kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2469 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21600 times:
I remember when the original A380 delays were announced, one after the other, Singapore Airlines was very unhappy, especially because they had to keep their 747s in service for longer. However, now with the A380 in service for almost 3 and a half years, they seem to be leaving the 747 on the JFK route, with no apparent replacement, and they only recently replaced the 747 on the LAX route. Also, one of the MEL flights was a 747 recently for a while. What is taking them so long?
Has the market for used 747s been saturated to a point where it is just not economical to get rid of them?
tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21613 times:
I beleive SQ has confirmed that all of their pax 744s will be gone by the end of the year. The routes you mentioned will all be replaced by 77Ws though it is possible the MEL-SIN route will be replaced by an upgraded and refurbished 773.
Well if you started counting since the first delivery, it may appear to be a long time, but the remaining frames are all delayed as a result as well, so that also impacted on 744 retirements.
The downswing in 2008-2009 accelerated retirements, but the sudden upswing after that meant they had too little spare capacity to take full advantage. If I recall correctly some retired 744s in the desert were brought back into service?
Anyway now that SQ is going to setup a longhaul LCC, it will be real cool if at least one ends up becoming a flying cattle range!
It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20520 times:
Quoting huaiwei (Reply 3): Well if you started counting since the first delivery, it may appear to be a long time, but the remaining frames are all delayed as a result as well, so that also impacted on 744 retirements.
Just to add that the availability of seats is the last element in an unfortuante series of these delays.
SQ still is rather fast with 744 replacement, LH even with 748I coming soon will keep many of them for another decade.
je89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2368 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20178 times:
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I will definitely miss the SQ B744s when they're gone, quite a great looking aircraft/airline combination if you ask me. Ironically, it's the toughest SQ aircraft to spot in Singapore these days, as they usually come and leave under the cover of darkness.
Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 4):
Some week's ago I saw (Pic on A.Net) that 9V-SMU (s/n 1000) is in TLV for frighter conversion. Does anybody know who the new owner will be?
According to the photo remark, it is going to World Airways Cargo.
aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19819 times:
Two of the B747-400s have been "sold" to Singapore Airlines Cargo and will be converted into B747-412BCF by SIA Engineering Company. 9V-SPA has already been converted and is close to being delivered to SIA Cargo.
SIA's latest fleet list shows only four B744 passenger aircraft.
Stevo310 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18382 times:
For all their comfort, expansive interior and efficiency, as an airliner photographer, the B747-412's of SIA still hold a place dear to my heart, as far as desirability of photographic subjects.
The regular usage of these craft on SQ237 / 228 has been one of my Melbourne Airport photography visit highlights.
I am thankful for many great shots, but for how much longer ???
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16720 times:
Just got off one of their superb 380's from HKG. The June in flight mag says they are down to 4 744's. There were none in Sing when we landed, but 5 of their 380's were on the deck. Last month I believe there were 7 units. How they are managing I do not know, plus the 380 is going on LAX soon, so more 380's must be expected, maybe they have seats and engines?
It will be sad to see the Mega Tops go, only seems like the other day that they were replacing the 300's!!
Yes, agree - and that's why they have to leave passenger service ASAP
otherwise they will really hurt SQs reputation.
As much as I like the 747, I would never book a 747 route like SQ 25/26 again,
unless it's really cheap.
Jetstar315 From Australia, joined Sep 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11193 times:
In reply to B738FlyUIA SQ B747-412 9V-SMU is now owned by Aircastle, the aircraft leasing arm of Fortress Investment Group. New York and it is to be leased to World Airways on completion of conversion to B747-412(BDSF). Its current rego is N417AC
One could say the same about the A380, but I digress ...
I agree with your point that it's sad to see the 744s go. The 744s are the best looking subsonic airliner built, and I think it's a shame that SQ didn't refurbish the interior with the same seats as on the 77W. The interior of those 744s are starting to look worn. SQ's 744s aren't particularly old either, certainly not by 744 standards. 9V-SPO, 9V-SPP and 9V-SPQ were all delivered in 2001, while other airlines have 744s delivered in 1989 still flying (QF and CX, just to name two). They shouldn't be at retirement age, and I hope they find a new home somewhere instead of being sent to the desert.
loalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10795 times:
What about SQs 772 and 773 with the old configurations? I flown SIN-DXB a couple of weeks ago on a rather old 772, to the point where I preferred to change my return flight to EK. Last week I did SIN-SYD, inbound leg on the A388 but the return leg, also scheduled for the A388, had to be performed by another old 773 because "one of the A380s was still grounded in Europe due to operational issues" (I guess it was because of the LHR incident). Business class in these old 777s is a shame for SQ, but now I realize that they actually only have the "new" business class on the minority of their fleet (A388, 77W and A345). Is it supposed to remain like this for long? As long as cabin service itself is still very good, the "new regional", "ultimo" and "spacebed" configurations are rather weak products...
"...this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped."
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10772 times:
Quoting nethkt (Reply 8): Watch out LH 747-400 now THAI 747-400 has PTV in economy!!
Is FRA getting this plane every day? If so, I'm quite disappointed! I had a choice of flying Thai or LH. Since I'm flying Thai to Europe (OSL), I decided to take LH back, as I haven't flown LH (and neither had PTV anyway!)!
tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10999 times:
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 22): The 744s are the best looking subsonic airliner built, and I think it's a shame that SQ didn't refurbish the interior with the same seats as on the 77W.
SQ can afford to be choosey about their fleet and whilst the 744 has been a great workhorse for over 20 years, it can't compete financially with the A380 or 77W. I'm sure QF would love to be able to retire their 744s today but they have nothing to replace them with (ie not enough A380s and no 777s).
The QF 744s are getting expensive to maintain and are becoming unreliable. QF has a major cost issue compared with airlines like SQ and EK. The 744 is part of this problem and with fuel continuing to go up, the cost differential associated with the 744 is worsening.