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Hellenic Imperial A340 Service ATH-LGW-ATH 24/6/11  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 17022 times:

Schedules have appeared for a new service from HIA for A340 service from Athens-London Gatwick-Athens . Flights seem to operate :


FRI Athens to Gatwick 0725 0925 HT 211 340
MON/TUES/WED/THUR AND SUN Athens to Gatwick 0800 1010 HT 211 340


FRI Gatwick to Athens 1050 1650 HT 212 340
MON/TUES/WED/THUR AND SUN Gatwick to Athens 1100 1630 HT 212 340

Various GDS systems have the schedules loaded but the above information is taken from KVS booking tool. ( fair usage policy ) .


No news statement from HIA yet but only a matter of time before they load into their website :

http://www.hellenicairways.com/flight

HIA recently announced at ATH-JFK service also using the same aircraft. 4 A340's will join the fleet.


The first flight will take place from Athens to New York, on Friday, the 24th of June and the return flight will be the day after. The planes, according to Mr. Kessanis, will be four Airbus 340s, constructed from 2001 to 2003. In the VIP class, there will be two levels, with 8 first-class seats which also become beds and another 24 business class seats.

http://usa.greekreporter.com/2011/05/30/new-new-york-athens-airline/

How long the routes will last who knows but it will certainly be interesting to see how they perform for HIA.

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User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 16988 times:

This is such a funny little outfit, all the best to them. At least change the airline's name...

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 16940 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
HIA recently announced at ATH-JFK service also using the same aircraft. 4 A340's will join the fleet.


The first flight will take place from Athens to New York, on Friday, the 24th of June and the return flight will be the day after. The planes, according to Mr. Kessanis, will be four Airbus 340s, constructed from 2001 to 2003.

That's interesting. The latest I heard was that the aircraft would be ex Gulf Air machines, but the ones they have in storage are all -300s from the mid 90s and not in good condition - I thought they were going to be scrapped. They have four -313Xs, but I didn't think it was planned to remove them from service yet, not until their first A330-300s arrived?

Personally I'm still hoping they use the 747-200 instead to begin - they've got 23 days left to get 2/3 A340s in service otherwise... and I don't see it happening.


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 16941 times:

Very true I cant say I liked them or their name but credit where its due. If they manage to make a profit and offer a decent product then they may turn around their perception as a fly by night operation. They have had failed routes in the past including ATH-BHX with B747-200's.

Maybe this time around they are better prepared. JFK was always a major route for OA. Also good to see they have previous OA staff both in the USA and Greece and crew who were very highly trained and have many years of experience.


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 16921 times:

I thought this route would be better served by the A321's they are due to receive.

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 16670 times:

I wont hold my breath...
A343´s?
Ohh phuleezee

//Mike  



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 16618 times:

Is it possible that this is Athens to New York via LGW?

Can't wait to see their planes at Gatwick if this materialises!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16124 times:

They are starting flights to Kuwait as well from ATH - three or four times a week it looks like.

Their LGW-ATH flights are starting from £120o/w and ATH-LGW is €137. £244 return - pricey as a base fare, but still almost £100 cheaper than EasyJet.


Dan  

[Edited 2011-06-02 06:32:04]


...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16104 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
They are starting flights to Kuwait as well form ATH - three or four times a week it looks like.

Their LGW-ATH flights are starting from £120o/w and ATH-LGW is €137. £244 return - pricey as a base fare, but still almost £100 cheaper than EasyJet.

I'll definitely be trying these guys out for my next trip to ATH.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16057 times:

Just dropped their reservations team a line, bookings not open yet but definitely an A340 seat map loaded. So, they have 3 weeks to get hold of at least two of these aircraft and get them in service. Hmmm, this could be interesting...


...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

Hellenic Imperial looks like a typical Greek outfit: Clever but always last minute!

Wish them all the best but not holding my breath here! To establish an airline, you need to plan months in advance, not days or weeks!


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15939 times:

This airline must be a joke.

Quote:
However our vision doesn’t stop at chartering only; we have ambitious plans to expand our fleet and activities in 2011, introducing one-isle aircraft either A320’s series or B737-NG series aircraft and young modern wide-body aircraft; A330 or A340 series or B777-ER series, although B747-400 is not excluded from the options, in order to create a large network of scheduled flights to domestic and international destinations, starting as of June 2011.

So, why not a Concorde or some A380s?  

Funny that they also offer to download their company documents. "Look, we are a reliable airline!"  

I wonder what empire they refer to.

[Edited 2011-06-02 07:23:33]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15918 times:

Four A340s? Two A340s will already suffer from low utilization rates due to just two routes. Now if they are planning to start more routes.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15912 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 11):
So, why not a Concorde or some A380s?

To be honest it's not that which makes me question their ability to actually get up and running - and stay that way. They are not intending to purchase new frames so are reliant on the second hand market, and 340s, 772s and 744s are going to be out there by the dozen in the coming years. That claim isn't unrealistic but keeps their options open.


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

Are those the 4 ex-Olympic Airlines 340s that have been stored in Athens like forever?


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User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15269 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Their LGW-ATH flights are starting from £120o/w and ATH-LGW is €137. £244 return - pricey as a base fare, but still almost £100 cheaper than EasyJet.

Wait, what?

If you book in advance (I checked for September 2011) you can get a LON-ATH-LON from as low as:

easyjet: £118 RETURN
British Airways: £164 RETURN
Aegean: £166 RETURN

that's including all taxes, and looking at non-stops only!



Worked on: A300,310,319,320,321,332,333,342,343,346,380,B732/3/4/5,744,DC10 -- Currently working on: A380 only
User currently offlineolympic707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15174 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Also good to see they have previous OA staff both in the USA and Greece and crew who were very highly trained and have many years of experience.

Ex- OA pilots flying for HIA? That is excellent!   

Who works or service their aircraft? OA mechanics?

They do need to change the name.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 5):
A343´s?
Ohh phuleezee

What's wrong with the A340? I love them, smooth and quiet.


Yanni



Fly Olympic - Aviation GREEK STYLE!
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

Quoting irregking (Reply 15):
Wait, what?

Yes sorry, I was comparing their base fare to the current cheapest I found on the same dates - which happened to be EasyJet, to illustrate that although Helenic's base fare is quite high, they are actually offering quite a bargain.

Apologies if that wasn't terribly clear.


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2297 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14503 times:

How about the 4 A340s that have been sitting in ATH for a few years. I know they obviously need some work done to them, but it seems like a somewhat quick way to get airframes.. I am sure the Greek Govt has been looking for a new owner for those frames for quite some time now..


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Looking ahead at advance bookings for LGW-ATH-LGW in September, prices are still showing up as £244 minimum... who on earth is going to choose this airline?!

User currently offlinekonstantinos From Greece, joined Jun 2001, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13367 times:

Quoting irregking (Reply 15):



EasyJet = you can't get me on them even if you paid me.

Have you checked on other dates? I have checked for July and August and BA, Aegean and Easy are giving double the prices of what Hellenic is. Also lets not forget the comfort one will have on Hellenic's A340 compared to the cramped up others! More space and safety on Hellenic, and all for free onboard too, food, drinks, your baggage!
I think once one flies with this airline you won't want to change. I know I am willing to pay a little extra for all these things and above all SAFETY.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17053 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13309 times:

Quoting konstantinos (Reply 20):
know I am willing to pay a little extra for all these things and above all SAFETY.



Really? You seriously believe that Hellenic is so much safer than BA and EZY?



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User currently offlinepoz2brs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13214 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 18):
How about the 4 A340s that have been sitting in ATH for a few years. I know they obviously need some work done to them, but it seems like a somewhat quick way to get airframes.. I am sure the Greek Govt has been looking for a new owner for those frames for quite some time now..

Hellenic's fleet list does state that they have four A340s pending delivery from Gulf Air, I believe they are the four aircraft going out to lease in this article: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...puts-a340-fleet-on-the-market.html

That would be one way to get rid of the slightly embarrassing decals on A9C-LI I suppose  


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13095 times:

Quoting olympic707 (Reply 16):
Quoting solnabo (Reply 5):
A343´s?
Ohh phuleezee


What's wrong with the A340? I love them, smooth and quiet.

Nothing´s wrong w A343,love them but I dont see how its going to be profitable.

//Mike   



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13032 times:

Quoting konstantinos (Reply 20):
all for free onboard too, food, drinks, your baggage!

You do realise that you indirectly pay for all these things, and more, through your ticket price? Hence, they are not free.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Post contains images olympic707 : Yes, if Hellenic has ex-OA pilots flying the planes. And an all Greek crew. Yanni
26 TUGMASTER : On the german site, Skyliner, they are reporting that Gulf Air A340 A9C-LG c/n 212 has ferried BAH-CHR for paint on 13th June.......... Doesn't look g
27 OA260 : No sign of them yet . Any pics ?
28 Post contains images Owleye : What is Olympic doing with these stored A340s at ATH?
29 debonair : According to Athens airport, LHR CANX for tomorrow. BUT, JFK will fly- I guess with B742! New York (JFK) Hellenic Imperial Airways HT 411 24/6/2011 17
30 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Yes, LGW's launch has been delayed until 1st of July. So they need 2 A340s by then... not going to happen it seems. Dan
31 OA260 : They are using LGW and the first flight is 1st July now showing still as A340.
32 jetdudetim : Their website is now showing August for NYC.
33 abrelosojos : Haha ... this is my favorite airline to watch. BTW, what's with the obviously ripped LH interiors they are featuring on the aircraft? Unless, the bird
34 cedarjet : Had a great flight on Tue morning from Tehran IKA to AMS. Due to US political pressure, European airlines cannot buy fuel in Iran, so my KLM MD-11 sto
35 sunshine79 : Hellenic Imperial have been going for a few years, it's a new route for them.
36 Post contains links huntsman80 : Just a couple of updates for those watching... There has been a recent amendment to the OAG timetable, with the JFK flight now listed as 742 operated
37 huntsman80 : Have just got off the phone with Hellenic head office in Athens and I can confirm this evenings flight to JFK did operate with the 742. With regard to
38 Post contains images PlymSpotter : That is very interesting and promising news, thank you. I think I will aim to fly to ATH on the 3rd and back on the 4th or 5th, if they are still 742
39 huntsman80 : We may bump into each other then, as I'm probably going to book onto the outbound flight on the 3rd but need to be back for work on Monday so will ha
40 OA260 : Indeed your right they have been around for a while. I still have my doubts about them though. I dont think they will be in JFK for the long run but
41 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I'll let you know if I do book onto it. Other flights are expensive, so I'll probably fly both ways... if it flies! Dan
42 OA260 : Look forward to a TR on it . Take lots of pics will be interesting to see what they offer onboard .
43 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Yes definitely, although far from certain that I'm going yet. Need to be cleared to fly for a start by my GP... Dan
44 Loran : Does anyone have an update on the status of their A340s? When will these take over? I just checked the fares for Sunday (3rd) and the return flight LG
45 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Another thing to consider is the strike situation in Greece. All Hellenic flights appear to be cancelled for the next two days, as do almost all dome
46 Vasu : With the prices quoted, they'd better offer the ultimate in luxury!
47 OA260 : Ive found Y prices and they are very good compared to others on the London route.
48 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Indeed, I looked this morning and selected a return for £198 including all taxes - very reasonable. Came back home this afternoon intending to book
49 OA260 : Very bad form indeed. They shouldnt have announced such a route without clear plans. One reason why I will probably never fly them. I was willing to
50 TUGMASTER : Posted in other forum....
51 heebeegb : I know people who have been rerouted LGW-SKG-ATH today after no Hellenic service operating.
52 BasilFawlty : Hellenic is currently wet-leasing an Aurela 737-300, probably to operate the LGW services?
53 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I checked their site last night and no flights were showing, then this morning a friend here passed on an email they received confirming that LGW has
54 DunaA320 : It is, saw it land the other morning when I was waiting for the bus.
55 jetdudetim : New York now has a start date of 28/10/2011. Hmmm.
56 heebeegb : Are you sure? Aurela 733 was at LGW today but operating for JP. Hellenic LGW flights zero'd out every day
57 Post contains links Giancavia : http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/SXTIF.jpg A340 has been painted up.. It's like a mish mash of old finnair and lufthansa and well yuck.
58 OA260 : Its not as bad as I thought quite like it but a gold cheatline would have been better.
59 WesternA318 : LOL, the fact that anyone takes this operation seriously is hilarious, if the USDOT ever let this airline enter US Airspace, I'll give up my US Citize
60 Post contains images BasilFawlty : Well, you can start packing. They've already operated a few ATH-JFK-ATH flights so far with B742 equipment.
61 WesternA318 : Thank goodness I also have my Greek citizenship, lol. I'm in Mauritius as we speak anyways! LOL.
62 Owleye : Is there a crisis going on in Greece? Yuck, bad scheme design indeed.
63 Post contains images OA260 : LOL... Well sell your hut in MRU and donate the profits to your fellow Citizens then
64 poz2brs : They're accepting bookings for the ATH-JFK route now. £1000 in Y, no thank you!
65 WesternA318 : LOL The Greek people are the last people on Earth who deserve any sort of financial ASSisstance. They dug themselves that hole, let them get out of i
66 OA260 : There are cheaper flights it depends on the dates . Correction the corrupt governments did most people did not. My family paid their taxes and worked
67 WesternA318 : That's what I meant. But i have seen so many lazy ass Greeks of the new generation just sit around waiting for their government cheese, it disgusts m
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