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QF DFW-BNE-SYD - Why Not DFW-HNL-SYD?  
User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14161 times:

I've followed all the QF DFW threads on here recently and apologize if I missed this thought and any subsequent discussion.

Years ago QF used HNL to refuel on some segments to LAX. (Not sure they do anymore.) Anyway, in regards to the DFW-SYD route with the Westbound stop... QF is apparently departing DFW to SYD via BNE with 50 seats empty and virtually no freight other than pax baggage due to weight issues.

Why not load up a full flight and belly and stop in HNL? According to gcmap.com, HNL would only add 70 miles to the trip. (I checked both statute and nautical.) DFW-BNE-SYD is 8,770 miles while DFW-HNL-SYD is 8,851 miles.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=dfw-hnl-syd,+dfw-bne-syd

Surely a HNL refueling stop would allow QF to run these planes completely full, add any freight and avoid unscheduled early fuel stops prior to BNE. It would not add any stops to the current westbound routing and would add negligible time to this long route.

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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14126 times:

probably for the prestige of serving DFW-Australia non stop, that would be my guess

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14078 times:

They wouldn't be allowed to carry any passengers on the HNL-DFW-HNL legs. They can and do however sell tickets from and to BNE. Indirectly, that also strengthens their Australian network.


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User currently onlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14082 times:
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
BTW, thanks for starting another thread that does not seen to to go away. Now you are going to get people talking about what type of aircraft QF should be using.

...and how inept their management is


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14038 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
Simple answer that was covered many times. First, QF cannot pick up passengers and carry them from HNL-DFW. This would violate cabatoge. Second, premium passengers in F/J do not want to stop, they want the quickest way to their final destination and pay for that privilage.

Not as simple as you would have believe. 1) No-one mentioned cabotage, nor would it be necessarily be a relevant factor. 2) Not definitively correct at all, and far from it - indeed can you maybe then explain the case of such a pax whose destination is Sydney or does your theory find a way around the stop in Brisbane????. Thus, the simple answer was only opinion and nothing more.


User currently offlineDFW36L From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 89 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14012 times:
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Flying DFW-BNE allows passengers to have lots of connections opportunities at BNE, avoiding having to connect through SYD, if they are going onward within Australia, so it's a better solution.


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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13959 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
First, QF cannot pick up passengers and carry them from HNL-DFW. This would violate cabatoge.

I understand that, I wasn't mentioning QF running a domestic U.S. DFW-HNL route, just stopping in HNL to top off for fuel.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
thanks for starting another thread

You're welcome.

Quoting DFW36L (Reply 6):
Flying DFW-BNE allows passengers to have lots of connections opportunities at BNE, avoiding having to connect through SYD, if they are going onward within Australia, so it's a better solution.

Are there better connection options in BNE than SYD?


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13784 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Thread starter):
QF is apparently departing DFW to SYD via BNE with 50 seats empty and virtually no freight other than pax baggage due to weight issues.

Why not load up a full flight and belly and stop in HNL?

I suggest you change your wording. This, to me, refers to picking up paxs and cargo in HNL and continuing onto DFW or the oposite diestion..

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 5):
Not as simple as you would have believe. 1) No-one mentioned cabotage, nor would it be necessarily be a relevant factor. 2) Not definitively correct at all, and far from it - indeed can you maybe then explain the case of such a pax whose destination is Sydney or does your theory find a way around the stop in Brisbane????. Thus, the simple answer was only opinion and nothing more.

reread his post. I am pretty confident and I do not consider it my opinion.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

The current routing allows QF to establish their DFW service as nonstop to Australia (not necessarily SYD) which from a marketing standpoint is better than a one-stop in one direction. Eventually, if the flight succeeds, the proper long range aircraft will be swapped out for a nonstop to/from SYD in both directions. It would be part of a long term strategy. I am sure QF did a cost analysis and determined the payload restrictions westbound was worth the BNE stop.

User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 7):
Are there better connection options in BNE than SYD?

It's not better than SYD, but you can get to basically anywhere in Australia from there.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 7):
I understand that, I wasn't mentioning QF running a domestic U.S. DFW-HNL route, just stopping in HNL to top off for fuel.

Look at it this way... DFW to SYD pax are gonna have to make 1 stop somewhere, and it doesn't matter if it's BNE or HNL. Stopping in BNE is better because it allows anybody actually going to Brisbane fly nonstop, and allows anybody going elsewhere in Australia to make it 1-stop instead of 2.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
BTW, thanks for starting another thread that does not seen to to go away.

Quit nagging. This is a discussion site. If you're tired of it/said your piece/just don't care... then don't click on this one.
How utterly ridiculous to get worked up about somebody starting a thread.


User currently offlineDC10@DFW From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13589 times:

It seems to me that the stop at BNE is all for prestige of having a non-stop flight from DFW to Australia, but it makes so much logical sense to have a brief re-fueling stop at HNL and continue on to SYD without any weight penalties.

User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13315 times:

But do J class PAX on from BNE, SYD, MEL or AKL mind stopping in LAX when traveling to JFK? Why not make the route SYD-HNL-DFW-HNL-SYD and have the HNL-DFW-HNL route for transiting passengers only? The only difference in this is that HNL only has a SYD service. But how bad does it look for QF to be making technical stops all the time between DFW-BNE? I wouldnt mind scheduled HNL stopover than a 'technical stop'. Then the aircraft type can change also.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8094 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13304 times:
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The stop on the way to Aussie should be Auckland, they probably do not stop there since it would be 2 or 3 hours before Brisbane and in the middle of the night.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13235 times:

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 10):

Look at it this way... DFW to SYD pax are gonna have to make 1 stop somewhere, and it doesn't matter if it's BNE or HNL. Stopping in BNE is better because it allows anybody actually going to Brisbane fly nonstop, and allows anybody going elsewhere in Australia to make it 1-stop instead of 2.

Bingo.

Stopping in HNL really doesn't make much sense as you're going to have to stop somewhere, and you might as well stop in Australia so that connecting passengers don't have to make two stops. Not to mention as it is currently, it would still be a non-stop for passengers whose destination is BNE.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
BTW, thanks for starting another thread that does not seen to to go away. Now you are going to get people talking about what type of aircraft QF should be using.

Wow, that was completely unnecessary. If you don't like the topic of the thread, don't participate.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 12):
But do J class PAX on from BNE, SYD, MEL or AKL mind stopping in LAX when traveling to JFK?

What difference does it make if you stop in DFW or LAX?



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13187 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 8):
Quoting gdg9 (Thread starter):
QF is apparently departing DFW to SYD via BNE with 50 seats empty and virtually no freight other than pax baggage due to weight issues.

Why not load up a full flight and belly and stop in HNL?

I suggest you change your wording. This, to me, refers to picking up paxs and cargo in HNL and continuing onto DFW or the oposite diestion..

It was pretty clear to me what was meant.  
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
The stop on the way to Aussie should be Auckland, they probably do not stop there since it would be 2 or 3 hours before Brisbane and in the middle of the night.

AKL is further than BNE from DFW. I don't think a 744ER could do it.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7329 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13168 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 15):
AKL is further than BNE from DFW. I don't think a 744ER could do it.

Not accurate Im afraid. AKL is almost 900 closer to DFW than BNE. A 744 could do it.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=dfw-bne%0D%0Adfw-akl&MS=wls&DU=mi



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8094 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13111 times:
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Quoting connies4ever (Reply 15):
AKL is further than BNE from DFW. I don't think a 744ER could do it.

How can Auckland be further from DFW when its 3 hours flying time eastward from Sydney ? The new Continental flight with a 787( if it happens) is 14 hours from Houston to Auckland nonstop, so DFW to AKL would be in teh same time frame, give or take 20 minutes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12959 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
Quoting Fuling (Reply 12):
But do J class PAX on from BNE, SYD, MEL or AKL mind stopping in LAX when traveling to JFK?

What difference does it make if you stop in DFW or LAX?

When they connect in LAX they're flying on a QF A330 LAX-JFK, with the same standard of inflight service they had on the longhaul QF sector to LAX, not on an AA codeshare flight with AA's domestic product. I think QF's J class product on the A330 is significantly better than AA's domestic F class on an MD-80 or 737-800.


User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12549 times:

Transiting any US port completely destroys the entire purpose of the DFW flight. AKL would be the only realistic/viable option.


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User currently offlinenonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

For what it is worth, I do ultimately believe either the routing or equipment type could change. The route is still very new, so QF is likely analyzing the costs, benefits, record of diversions, on-time performance, etc. As it stands, DFW-BNE and DFW-SYD are very close to the range of the current aircraft type, therefore there is little to no margin for rerouting or being placed into holding patterns without being forced to divert. As far as I know, there have only been two diversions: one eastbound at IAH due to weather in DFW, and one westbound to NOU due to stronger than anticipated headwinds.

I do believe the route will stay due to the sheer number of connections offered at DFW. Initial reports seem to indicate that the route is successful in terms of load factor and the amount of bookings the flights have already received.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6910 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12401 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
The stop on the way to Aussie should be Auckland, they probably do not stop there since it would be 2 or 3 hours before Brisbane and in the middle of the night.

It almost did come to AKL the flight before the one that went to NOU. the aircraft was OEJ. That would have been pretty similar to all the other longhaul north american arrivals with their timings think we were preparing for about 0530 departure but it decided it could make it.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12337 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
When they connect in LAX they're flying on a QF A330 LAX-JFK, with the same standard of inflight service they had on the longhaul QF sector to LAX, not on an AA codeshare flight with AA's domestic product. I think QF's J class product on the A330 is significantly better than AA's domestic F class on an MD-80 or 737-800.

I agree, which is why I was puzzled that he was implying that stopping in DFW is preferable to LAX. I'd rather stop in LA for the reasons you mentioned.



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User currently offlineFlyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12257 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
When they connect in LAX they're flying on a QF A330 LAX-JFK, with the same standard of inflight service they had on the longhaul QF sector to LAX, not on an AA codeshare flight with AA's domestic product. I think QF's J class product on the A330 is significantly better than AA's domestic F class on an MD-80 or 737-800.

But in the future when QF gets its 787-9's, they'll be able to add more non-stop flight between Australia and DFW. There would then be an opportunity for QF to fly DFW-JFK the way they currently fly LAX-JFK. Perhaps they could even add a DFW-ORD flight too.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12259 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 22):
I agree, which is why I was puzzled that he was implying that stopping in DFW is preferable to LAX. I'd rather stop in LA for the reasons you mentioned.

If you book out of JFK for SYD the system will route you via LAX. If you are out of PHL for PER the system will route you via DFW and BNE. The DFW flight is not a new way to SYD, it is to make use of AA's hub, for ports that did not have direct flight to LAX and it's utilising the connection opportunities from BNE.


User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

ORD will see NZ or QF someday, with 787's.

25 gemuser : Wouldn't bet on QF. gemuser
26 sccutler : Hmph. QF re-routed my sister's return from DFW through LAX, told her flight was "overbooked." Then AA flight to LAX was delayed, so she was rebooked o
27 zkncj : Being in the middle of the night wouldn't stop an aircaft stopping at AKL, which is pretty much a 24/7 airport Example of tonight 2310 QF113 MEL 2310
28 Chinook747 : I would also think that QF is trying to stay clear of HNL as it mainly draws leisure traffic and not the J customers that keep routes to Australia pro
29 ha763 : It is clear what the OP meant, as highlighted by the section in bold. Going back to the question, HNL would seem to be a logical stop over. QF would
30 thegeek : Yes, but only better than NAN due to better connections to BNE, OOL and MEL. Connections to ADL and PER are NZ, so star alliance. The only way that w
31 Post contains images motorhussy : I'd have taken the delay and flight change for the 'modest' upgrade
32 Post contains images connies4ever : Must have taken my dumb pill today. Better read the label on the bottle before I swallow it. I stand corrected.
33 ZK-NBT : I'd have to say AKL seems the most logical place to stop over. Offers 1 stop DFW/ BNE, MEL, SYD would arrive AKL around 0530 with AKL-DFW probably lea
34 sccutler : Even the opportunity to fly the Pacific in business class in lieu of coach might not be enough to tempt me, if a change of plane at LAX is the cost.
35 gemuser : No, it is NOT! No stop over is logical, the route won't work with a stopover, it must be operated non stop to achieve QF/AAs goals. BUT, of course th
36 tayser : The most logical thing for QF to do is, when the 787s arrive: BNE-LAX (equipment change) daily 787. BNE-DFW (new flight) 3-4x weekly 787 SYD-LAX-(JFK
37 777STL : Right. We were discussing flying from OZ to JFK, which connecting through DFW seems inferior to LAX in that scenario.
38 NYCFlyer : I would argue that BNE is far superior to SYD, if SYD is not your final destination. I fly JFK-MEL often, and SYD is a horrible place to transit beca
39 zkpilot : No, NAN is a s**thole airport compared to AKL (no offence to our Fijian friends meant). Also fuel is more expensive there, it is hot n humid (not ple
40 Stitch : I don't see how a HNL stop would benefit QF for ex-DFW passengers. You might as well have kept on doing what they did, which was fly AA metal from DFW
41 gemuser : Stitch I seem to have lost all my A380/B787 range charts in a recent move. If you have them handy, how would the current and post 2012 A380s and the
42 Post contains images Stitch : I don't have anything official for the 787, but the one I believe Widebodyphotog did way back when shows a 27t payload for a 787-8 and a 33t payload
43 cslusarc : 1.) I'd rather see QF fly BNE-DFW nonstop in both directions than SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD in a circle if SYD-DFW cannot be flown nonstop in both direction due
44 Stitch : I expect BNE was not chosen out of a hat, but because of all the places QF could stop for fuel on a westbound mission from DFW to Australia, BNE offe
45 thegeek : Good points. I question the value of the trans Tasman freight (which I assume is more eastbound than westbound) though. I suppose the AKL crew base c
46 tayser : AKL-MEL is: QF 3x daily JQ 1x daily
47 Kent350787 : BNE-MEL is: QF 10x daily JQ 1x daily BNE-AVV is: JQ 1x daily
48 thegeek : That's right, I remember that changing now. Used to be 1x 737 + 1x 744, but changed to 3x 737 around the time AKL-LAX went from 744 to A332. Not sure
49 ha763 : I know it is not. That is why I said:
50 zkpilot : Actually its more Westbound... NZL exports to Oz (produce etc). I was thinking SYD-AKL-DFW-AKL-SYD or MEL-AKL-DFW-AKL-MEL AKL crew would either do AK
51 gemuser : Despite it being discussed above, you still don't get it!!! SYD-DFW-SYD MUST BE NON STOP!!! ANY intermediate point wrecks the utility of the route. Y
52 koruman : It will probably all end with an HNL stop on all westbound flights simply because the 744ER has shown itself to be mission-incapable even at a reduced
53 Stitch : The only airplane not mission-incapable is the 777-200LR and QF doesn't have any of those in their fleet and I doubt they'd buy three (two for the da
54 thegeek : I agree. There would be some DFW-BNE pax, but I'd imagine not many. Those that are, probably go out via LAX. It would be the same if the flight went
55 koruman : Agreed, which is why they should have stayed within the limitations of their fleet, rather than opening a fantasy route that they lacked the ability
56 Kent350787 : Why would I do two stops each way to Boston when I could do one on the way over and then, for the time being, at least the second one on the way back
57 koruman : Seems to have proved that the route would only be possible with a fleet of 77Ls which Qantas does not have. A route disproving exercise, if you like!
58 Kent350787 : Not sure what you meant by this one - perhaps DFW-BNE-SYD for the second point? No contradiction at all - SYD-DFW-SYD is the main game, but QF do not
59 Airvan00 : So far the DFW-BNE route has been flown 13 times with only one diversion and that was the time that the aircraft with an extra 4000kg of paint flew th
60 IndianicWorld : That would be adventurous. I really can not see DFW being anything but a SYD-DFW route. MEL and BNE non-stops will continue to operate to LAX, with p
61 gemuser : Why? Doing this does not maximise the potential of DFW. You also really don't get it. DFW is for the EAST of the Rockies market. The only question ab
62 alangirvan : The first few weeks of this new service - are they worse than the first few weeks of the Pan Am 747SP service to the South Pacific? When those service
63 IndianicWorld : Thats abit of a strange thing to try and potray, but each to their own :lol: Fact is, QF being as conservative as they are, and the fact theat they a
64 Kent350787 : Interesting - qantas.com.au has the DFW flight as the first option in both directions.
65 truemanQLD : Why is everyone calling it a disaster already? They have had ONE diversion (and a weather diversion but that is unavoidable no matter what aircraft).
66 Airvan00 : I just tried qantas.com.au and it gave me AA223 + QF108 and the return QF107+AA264 (both via LAX) as the first option I guess it depends on the vagar
67 mariner : When I lived on the east coast of the US I never considered the Rockies as an issue when I was going to Australia or NZ, and if I was having a stopov
68 AirGabon : They must keep the current DFW-NOU-BNE-SYD... But why not a DFW-NOU-SYD (with a refueling/tech stop in NOU)?
69 AirNZ : He, me or others, don't get what exactly? What has the Rockies got to do with where someone is going? Are you telling me that if I happen to be going
70 Airvan00 : Depends on the number of flights you need to take to get to LAX or DFW to connect. What some people don't get is that there is more connections on AA
71 CXB77L : At the moment, no other aircraft has the same range capabilities as the 77L: not the A345, not the A359, and not the 789. The A359R and the 789ER are
72 LAXdude1023 : The attractive thing about DFW is the number of destinations and flights that it offers that far out numbers what AA has on the West Coast. DFW is AA
73 Flyingsottsman : What time does QF arrive in HNL now from SYD? Are their HNL flights day time arivals now? So MEL AKL LAX, the MEL AKL part of that flight is a 738 ri
74 zkpilot : Must be non-stop ONCE QF gets its 787s. Before then since there is no competition on the route going via AKL is sensible. As it is most of the time t
75 AirNZ : Of course it was your opinion and nothing more! Which part do you seem to think otherwise? Firstly, the OP never remotely mentioned cabotage......you
76 Post contains images Kent350787 : Not sure I see the logic for this when the current equipment has the range for SYD-DFW with no questions? And QF is the Sydney airline, as we all kno
77 zkpilot : except that it doesn't...
78 nonrevman : I would say that LAX might be preferable if your final destination is in the Rockies or west of them. DFW would not be the best option due to the bac
79 koruman : Let's be realistic about this. Air New Zealand has discovered on its novelty flights in and out of Sydney that SYD-SFO and SYD-LAX are right at the li
80 Kent350787 : I still don't get this - where have there been tech stops SYD-DFW (and the weather related diversion to IAH can't count, surely)
81 thegeek : Other than it being a 332, not a 333, then correct.
82 ha763 : When it is QF, the arrival is scheduled at 09:25. When it is JQ, the arrival is 07:45, execpt for Sunday, when it is 06:45. The departure is around 2
83 koruman : OK, let's go through this step by step. Firstly, even at full payload the 747-400 is an inefficient aircraft to fly the Pacific - which is why Air New
84 Kent350787 : koruman - many fair comments there, and I've certainly considered SYD-AKL-LAX on NZ as a very attractive option. Your comments in relation to luggage
85 flyinghighboy : if I wasn't such a loyal QF flyer/points earner I'd be going Air NZ with a heart beat for easier flights to SF. Flying from MEL, option was either SYD
86 thegeek : I must be missing something. How is it easier to get to SAN via AKL than taking BNE-LAX? Miami, Indianapolis and Boston would only be better via AKL
87 gemuser : Not if you are flying Y class. Those 10 abreast are IMHO worth the trouble of transiting LAX to avoid! Gemuser
88 Mr AirNZ : As usual using half the facts to tell the whole story. Not totally relevant for this topic but dare we mention that the 744's are going on to SFO and
89 IndianicWorld : Full agree. Not a fan of a 10 abreast 777. No chance. SYD-DFW is achieved already so its not even a consideration.
90 koruman : Easy. Last October I flew into LAX and it took me five hours to get my luggage, get a rental car and drive down to San Diego. On my next trip, I leav
91 thegeek : Alright. Sounded to me like you were doing BNE-AKL, but if flying out of OOL (or CNS) that could change some things. five hours between getting off th
92 sccutler : Dude. Have you changed planes at LAX lately? Every possible element of the experience is better at DFW.
93 ADent : Why HNL? DFW-ELP-SYD and DFW-PHX-SYD and even DFW-LAX-SYD are all shorter than DFW-HNL-SYD.
94 Flyingsottsman : Thanks HA763 I want to do that flight on my flight simulator. ok yeah, I was woundering if QF was still using the A330 on the MEL AKL LAX service. I
95 thegeek : It's changed a few times. I'm pretty sure it went back to A332 to free up the 744 to fly SYD-NRT. Perhaps if that goes back to A330 as rumoured the 7
96 zkpilot : It is not flying full, bags are being left behind... sure if QF is purely doing this as a loss-leader before its 787s arrive then its worth a go. I t
97 Fuling : Has a SYD-DFW flight been diverted yet?
98 ha763 : Looking at the history of QF8 on Flightaware, 9 of the 16 flights so far operated are flying over Hawaii. All of the flights so far in June are flying
99 AJ : Yes, to IAH due to weather at DFW.
100 AirNZ : It might well be......or it might not be, and depends entirely on the person. Such a statement above is only a subjective opinion and nothing else. I
101 DTWLAX : Well the AA terminal is next to TBIT... a very short bus ride barely lasting 2 minutes
102 gigneil : It isn't all that far off actually. I'm actually really curious about the motivation behind IAH-AKL specifically.... I'd think there are a lot better
103 LAXdude1023 : The bus runs counter-clockwise so it takes closer to 10. Either way, having to get on a bus at all is annoying in my opinion.
104 Post contains images Simes : I would have thought that the US bound leg is aimed at Oz based business who want to get into the US and then transfer from there - there is an opinio
105 AirNZ : Respectfully disagree, and you appear to be confusing a greater number of possible destinations from DFW (actually rather irrelevant if one doesn't n
106 commavia : Well, respectfully, I disagree with you. First off, DFW does offer a dramatically larger number of connections to/from Australia. It is hardly irrele
107 hohd : Some one from IAH or other big cities which are connected to LA, I would not go on QF flight from DFW to SYD, rather would go through LAX, they have m
108 LAXdude1023 : I can understand that on the westbound, but you would have to be crazy to choose LAX over DFW on the Eastbound flight if IAH is your final destinatio
109 DTWLAX : So, Terminal 4 is the next immediate stop after TBIT. So no problems there. And if you have to connect from Terminal 4 to TBIT, just walk 5 minutes i
110 MileHighOffice : And then spend an hour in the TSA line at night at TBIT? Security line at TBIT for night departures can be ridiculous. Some of the passengers heading
111 GlobalCabotage : IAH-AKL would connect two Star hubs. I'm not sure of the traffic between New Zealand and the US / Canada / Mexico / other connection points, but I wou
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