egph From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22368 times:
Hello guys and gals,
I was having a chat with a female friend of mine today and the topic of female pilots (and lack thereof in the industry) came up I have one serious statistical question and another kinda more fun/interesting one:
1. Does anyone have a link to/ info on the % of pilots in the UK/Europe who are females and the % of captains who are female?
2. This is more of an observational one, both my friend and I have both only seen female pilots wear trousers to work. Is there some sort of policy at most airlines that stipulate that female pilots cannot wear skirts and tights to work or is it a case of I have never seen those females with skirts?
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2875 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22296 times:
Well the three airlines I have worked for all encouraged qualified females to apply, and have hired quite a few. Of course I live in the US and not the UK, so I can't help with your statistical breakdown. I have flown with both female Captains and FO's.
The same airlines I am familiar with don't have pilot skirts because they don't mix well with yokes. (I actually can't recall about the first airline I worked for, so I could be mistaken but I certainly never recall a female pilot in a skirt. Sadly.)
vgnatl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22219 times:
I'm in the USA so I can't help with your stats either, but I have seen a lot of female pilots. It's certainly still a male dominated industry, but when I worked for OH I was surprised how many female flight crews we had from OH, RP, EV, etc. I've been doing a lot of flying with Republic lately and have seen lots of female crews there too (have had an all female flight crew on more than a few occasions). There's also a pretty decent number of them at 9L.
jetMarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22122 times:
I saw that Air France offers a female skirt uniform piece... my airline only offers trousers. I think most female pilots would opt for pants as they have to sit with a control column/yoke in-between their legs and would be awkward with a skirt to sit with your legs open while keeping your feet on the rudder peddles...
"Sucka, I'm gonna send you out on Knuckle Airlines. Fist Class!!" ~ Mr. T
Lightbug From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21758 times:
I found this quoted out there:
According to FAA:
"As of 2006, just over 6% of certified civilian pilots (both private and commercial) in the U.S. were women."
It does not tell you the percentage of female commercial pilots, but I would assume the percentage would be close to that of private pilots. US statistics only, and somewhat dated. Sorry!
I have actually been flying on two flights crewed by a female only cockpit crew. One was a KLM flight and one was a SAS flight (737-300 and 737-500 respectively). Trousers seemed to be worn in both situations (though I didn't really "check this out" too closely).
I think the participation of women in piloting commercial airliners may be increasing. Though one thought that comes to mind is the difficulty of a pregnancy. Most mothers take time off following a birth as can female pilots of course. No issue there. But I do believe pregnant women are discouraged from flying after the 6th or 7th month of a pregnancy, and in some cases there may have to be a certification from a doctor that flying is safe and low risk. I am sure most airlines have clear policies for both female pilots and flight attendants. I have no details on how these policies apply or if flight crew are even allowed to work at all while pregnant.
But you would think that this could be an issue and a consideration as it would result in more time off than just a maternity leave. Additionally since females still represent the primary caretaker, it might also be a difficult profession to combine with that of a caretaker at home.
skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 440 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20406 times:
Quoting vgnatl747 (Reply 2): but I have seen a lot of female pilots. It's certainly still a male dominated industry, but when I worked for OH I was surprised how many female flight crews we had from OH, RP, EV, etc
Same here. I went to one of John Bendoraitis' "town hall" style meetings in CVG... of course I was the only non-crew member there but I made a few good friends there, one of which was a female pilot (whos name I sadly forget, it's been a while) but she was on our JFK runs quite a bit and they were always delayed so we talked whenever she was in. Really nice person, it was always a pleasure to see her pull up the jetbridge and see her.
planesmith From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19746 times:
Why is the sex of a pilot relevant? Female bus drivers, truck drivers, cab drivers, train drivers don't get a second thought so why should a pilot? It is not more relevant than the colour of their skin or their choice of religion (or not!). It is almost as insulting as questioning why some of the cabin crew are male, not at all an acceptable male environment!!
As to their attire - well I seem to recall a large number wearing skirts when flying. Would one pose the question of a Scots pilot not wearing a kilt?
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19469 times:
To an extent, modern female pilots can be traced back to WWII and the women of Air Transport Auxillary, a thousand-strong organisation that delivered aircraft to the frontline RAF during Britain's darkest hours. Every day, responsibility fell on their shoulders to get the planes to the fighters which often pushed them into dangerous and even deadly situations.
One of the most remarkable features is that once they got past flying trainer planes here there and everywhere, arguably they flew a greater variety of aircraft than any other pilots. And their first flights in each type were solos. They flew into the teens of different aircraft a WEEK, often four different types in a day. Ranging from Spitfires to Wellingtons. One having delivered a heavy bomber was asked where the pilot was. The questioner then searched the aircraft as he did not believe the lady she had flown it.
At least we have come some distance since those times, but immediately after WW II, only one of those women obtained an airline post IIRC.
That programme is showing on QF flights in May 2011 - under documentaries.
vaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18382 times:
I listen to SYD radar and a fair few JQ and Regional Express pilots are female ... I've seen a few DJ female pilots as well, I've even had an all-female crew (F/A and Flight Crew!)
Can't help with the % though!
kiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2166 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18120 times:
Quoting planesmith (Reply 8): Why is the sex of a pilot relevant? Female bus drivers, truck drivers, cab drivers, train drivers don't get a second thought so why should a pilot?
I think the gender is not as relevant as the statistics. It is quite clear that the traditional "male only" environment is well and truly a thing of the past. What is interesting is how long it takes for them to make up the same proportion/representation as other industries, (such as the ones you mention)
Quoting planesmith (Reply 8): As to their attire - well I seem to recall a large number wearing skirts when flying. Would one pose the question of a Scots pilot not wearing a kilt?
The kilt is a moot point. Most Scots are too drunk to fly anyway.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17030 times:
Quoting etherealsky (Reply 11): No need to be offended, OP asks a perfectly fair question. It would be foolish to pretend that aviation isn't a heavily male-dominated field when it comes to flight crews.
I don't think any offence, per sé, was taken, but yet I understand his point entirely........it is more as what is the importance or relevance of it. Indeed, what actually is being discussed? Whilst the question was clearly asked/defined, why has no poster been able to supply the answer, yet the vast majority are very quick in posting that they don't know it? So thus, what is the point in such posts? Sorry, but I fail to understand this seemingly 'importance' of posting to actually say nothing. I just don't get it!
qualitydr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16237 times:
My wife is an engineer. One thing she noticed when entering the workforce was the low number of women doing engineering. That's improving, but low enough that you sometimes still notice. In commercial flight, the numbers are quite a bit lower yet (6% quoted above, 5 yrs ago), so it gets noticed.
I've been on plenty of flights with a female FO, a few with a female Captain, and a couple with an all-woman nose cabin. One observation I've made is, there are almost no female pilots working for the Asian long-haul carriers. (Small sample problem? Or is the imbalance larger there?) I've been on plenty of domestic Chinese flights, but I can't say anything about pilots' genders there; the cockpit doors are never open, and I don't see pilots in the concourses. Flight attendants, plenty; pilots, never.
I read somewhere that the "minor gender" has to get to above 20-25% in a job/profession before folks generally quit noticing the imbalance. Same thing for e.g., nursing, but the other way around. Or daycare.
It's human nature, of a sort...
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15520 times:
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 18): There are quite a few threads on a.net that are even more irrelevant than this one.....
Absolutely agree with you 100%, and sadly the trait seems to be growing. To me the question itself was valid enough (as most questions largely are), but it's the thread/answers which are the irrelevant and laughable part.
AF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14904 times:
Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 21): Lol true. Most kiwis are to busy shagging sheep to fly. In fact those sheepskin cockpit seats must make you feel right at home. Bhhaaaa.
Mwahahahahah good one.
Skirts are rare for obvious reasons (5 point harnesses and yokes).
Female pilots are not THAT rare. There are a few and I'd say that about 1 out of 15 flights I take are flown (partly of course) by a female pilot or captain (I never really remember who spoke on the PA, I just know it's from the cockpit).
An interesting thing I've seen is that I have witnessed women being / looking scared when hearing a female voice on the PA announcing that she will be flying today. Talk about reverse sexism.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8301 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14250 times:
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 22): An interesting thing I've seen is that I have witnessed women being / looking scared when hearing a female voice on the PA announcing that she will be flying today. Talk about reverse sexism.
Lol my gf makes jokes about female pilots too. Whether she believes it or not, idk! lol
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
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