something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8142 times:
Quoting airkas1 (Reply 3):
It's a testflight after maintenance. Happens every so often, usually they go to SVG/BLL. Sometimes afterwards, they visit our airport for a very low approach
Are you sure about that? For some reason, most 'testflights' remain within the airspace of a given country, ie Airbus won't go outside Germany's or France's airspace, LHT will remain within the limits of Germany as well etc. Most of these flights get cleared 'Helgoland' and then do their shows somewhere over the North Sea.
Training flights however underlie no such rule, but maybe KLM's maintenance flights don't either? Would be interesting to know!
YYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8073 times:
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Quoting something (Reply 7): For some reason, most 'testflights' remain within the airspace of a given country
Not sure how it works in the EU but over here there is a difference between a test flight and a MX ferry flight. If it is a MX ferry flight we need permits, permission from the manufacturer and Transport Canada, as well as permits from all of the nations we overfly. Test flights are test flights and have no such restriction because the Aircraft has been certified as airworthy, and therefore if a fault is detected it is just as if there is a fault detected on a revenue flight. (though I am not an AME so I could have it wrong, just a lowly dispatcher)
Usually they go to the North Sea for their airwork (they would be in contact with SVG ACC) and will then practise a couple of T&G's at Billund (in contact with BLL TWR/APP). Sometimes, on the way wack to Schiphol, they stop by our airport (which is how I know this). I just read the E-mail attachment about this flight again and it confirmed what I wrote above.
WesternFlyer From Norway, joined Sep 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7445 times:
This is actually not the first time these test-flights have reached as far as Norway. It have happened at least three times before. And it have also been covered here on the forum as well.
This time we had it circling over our area for about two hours before it gradually descended very slow and finally performed two touch and go's at SVG before it headed back to AMS. There were a lot of spotters out allready and when the buzz about the jumbo grew bigger things got very interresting. Here is a video of the event.
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1311 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 5): They have to go all the way up to Norway to do flight checks/Trg flights? Wow. I'd have thought they could go somewhere closer. Why do they go all that distance?
Quoting airkas1 (Reply 9): Usually they go to the North Sea for their airwork (they would be in contact with SVG ACC) and will then practise a couple of T&G's at Billund (in contact with BLL TWR/APP).
With some insight in KLM:s 747-400 pilottraining I can say that some of the touch and goes required for pilot transition training on the 747-400 often take place at Billund. Perhaps they combine technical releases after checks with some pilot training...