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Emirates Inaugural DXB-GVA June 1  
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

EK inaugurated service from DXB to GVA on Wednesday. GVA is their 27th destination in Europe. Flights for the first few weeks use the 777-200LR but later schedules show a mix of -200LR and -300ER depending on the day.

EK89 DXB 0855 GVA 1345
EK90 GVA 1515 DXB 2330

According to the news item below, the first officer on today's inaugural was Swiss.
http://www.ameinfo.com/266895.html

EK was the only significant Middle East-based carrier not serving GVA. Others with GVA service include QR, GF, SV, KU, IR, MS, ME, RJ, LY.

EK had announced plans for GVA service several years ago but they added a 2nd daily flight to ZRH instead.

[Edited 2011-06-01 15:37:49]

[Edited 2011-06-01 15:45:41]

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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

I'm impressed that EK aren't starting this route with the A330-200. They seem very confident that the route will work well from the onset.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Thread starter):
EK was the only significant Middle East-based carrier not serving GVA. Others with GVA service include QR, GF, SV, KU, IR, MS, ME, RJ, LY.

I forgot EY. GVA was one of Etihad's first destinations soon after they began service in 2004.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
I'm impressed that EK aren't starting this route with the A330-200. They seem very confident that the route will work well from the onset.

With so much competition and strong premium traffic to/from GVA, I doubt EK wanted to launch service with their 2nd rate premium products on the A330. They must be the only major carrier in the world with a 7-abreast J class cabin on the A330 (and A340-300). On the other hand, I would much prefer their 2-4-2 A330 Y class seating to their 10-abreast 777s.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
I'm impressed that EK aren't starting this route with the A330-200.

Apart from the ugly product on the A332, the B777-200LR has 278 seats which is just 41 seats more than the A332 and 11 more than the A343.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

A few photos of EK's inaugural GVA arrival and departure on Wednesday (777-200LR).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TonAW1MH2l8/TeaWO0pRrUI/AAAAAAAACss/ezFT02c7Urc/s1600/020.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zn_wj55Zjbk/Tedom4oO1-I/AAAAAAAACs0/BoF3U9z-Sws/s760/043.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xWmCtYyPNmE/Tefl9JDmlpI/AAAAAAAACs8/3isuVU7IfnQ/s1600/034_modifi%25C3%25A9-2.jpg


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
A few photos of EK's inaugural GVA arrival and departure on Wednesday (777-200LR).

I am a bit confused by the thrird photo - the aircraft has a different registration to the one shown in the first two photos. Was there a second flight to accommodate VIPS and media?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
A few photos of EK's inaugural GVA arrival and departure on Wednesday (777-200LR).

I am a bit confused by the thrird photo - the aircraft has a different registration to the one shown in the first two photos. Was there a second flight to accommodate VIPS and media?

Hadn't noticed that. Checked the source below and found the reason. The photo of the departing flight was Thursday's flight (2nd day of operation), while the first two photos are of Wednesday's inaugural, thus the two different aircraft.
http://genevaspotting.blogspot.com/


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3270 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

I'm surprised it's taken EK so long to serve GVA - is there a reason for the long delay when every other ME carrier has been serving GVA for years/decades? Good to see they've finally joined the party, although I imagine everyone else is rolling their eyes at having the share yet another market with EK.


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2981 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 7):
I'm surprised it's taken EK so long to serve GVA - is there a reason for the long delay when every other ME carrier has been serving GVA for years/decades? Good to see they've finally joined the party, although I imagine everyone else is rolling their eyes at having the share yet another market with EK.

They had services to other nearby markets, so likely thought that it was suffienct service to the region for that time. Certainly seems that they realised quite late that GVA was a route they had to join in on, and its good to see them finally arrive. Given the amount of M/E competition now into that market, it will be a very interesting time ahead to see how it all pans out.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 7):
I'm surprised it's taken EK so long to serve GVA - is there a reason for the long delay when every other ME carrier has been serving GVA for years/decades?

In 2005 when EK first announced plans for GVA service to start December 1, 2005, I think the Switzerland-UAE bilateral was quite restrictive in terms of capacity and frequency. They apparently decided that adding a 2nd daily flight to ZRH (which started a little less than a year later in October 2006) would be more profitable than adding the GVA route. The bilateral has since been liberalized.

EK's announced reason for dropping the earlier GVA plan was a shortage of aircraft. It was discussed at the time in this thread:
Emirates To Delay Some European Destinations (by Beaucaire Apr 20 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Also have to keep in mind that 6 of the 10 Middle East-based carriers that serve GVA don't serve ZRH. I expect EK may have determined that, considering the relatively small size of the GVA market (GVA's population is less than 500,000 and the overall catchment area on both sides of the Swiss/French border about 800,000) they might be better advised to use their then limited extra frequencies in markets with less competition.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I expect EK may have determined that, considering the relatively small size of the GVA market (GVA's population is less than 500,000 and the overall catchment area on both sides of the Swiss/French border about 800,000) they might be better advised to use their then limited extra frequencies in markets with less competition.

Unlike most secondary markets that EK serves in Europe, I expect this one to have lots of o&d in DXB... We all know the taste of wealthy Middle East people for luxury products, which are (to say the least) significant to Geneva's economy... Which is why you see smaller airlines such as GF, KU, SV etc... (who have been serving the prestigious Swiss city for ages, way before EK EY QR and all that jazz...)
Hence probably why EK venture on the new route with the 77L/W instead of the less classy (in J) A330. I have no doubt the front cabin will sell very well... And the Asia-bound Swiss/French tourists will fill the back = successful route.



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User currently offlineMalayil From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I know this is slightly off topic but there was word that the UAE-France bilateral was liberalized slightly. Is EK thinking of serving LYS in addition to more frequencies to CDG?

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