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KLM 7021 Circling SW Norway, Squawk 6102  
User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

KLM 7021, a B747-400, has been circling over south west Norway, close to Stavanger, for quite some time. Some of the time, it squawked 6102, but I cannot find any info about that.

Check http://www.flightradar24.com/ , sometimes it goes out of coverage.

Anybody knows what's going on? Diverting to Stavanger after fuel dump?

[Edited 2011-06-02 09:42:37]


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

It's flight plan is filed from AMS to AMS. Therefore I would guess this is some form of test flight, and not a regular scheduled service.


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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

They do pilot training there. Touch and goes and low approaches and what have you.


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User currently offlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3986 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

It's a testflight after maintenance. Happens every so often, usually they go to SVG/BLL. Sometimes afterwards, they visit our airport for a very low approach  

User currently offlinenuckleuz From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

The aircraft in question is PH-BFN.

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
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They have to go all the way up to Norway to do flight checks/Trg flights? Wow. I'd have thought they could go somewhere closer. Why do they go all that distance?


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 5):
They have to go all the way up to Norway to do flight checks/Trg flights? Wow. I'd have thought they could go somewhere closer. Why do they go all that distance?

Presumably, the congestion closer to the Netherlands isnt all that favourable!

KL even used to send their 747's to Shannon, Ireland for training.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 3):

It's a testflight after maintenance. Happens every so often, usually they go to SVG/BLL. Sometimes afterwards, they visit our airport for a very low approach

Are you sure about that? For some reason, most 'testflights' remain within the airspace of a given country, ie Airbus won't go outside Germany's or France's airspace, LHT will remain within the limits of Germany as well etc. Most of these flights get cleared 'Helgoland' and then do their shows somewhere over the North Sea.

Training flights however underlie no such rule, but maybe KLM's maintenance flights don't either? Would be interesting to know!



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
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Quoting something (Reply 7):
For some reason, most 'testflights' remain within the airspace of a given country

Not sure how it works in the EU but over here there is a difference between a test flight and a MX ferry flight. If it is a MX ferry flight we need permits, permission from the manufacturer and Transport Canada, as well as permits from all of the nations we overfly. Test flights are test flights and have no such restriction because the Aircraft has been certified as airworthy, and therefore if a fault is detected it is just as if there is a fault detected on a revenue flight. (though I am not an AME so I could have it wrong, just a lowly dispatcher)



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User currently offlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3986 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Quoting something (Reply 7):
Are you sure about that?

Very sure.
Usually they go to the North Sea for their airwork (they would be in contact with SVG ACC) and will then practise a couple of T&G's at Billund (in contact with BLL TWR/APP). Sometimes, on the way wack to Schiphol, they stop by our airport (which is how I know this). I just read the E-mail attachment about this flight again and it confirmed what I wrote above.

[Edited 2011-06-02 11:10:59]

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

Nice   Thanks for the insight!


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User currently offlineWesternFlyer From Norway, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

This is actually not the first time these test-flights have reached as far as Norway. It have happened at least three times before. And it have also been covered here on the forum as well.

This time we had it circling over our area for about two hours before it gradually descended very slow and finally performed two touch and go's at SVG before it headed back to AMS. There were a lot of spotters out allready and when the buzz about the jumbo grew bigger things got very interresting. Here is a video of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEh7oe3Zxx4


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting WesternFlyer (Reply 11):

Awesome! Thanks for the video and the information!

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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1207 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 5):
They have to go all the way up to Norway to do flight checks/Trg flights? Wow. I'd have thought they could go somewhere closer. Why do they go all that distance?
Quoting airkas1 (Reply 9):
Usually they go to the North Sea for their airwork (they would be in contact with SVG ACC) and will then practise a couple of T&G's at Billund (in contact with BLL TWR/APP).

With some insight in KLM:s 747-400 pilottraining I can say that some of the touch and goes required for pilot transition training on the 747-400 often take place at Billund. Perhaps they combine technical releases after checks with some pilot training...



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