jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 36252 times:
A Delta aircraft is on fire at ATL according to Fox
Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2365 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 36168 times:
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2204 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 36182 times:
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 36172 times:
Did this happen during taxi? Did the plane declare an emergency and land? Was it failure on takeoff?
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 35899 times:
DL2284 from PIT-ATL, an MD88, a tyre burst and caused a fire apparently
Tigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 35822 times:
Says Fox 5 Atlanta:
Quote: Fire crews used foam spray to douse the flame in the rear of MD-88 just shortly after 4 p.m. on Saturday. The plane ended up on a ramp just off of Runway 8L, the northern most runway at the five runway airport.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson Kathleen Bergen said Delta flight 2284 from Pittsburgh was landing in Atlanta when its tire blew. This started the fire. Passengers were evacuated by using the emergency slides and the backstairs.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 35214 times:
76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 34866 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 9): Is it just me or does that picture capture the tailcone as it's falling before it completely hits the ground and the slide is deployed?
usafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 439 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 34282 times:
Can anyone figure out why the F/A sitting near L2 Door didn't open the door and inflate the slide?
Also, looks like the tail cone was jettisoned...but did the slide deploy (can't tell from the pic)?
skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 34057 times:
malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 33959 times:
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2516 posts, RR: 45 Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 33876 times:
First of all, no flight attendant sits beside R1 as that's where almost all DC-9's and MD-80's have a galley, second because the galley service door is much smaller than L1, and as long as L1 is operational it is preferred by the vast majority of DC-9 and MD-80 operators. Airlines also like to evacuate away from fire.
Any comments other than those are premature speculation, and will have to wait until the investigation is done.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6519 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 33465 times:
I actually saw when this one landed. Came in on 8L and they subsequently shut down that runway for obvious reasons.
CAM2:"Lightning coming out of that one." CAM1: "What?"
jimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32779 times:
Quoting usafdo (Reply 11): .but did the slide deploy (can't tell from the pic)?
That pic does show the slide deployed, it just doesn't look like it. Video on the local 6pm news showed the same view, but with bodies sliding down it.
qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32549 times:
Quoting usafdo (Reply 11): Can anyone figure out why the F/A sitting near L2 Door didn't open the door and inflate the slide?
Also, looks like the tail cone was jettisoned...but did the slide deploy (can't tell from the pic)?
Look carefully at the picture... the tailcone, while jetisoned, does not appear to be touching the ground yet -- it appears the pic may have been taken while the tail cone was being jetisoned, and the photographer just happened to catch the evac early on. As for 1R, there is only one flight attendant that sits up front, and their primary exit is 1L. The 1R door is secondary, and either the F/A was instructed not to use that door, it was jammed, or they just hadn't gotten to it yet.
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TrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 763 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32149 times:
Yup as stated the tailcone is literally in the air as the picture was taken. Also, as we already know it was a right main landing gear/tire issue as you can see the aircraft slanted to the right side. I also see both slides on the left side deployed and I would assume overwing exits were also utilized. Looks like from what I can see everything is going as planned. Hope everyone got off safely with no major injuries and hopefully the fire was put out quick enough so that no major damage was done to the MD80.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1048 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32049 times:
Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 19): Yup as stated the tailcone is literally in the air as the picture was taken.
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18): Look carefully at the picture... the tailcone, while jetisoned, does not appear to be touching the ground yet -- it appears the pic may have been taken while the tail cone was being jetisoned, and the photographer just happened to catch the evac early on.
Nope. Look at the video. The tailcone is swinging in the air.
jetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 31716 times:
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2364 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 31730 times:
The Fox video shows AFD pumping a lot of foam into the Right (#2) engine. Precautionary from the smoke from the tire blowing through the engine or was there a FOD issue from the blown tire? (Ok tyre for you euro's)
etherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 33366 times:
Why is the tailcone jettisoned? Is this an automatic function of the fire suppression system or is there a cockpit control? I didn't realize airliners could do that..
Quoting jimpop (Reply 22): I wonder what kind of engine damage occurred as a result of the brake fire.... Wow! Wow! Wow!
I was just thinking the same thing - all that foam can't be too healthy for the bits under the cowling, can it?
L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1583 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 33105 times:
Just wondering why they didn't use the rear airstairs rather than popping the tail cone. Passengers are less likely to be injured.
hugoandres1984 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2009, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 33794 times:
Because the Aft door can not open from inside the airplane.
25 AusA380: What struck me looking at this video footage was the number of people that seem to some down the rear shoot with what appear to be brief cases, bags
26 beeweel15: Is it me or am I seeing people exiting the aircraft with their hand carry baggage. I thought that was not allowed in order to protect the slide.
27 david21487: The tailcone jettisons when the flight attendant in the back opens the rear tailcone exit. If it doesn't jettison automaticlly, the flight attendant
28 PGNCS: Big surprise. Happens all the time. You try to get them to leave their stuff behind. I wish you luck with that. They are; most people A) don't pay at
29 AusA380: With the tail exit disabled, no access to R1 exit and people carrying bags out, sounds like there have been a few issues with this evacuation, fortun
30 AASTEW: Seems like a good evacuation to me! Cabin crew most likely were instructed by the captain to only utilize A/C left exits. If you look at the video clo
31 aloha73g: This is essentially the same procedure we were trained on for HA's 717s, I would assume the MD80s are almost identical. Not sure why the tailcone did
32 aa777lvr: Does anyone have an "N" number or ship number for the aircraft? -AA777LVR
33 david21487: Do you know of many evacuations where there weren't "issues"? The tail exit was opened and ended up not being useable. While not a good thing, it's a
34 PGNCS: WHAT? Who says there was no access to the R1 exit? I think I answered why the R1 exit wouldn't be a great choice in this situation from the perspecti
35 jetjack74: Our procedure is to pull the manual inflation handle regardless and it's not a usable exit until we do so. In this years CQ, if the tailcone doesn't
36 IndyWA: If the photo was taken in the early stages of the evacuation, it's another reason why 1R wasn't open. Most airline procedures (where there is a single
38 Dalmd88: There were only 43 pax on the plane. I bet they all got out the L1 and L2 quickly so there was no need to manually deploy the tail slide. Same for the
39 MNMncrcnwjr: however all the ex NC -50's in DL service have them ... they were popular for boarding in northern climates in the late 70's and 80's before stations
40 PlanesNTrains: Hardly. However, in past threads where this sort of thing has been discussed, opinions have varied. Some have felt the same as the guy who would punc
41 YYZAMS: Wow...looks like everyone did a great job evacuating, but if I were evacuated from a plane that had smoke on it I wouldn't turn around in about 50m. I
42 LGW340: Hi there, I saw this event happen right in front of me. 2 tyres blew after a perfectly smooth landing. The tailcone came off after the plane exited th
43 B777ER: 43 pax on PIT-ATL? DL doesn't have a emergency mgt issue, they have a route utilization issue.
44 26point2: After watching the video I am wondering why were the engine(s) where running during the evacuation?
45 LGW340: I don't know what vid you've seen but the engines were not running during evac
46 DCA-ROCguy: Any route can have a light load now and then, or even differing loads and yields at different times of week. One would need several months or a year
47 NWADC9: Ok, so it's not an MD-88 (DC-9s are DC-9s, right?), and it's not Delta (it is now!), but close enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFL9Z3Uc_A&
48 MileHighOffice: Glad everyone is OK. Anyone have the LiveATC link? Would be good to hear the comms. I think when the firefighters arrive back at the station after thi
49 dumbell2424: Sadly I don't think ATC will be quite that easy to get. LiveATC doesn't cover ATL
50 LGW340: They sprayed the right landing gear (the one on fire) with foam, then covered the whole wing, all over the top of the fuse and through the engine
51 DCAJet: Saturday Afternoon of a long holiday weekend...
52 YYZAMS: exactly..that is why fares where cheaper on Sat afternoon of the holiday weekend! Personally, I think if the R2 was deployed many people would just s
53 NWAROOSTER: If this would be considered a Risk Management Issue, it would only be an issue if the tail cone did NOT fall free from the aircraft. When the tail con
54 757luver: And what if something happened while they are reaching for or getting their carry-on and they didn't make it out alive? I can almost bet that they co
55 skoker: Watch after 30 seconds into this, this is MD-88 specific and shows how the tailcone SHOULD work. I still don't get how the tailcone can jettison and t
56 B777ER: There is a link to the ATC of the event at www.atcmonitor.com. However, he makes you register in the forum (no biggie) but then to listen to archive
57 BMI727: Because no medics would ever respond to an aircraft emergency? The idea of an evacuation is simple: get everyone off the plane as quickly as possible
58 AusA380: There seems to be some apologist here. I agree it is fantastic that everyone got out, however, with a lightly loaded plane if the media reports were
59 580fa: It seems as if we revisit the same topics every time there is an airplane evacuation. As a long time flight attendant who is also a sociologist, pleas
60 dumbell2424: Fair points, all of you, but the Devil's Advocate in me fears for an Alzheimer's patient with a respiratory illness who can't remember the actual nam
61 WNCrew: The official policy of ALL airlines is pretty much the same. WHEN THE PLANE IS ON FIRE and being evacuated, I don't care what YOU think you need to t
62 skoker: Policy is get the hell out, the quicker the better. There's a few videos on YouTube of evacs gone horribly wrong, with pax just going down the slides
63 580fa: Sure it is the "policy". How that translates from the crew to to the people when the airplane is on fire....who knows? I wish people would get this c
64 BMI727: How many Alzheimer's patients do you know that travel alone? The official policy of any sane airline is to leave it all behind and go. There is no gr
66 winterapfel: I'd say in such a case a person should carry his meds on his body, not in his back/trolly!
67 SWALUVFA: To Clarify ALL MD88 Tailcone Exit Questions: The tailcone bulkhead door has TWO handles from the inside. A NORMAL operating handle, and an EMERGENCY o
68 something: First of all... I am actually not quite sure why an evacuation was necessary in this case. Maybe it's company policy or an FAA regulation, but a burni
69 usafdo: He is a McDonald Douglas video of how it all works... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAndXzhgurI&feature=related
70 Antoniemey: True... But any active flame has the potential to flare up (possibly quite spectacularly) due to any number of potential fuel sources being reached b
71 ZANL188: Tailcones I suspect are pricey items, no point damaging one by dropping it on the ramp. Note the carriage is rigged with a net. In a real evac the co
72 EDICHC: I take issue with the above for one very basic and potentially serious error on the part of the flight crew. If you notice on the video the smoke fro
73 jeffbart33: Nice video of the fire/rescue crews in action. I assume the plane and engine has to be cleaned quite thoroughly after that or am I wrong in thinking t
74 MNMncrcnwjr: Was on a Saturday Aft DL DTW-STL run a few weeks back .. MD88 6 in FC 34 in the back .... Was very comfy.. The outbound for that plane was full (ATL)
75 rampkontroler: Lest we forget, although this was more than just "some burst tires", airliners can, and do, explode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgs5cT0feHA
76 goblin211: I know it's not typical procedure but in this case couldn't everyone had left via the main door? After all, the fire was in the rear. Or did they leav
77 cschleic: Recently while on a flight in the exit row, the F/A doing the preflight verbal check of all of us said, in case we had to use the exits, make sure wh
78 YYZAMS: Wow..that is a very crazy video especially on a newer aircraft
79 shufflemoomin: For people saying it's not a problem for people to grab baggage and not leave it behind and evacuate the aircraft as instructed, how is that not faili
80 DeltaMD90: I guess their side-view mirrors weren't working Unless I'm mistaken, how would the crew know which side the fire was besides 'in the back?'
81 YULWinterSkies: Don't you know that if you are seating in an emergency exit row, you should (open the door only after instructed by the crew to do so, but that is no
82 FX1816: Now this wasn't an emergency or anything but one day at ONT I saw an AS MD80 have the tail cone accidentally jettisoned and it did roll once it hit t
83 ASFlyer: There's not a middle ground or exceptions for anybody. It doesn't matter how many excuses you or anyone else come up with, NOBODY should drag ANY carr
84 shufflemoomin: Well said, Sir. Welcome to being the first person on my respected users list.
85 WNCrew: That's a common attitude amongst many here, whether it be evacuations, carryon stowage, electronic device usage, what-have-you. It's always a battle,
87 something: Besides, if something is so irreplaceably valuable to you that you couldn't bear the loss of it, taking it with you might not be the smartest idea in
88 DLD9S: There are lots of things people shouldn't do, but happen anyway... What should a crew member do when evacuating a plane and someone shows up at the d
89 jmforcz: I actually witnessed this yesterday from room 933 at the Renaissance. Unfortunately I didn’t get a picture of it actually happening (I had just chec
91 PGNCS: Pilots don't want to evacuate, and it's very easy to criticize the crew sitting in front of a computer in retrospect. If you are a pilot and are told
92 PHLapproach: Yesterday I decided to use my CASS Jumpseat privileges for the first time (was just put in on Friday) to go see some friends in PIT. I had planned to
93 david21487: I'm not sure about the pilots, but I do know that there was a f/a crew change in PIT.[Edited 2011-05-29 16:43:02]
94 B777ER: MD88B flying one would presume though the report will tell all. Seen a lot of young guys occupying the B seat on the 88.
95 C767P: Because we know that young FO’s don’t know how to fly…right? Even if there is a new hire FO landing, there is someone else up there….the old
96 MD-90: Wow, thank you, I've never seen that video before. It certainly qualifies as an explosion. The was a hot and furious fire, but not an explosion.
97 mayor: Sorry......I didn't realize that I was making excuses for those passengers. I actually wasn't, but was trying to explain why it may seem perfectly no
98 quiet1: Based on the video and the first-person report from jmforcz (reply 101), it would seem that after the plane stopped it was there for a few minutes bef
99 yeelep: The problem with a DC-9/MD80 tailcone slide failing to deploy is not as uncommon as one would hope. When my airline had MD's I would check the tailco
100 Viscount724: The only explosion was a passenger oxygen tank. Part of the tank was found almost 300 feet from the aircraft. Extensive discussion of the fire and se
101 580fa: I cannot link the picture, but I'm working on it. There is a very famous pic with people jumping out of the airplane with fire licking at their heels
102 steeler83: I had a funny feeling that this incident involved a flight to/from Pittsburgh... I hope all is ok.
103 FX1816: In that MDC video it is in fact an MD80, the paint scheme is that of Jet America. FX1816
104 AirNZ: very well said, and what I have been saying for a very long time on here. It is actually astonishing how many here will dictate what they would do in
105 26point2: I still see the/an engines(s) running running the evac. You can see the engine heat exhaust. No one else can see this?
106 Woof: The FA should throw the bag out the door, off to the side, so that it doesn't benefit from nor snag the slide, while loudly saying: "Your pills shoul
107 Viscount724: I was just quoting the official accident report which states in several places that the fire didn't reach the passenger cabin until the evacuation wa
108 trigged: That was part of my point later on that it is not CORRECT for people to do that, but there are alot of people who WILL do it. The training needs to b
109 AusA380: I am sure there are other pharmacy in the Atlanta region that meds could be obtained from. I realised about 18 months ago QF domestic (I assume Intl
110 Tristarcrazy: Here is a pic of the MD88 on the wash rack at TOC today. http://www.flickr.com/photos/63613001@N08/5784297695/in/photostream
111 EDICHC: Not the biggest factor but it is a significant factor and had the fire escalated it could have proved fatal. Familiarise yourself with the British Ai
112 LGW340: Now I have crossed the pond and am back home, I can show you my pic! http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b..._n941dl_emergency_fire_atl_cjg.jpg Chris
114 quiet1: Great pic, indeed! Was the aircraft still on the runway when you snapped that? I only ask because the thrust reversers were still deployed.
115 LGW340: Thanks. Yes it was still going pretty fast down down the runway at that point
117 mayor: However, I would imagine most of those pax are connecting......what are THEY supposed to do?
118 something: I'm sure if your plane is on fire and you find yourself in the middle of the apron, you won't be on that connection flight anyway. Plus, do you have
119 ASFlyer: die I imagine. They're just supposed to die. If there's an airplane incident that requires evacuation and your meds, the only thing keeping you alive
120 mayor: There are those on here that would smack you for doing that. I understand this point, but, human nature being what it is, I don't think threatening v
121 ASFlyer: I agree with what you're saying. In an evacuation someone may, out of instinct, grab a bag and bring it with them. There's not much anyone could do a
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