barlow trail re completed and indeed LRT to terminal asap.

Well, since nine of the ten airport hotels -- all with access off Barlow -- suddenly became cut off from their clients, it was only a matter of time.

And absolutely correct about a C Train extension from Falconbridge being a no-brainer   


User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Congrats YYC on LRT to the airport! Maybe you can rub some smartness off on our mayor to keep our LRT and access to YYZ!

If only....


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 13):

Let's not get crazy now...next you'll be asking to get the leafs into the playoffs. One step at a time...

What I find amazing, (well, not that amazing since I have been a victim of Calgary civil engineering marvels), is that with an LRT station virtually at the end of the new runway, they were actually considering NOT extending the LRT to the terminal.

It's why we drink...



What the...?
User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 14):
Let's not get crazy now...next you'll be asking to get the leafs into the playoffs. One step at a time...

    

Will be keeping an eye on it's progress!


User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 14):
What I find amazing, (well, not that amazing since I have been a victim of Calgary civil engineering marvels), is that with an LRT station virtually at the end of the new runway, they were actually considering NOT extending the LRT to the terminal.

It's why we drink...

Hmm... Have they also considered having the departing/arriving planes stop at the end of the runway to pick up/drop off the passengers to LRT?


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 16):
Hmm... Have they also considered having the departing/arriving planes stop at the end of the runway to pick up/drop off the passengers to LRT?

BWaaa haaa haa....where's the "LIKE" button?



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 7):
I have to disagree...I have been to some major cities where the trains go right to the airport and that really is a huge benefit. In my opinion, it is much more convenient to take a train to the airport than any other conveyance.

No more long, expensive cab rides, no more parking worries, no traffic worries...just regular, reliable transportation to the airport.

It's a very good thing.

   YVR is a case in point. The olympics were the catalyst, but many are now reaping the benefits, including the city of Richmond.



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

I am curious if you polled a bunch of YYC citizens how many of them would think that this tunnel runs north-south like Barlow trail did. I bet at least 30% would mistakenly think that.

Priority for this tunnel will be to get the funding to extend the road all the way east to Stoney Trail (the Calgary ring road). With that connection in place this tunnel will even benefit those coming to the airport from communities in SW Calgary.


User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 19):
With that connection in place this tunnel will even benefit those coming to the airport from communities in SW Calgary.
SW Calgary will not see any appreciable improvement in airport access from this tunnel. However, the deep SE (communities like MacKenzie, Cranston and the like) will see a noticeable improvement once the tunnel is connected with the soon-to-be extended ring road.

This tunnel, when you think about it, isn't primarily about airport access. Calgary needs more (and larger) arterial roads, both N-S and E-W; with Airport Trail to be connected with Center Street to the west, it will become a much needed access to Deerfoot and Stoney Trail from fast-growing residential areas east of the airport. The tunnel is a rare case of the city being proactive about road construction.

[Edited 2011-05-30 12:26:41]


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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1003 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 20):
SW Calgary will not see any appreciable improvement in airport access from this tunnel. However, the deep SE (communities like MacKenzie, Cranston and the like) will see a noticeable improvement once the tunnel is connected with the soon-to-be extended ring road.

Actually quite a few SW communities will benefit from this connection, a forumer on another website has done some extensive research into the time/distance between the 22x-Stoney Trail-Airport Trail route versus Deerfoot-Airport Trail. Once the SE leg of Stoney Trail is opened up and Airport Trail connects to Stoney it will actually be quicker for many in the SW to choose that routing instead of Deerfoot.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

One benefit to all calgary traffic is that it keeps NE airport traffic off of deerfoot. The lrt access will be a definite benefit for everybody


What the...?
User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 21):
Actually quite a few SW communities will benefit from this connection, a forumer on another website has done some extensive research into the time/distance between the 22x-Stoney Trail-Airport Trail route versus Deerfoot-Airport Trail. Once the SE leg of Stoney Trail is opened up and Airport Trail connects to Stoney it will actually be quicker for many in the SW to choose that routing instead of Deerfoot.

If you live south of Fish Creek Park, there might be some time savings by taking 22X-Stoney, but the rest of the SW part of town won't see much benefit. Also, bear in mind that the city has been slowing down growth in the SW for some time now; they want most of the future growth to take place on the east side of the city, where there will be a huge benefit to having Airport trail connect with the ring road.



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