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Boeing 767 - New Lightweight Interior  
User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20604 times:

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=1046882

It seems Boeing is testing a high density layout with a new and very light high cabin ceiling architecture.

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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20546 times:

No overhead bins? That will never catch on.


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20535 times:

Imagine having to travel on that... Be the most disorientating experience! Suppose troops can deal with a lot worse!

Interesting, thanks for sharing  



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User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20419 times:

At first glance, it looks like the layout is 6+2, though it clearly is 2-4-2. I'm curious though, anyone know what the seat pitch is?


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User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20355 times:

This is the new Light-Twin Aisle that Ryan Air is requesting.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20280 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
No overhead bins? That will never catch on.

Aeronautica Militare rules only allow one carry-on and require it to fit under the seat, so.  


User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19984 times:

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 4):
This is the new Light-Twin Aisle that Ryan Air is requesting.

That's right... Mr. O'Leary already stated that they want to charge if you use the overhead bin   


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19650 times:

Not much of an IFE system.

User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19509 times:

That shot reminds me a bit of when I got access to a USAF KC-10 last year, which also had 2-4-2 seating. In fact according to the photo description that is another Air Force cabin, but of an Italian KC-767. Even though times have changed over the years, still not many creature comforts for our troops I'm afraid.  Sad

[Edited 2011-05-30 19:13:56]

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19483 times:

It looks very raw, even for military...

User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19355 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 7):
Not much of an IFE system.

Each soldier will get an iPad during the flight. Problem solved. 


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4781 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19349 times:

Strange shot, 2-4-2 is normally a very cramped layout in a 767 but that doesn't appear to be the case here.


Are you sure this is a 767 ? it looks much wider


Perhaps the floor has been lowered providing more overall width ?? !!

[Edited 2011-05-30 19:34:49]


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19218 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 11):
Strange shot, 2-4-2 is normally a very cramped layout in a 767 but that doesn't appear to be the case here.


Are you sure this is a 767 ? it looks much wider

Pretty sure that is one of the Italian Air Force KC-767s...



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19015 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 11):
Are you sure this is a 767 ? it looks much wider

No it is a 767.
With sidewalls removed you gain some with.
2-4-2 is done commercially on the charter airlines.
It is just perception that it looks wider.


User currently offlineKHPN From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18972 times:

I think I'd lose my mind if I had to ride one of those... Am i the only one who doesnt see windows?
seems like the ultimate sardine can.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2728 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17093 times:

It looks like a combi, where the seats are on pallets. If its a combi, the seats can be removed and pallets rolled in - therefore, no bins. The pallets probably top out just below the cross beam shown.

You can see the photo is taken behind a seat that is centered, like the row is one of the rear rows where the aircraft narrows. So, the wall at the front of the display is probably where the cargo section starts.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2986 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16598 times:
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I have never flown Ryan Air - but from all I read it seems like lowest cost to pax possible and ones who care zero about anything else. Right? So if some families wish to go from Dublin to Lisbon (2 hours or less) and pay €50, then why not? When I back packed through Eastern Europe on the cheapest train ticket - 25 years ago - this would have been luxurious compared to the trains and youth hostels. If Boeing needs to keep the 767 line open and they pumped a few of these out for the sole reason above...so long as it was perfectly safe, then at 21, I'd have done it! And with my buddies we probably would have been laughing the whole ride. I bet Ryan could fill one to Las Vegas! Maybe with a pole dancer on the support beams 


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User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15971 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
No overhead bins?

Less weight per pax = more pax

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
That will never catch on.

more pax same money = cheaper tickets


User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15147 times:

Am I the only one to think it's not that bad? I mean it's raw and not EK or SQ A380 First Suites but other than that, with your iPod, iPad or netbook personal entertainment, it's pretty ok. Wonder if there's Wi-Fi though!  


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14991 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
No overhead bins? That will never catch on.

I long for the day when we have no overhead bins onboard....

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Aeronautica Militare rules only allow one carry-on and require it to fit under the seat

....so they can enforce this rule on civil flights too...I'm sick of these useless tossers that travel with stuff they won't use inflight (the whole purpose of 'hand carriage')... the open hat/coat racks were all that were ever needed..

I really hope this comes into fruition as fuel prices creep higher and airlines are trying to save weight. Sure the civil version will have IFE systems and windows, but I would honestly feel very comfortable onboard the aircraft in picture.


User currently offlineETFokker50 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14781 times:

I wonder what the section on the back of the seat, on the left, with connectors is for. It looks like some sort of gadget could slide in. Anyone know?

User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14631 times:

12-ish hour or so on that bird is all you'd need to start your 6-months Afghan tour in a good mood.

User currently offlinecygnuschicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 19):
....so they can enforce this rule on civil flights too...I'm sick of these useless tossers that travel with stuff they won't use inflight (the whole purpose of 'hand carriage')... the open hat/coat racks were all that were ever needed..

I really hope this comes into fruition as fuel prices creep higher and airlines are trying to save weight. Sure the civil version will have IFE systems and windows, but I would honestly feel very comfortable onboard the aircraft in picture.

Unfortunately, I believe airlines prefer carry-on to checked-luggage. The reasons are simple:
1) You do the work for them, meaning their ground-handling fees for baggage decreases
2) They have cargo space they can then sell for more revenue



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User currently offlineViper911 From Russia, joined Oct 2005, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13149 times:

This picture really shows how much space those overhead bins and the ceiling take on a civilian airplane.

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12740 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 19):
....so they can enforce this rule on civil flights too...I'm sick of these useless tossers that travel with stuff they won't use inflight (the whole purpose of 'hand carriage')... the open hat/coat racks were all that were ever needed..

While I agree that in general people have too much carry-on we should remember that it is a wise decision to not put any valuable stuff in you checked-in baggage as that is certainly to magically vanish at your arrival.



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25 Tod : Oxygen mask location? Aisle width not FAA compliant.
26 aerorobnz : Yes there is that aspect, however on a longhaul flight passengers still usually have both kinds rather than one or the other. Something like AKL-LAX
27 shufflemoomin : Totally agree. People are essentially bringing their suitcase onto the plane now, to save them 10 minutes at the other end. If it's got wheels, it's
28 brightcedars : I think it's the reading lamp...
29 nomadd22 : I don't get it. It's a KC-767 set up for troop transport. Why does anyone think it's a test setup for possible civilian use?
30 SolarFlyer22 : Yeah, this doesn't look compliant. It looks like a flying warehouse.
31 GingerSnap : I was going to say that, until I noted the PAX signs illuminated on the rear of each seat.
32 Post contains images skysurfer : I believe the majority of people here are just saying that *IF* any airlines saw this pic then they *might* have dreams of having that setup for one
33 AA777223 : Do you travel very often? The process of baggage claim and pickup, especially on long haul flights, takes significantly more than 10 minutes, and tha
34 Post contains images travelavnut : I think your tongue-in-cheek-detector needs to be mended Hint; see the winking smiley in the OP
35 mogandoCI : which is bordering on criminal activity. 3-4-3 on the 77W is painful enough, and these charter nutters do 2-4-2 on the 767 and even 3-3-3 on the A330
36 Tomskii : Looks more like a Cargo Aircraft transformed into a military transportation one lol
37 JRadier : Good question, I was wondering about that myself. Might be in the compartment on the right side of the seatback. I'm pretty sure it is, Thomson (amon
38 akelley728 : You are correct. 1. This is a military transport. 2. Charter carriers the world wide have 2-4-2 767s. This is probably WIDER than those because there
39 nomadd22 : That's not it. I just like sounding stupid now and then. Keeps me humble.
40 Post contains images mayor : Yep.....that's what the photo description says. The airlines have only themselves to blame for this. After years and years of lost luggage, people (m
41 Tomassjc : Yes Indeed.... I think that with a huge screen dropping down in front ...AMC/Regal Theatres could launch their new LCC! Minus the "Stadium seating" o
42 CF-CPI : No it's not. This one has seats!
43 JettaKnight : Underwear...?
44 Viscount724 : Very few charter 767s (almost all UK-based) have operated 767s with 2-4-2 seating. which is bordering on criminal activity. 3-4-3 on the 77W is painf
45 Post contains links and images JRadier : Thanks for the feedback on the seatbacks! The only difference I can see between these seats and for example the Thomson aircraft (see photo below) is
46 Pronto : Looks cleaner/quieter/more comfrotable than all the hours I spent in the back of a Herk!! I wouldn't mind that at all!
47 KochamLOT : This is the military interior of the kc767. Nothing new. Seats to sit on to transport the troops.
48 KochamLOT : This is the military interior of the kc767. Nothing new. Seats to sit on to transport the troops.
49 Post contains links Tod : The cutout shape does not match any current mask drop product. Not enough seatback depth for a chemical oxygen generator. (see link) http://ecfr.gpoa
50 Post contains images United1 : Which is why I found it fascinating people were saying it wasn't a 767 Indeed I wish all USMC/Chair Force transports I have been on were that nice.
51 tdscanuck : The whole aircraft doesn't comply with 14 CFR25.anything...I see no particular reason that the seating should. Tom.
52 TSS : The Douglas Palomar seat was the comparison I was going to make. The seatback-mounted reading lamps would seem to be a more effective source of illum
53 Post contains links and images Tod : It might comply with 14CFR25.1301 http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...node=14:1.0.1.3.11.6.192.1&idno=14 Agreed Tod
54 bikerthai : Sidewall are note removed. What you see is a simple sidewall that is similar to freighter sidewalls. The sidewall are mounted to the same aircraft fr
55 Tod : Physical space is not the biggest challeged, it is space to manage the heat release from an activated oxygen generator. Tod
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