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ATL To Expand Concourse D  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Today, it was just announced that ATL will be expanding Concourse D. While there are no new gates being added, the addition will improve passenger flow, add more space for stores and restaurants, and improve access to The Plane Train.

Read about it here:
http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo.../Press_Release_Article.aspx?id=760

Still, it remains to be seen whether CO/UA will consolidate all ops to Concourse D, or consolidate all ops to Concourse T. DL would probably love to get their hands on more of the T gates, since they are capable of handling 767s.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8867 times:

...and the City Council has ordered them to expand for A380 services, and they will be complying.

NS


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 1):



...and the City Council has ordered them to expand for A380 services, and they will be complying.

NS

Already discussed in this thread:
ATL Prepares For A380 (by Atlwest1 May 12 2011 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

That one is archived and misses the point I think. I'm not clear that it was a new and wise Yoda in charge of the airport.

NS


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1064 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

That is great news, given how much DL has expanded its utilization of D in recent years. Now if only there were a way to add some additional seating at some of the gates on D.

Is DL still adding a Sky Club on D? Does anyone know the status of that project?


User currently offlineWABENNER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
While there are no new gates being added, the addition will improve passenger flow,

There is the hint there to all the nay sayers who said WN wouldnt grow ATL. WN will have gates on C and D. Currently FL underutilizes ATL opening up opportunity for WN to grow without adding gates. 2-3 million additional pax per year is what WN is aiming for over FL current baseline.


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8587 times:

Quoting WABENNER (Reply 5):
There is the hint there to all the nay sayers who said WN wouldnt grow ATL. WN will have gates on C and D. Currently FL underutilizes ATL opening up opportunity for WN to grow without adding gates. 2-3 million additional pax per year is what WN is aiming for over FL current baseline.

It didn't mention that in the article, but I have no reason to doubt you. How many gates exactly?
Is there a special reason for the construction being done on Concourse D? I can't wait to pay another visit in 2014 to see it!      



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User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8352 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 4):
Is DL still adding a Sky Club on D? Does anyone know the status of that project?

Construction continues and should be complete next month.

Quoting WABENNER (Reply 5):
There is the hint there to all the nay sayers who said WN wouldnt grow ATL. WN will have gates on C and D. Currently FL underutilizes ATL opening up opportunity for WN to grow without adding gates. 2-3 million additional pax per year is what WN is aiming for over FL current baseline.

The expansion at Concourse D has NOTHING to do with WN. This project has been on hold for 3+ years as the city scrambled to sell bonds pay for the new international terminal. Concourse D is 30' narrower than the other concourses and gets very crowded at the centerpoint during peak periods....its horrible. This project is to create an atrium like A and B concourses for better flow and more shopping/eateries. There is also a plan to do the same at Concourse C in the future.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 1):
...and the City Council has ordered them to expand for A380 services, and they will be complying.

No, they approved A&E spending meaning money for design work only. No money has been approved for construction and this could be years away just like the Concourse D expansion.



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 7):
No, they approved A&E spending meaning money for design work only. No money has been approved for construction and this could be years away just like the Concourse D expansion.

It was my understanding from the previous thread on ATL becoming A380 ready that they were simply going to get it ready while they were completing the international terminal.



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User currently offlineMASTYC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 7):
The expansion at Concourse D has NOTHING to do with WN. This project has been on hold for 3+ years as the city scrambled to sell bonds pay for the new international terminal. Concourse D is 30' narrower than the other concourses and gets very crowded at the centerpoint during peak periods....its horrible. This project is to create an atrium like A and B concourses for better flow and more shopping/eateries. There is also a plan to do the same at Concourse C in the future.

It's horrible! I thought for the longest time that all the concourses at ATL were like that until i took a flight out of A. I'm so glad they are doing this.


User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8011 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 8):
It was my understanding from the previous thread on ATL becoming A380 ready that they were simply going to get it ready while they were completing the international terminal.

There are no gates at the new international terminal designed specifically for the A380 which would mainly include more than one loading bridge per gate. That's not to say that an A380 couldn't be handled, it would be with just one loading bridge or maybe use two gates/two loading bridges but they would be from the main deck. The taxiways that connect the new terminal were made wide enough. Other taxiway/runway improvements on 27L that are required were not included.

The improvements will happen sooner or later and the new ATL airport manager seem more likely to find the funds for the improvements than the previous. ATL has been under major funding pressure the last few years with the international terminal turmoil and the economy tanking. Now that the new terminal is winding down, they have money to spend (example Concourse D). And other projects that have been on hold will start to see light.

I wouldn't be at all surprised that a week after the new international terminal is opened, construction is announced on new A380 gates!!!



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Still, it remains to be seen whether CO/UA will consolidate all ops to Concourse D, or consolidate all ops to Concourse T. DL would probably love to get their hands on more of the T gates, since they are capable of handling 767s.

If I were CO/UA I wouldn't want to give up Concourse T. Far more desirable to be there then out on D.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

I agree. You'd have to literally drag me screaming to Concourse D.

NS


User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):
If I were CO/UA I wouldn't want to give up Concourse T. Far more desirable to be there then out on D.

That is going to be the interesting one. CO has spent some coin the last few years upgrading the facilities on D, ground and boarding levels, and there is a Presidents club which is larger than the old Red Carpet club (now closed) at T. But you guys are right, Concourse T gates are the place to be.



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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Good to see this happening! I figured Concourse D would be the first of the original concourses to get expanded. When the South Gate Complex gets built, I could see each side of Concourse D getting rebuilt to be the same width as the other concourses. Couldn't happen now because the airport needs every gate it has.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 13):
That is going to be the interesting one. CO has spent some coin the last few years upgrading the facilities on D, ground and boarding levels, and there is a Presidents club which is larger than the old Red Carpet club (now closed) at T

So the RCC is indeed closed, and was never amazing to begin with... but it is in fact there. I do wonder if its big enough for their combined ops? They could put a shine on it and move back in.

NS


User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7402 times:

The RCC has been closed for a few years. Wasn't that impressive when it opened but, like you say, it was there. It's a small space, probably half the size or less than the Presidents club.

I'm sure the lease agreements with the airport and when they expire will have some bearing on their decision



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7355 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Still, it remains to be seen whether CO/UA will consolidate all ops to Concourse D, or consolidate all ops to Concourse T.

I think they basically have enough gates on T to run their combined summer schedule for most of the day, the exception being that they have about 8 RONs. However, over the course of the day there are never more than four UA/CO aircraft on the ground at once, and most of their flights are on RJs. I'm sure they could make do with three gates on T as long as they could find some hardstands for the RONs.



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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 4):
Is DL still adding a Sky Club on D? Does anyone know the status of that project?

The Crown Room here on D will be opening soon. They are in the final touches, but no date has been solidified.

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):
If I were CO/UA I wouldn't want to give up Concourse T. Far more desirable to be there then out on D.

I heard that CO was giving up D and moving all to T. This would include the Presidents Club already there.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 10):
There are no gates at the new international terminal designed specifically for the A380 which would mainly include more than one loading bridge per gate.

Did they really build a brand new international terminal with only one jetway per gate? Now that's criminal.
Did they at least allow for the 80m box at some gates or did the folks down in ATL really had their heads that far up their you know what?


User currently offlinefshplns From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 17):
I think they basically have enough gates on T to run their combined summer schedule for most of the day, the exception being that they have about 8 RONs. However, over the course of the day there are never more than four UA/CO aircraft on the ground at once, and most of their flights are on RJs. I'm sure they could make do with three gates on T as long as they could find some hardstands for the RONs.

Nope....... UA has only 3 gates on the T concourse. The rest of the T concourse north side is occupied by AA. The south side is already occupied by DL, so 3 gates would NOT be enough to run our combined OPS. CO still runs its CLE, EWR, and IAH flights on D concourse


User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 17):
I think they basically have enough gates on T to run their combined summer schedule for most of the day, the exception being that they have about 8 RONs.

Since there are very few mainline flights offered by UA anymore, I think it'd be feasible to split T13 into two RJ gates and use T14 and T15 for mainline flights. If done properly, the northern side of the split T13 gate could be used for a 737 if there happens to be another on the ground. Though, I don't know if it'd make more sense to split T15 (like what was done to T14 originally). (Please feel free to slap this idea down, as I don't know the measurements of the area and the required areas for jets of different sizes)

A pipedream of mine is that UA buys T12 from AA, DL buys the remainder of AA's gates on T and UA(CO) gives AA the gates on D.



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User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):

Did they really build a brand new international terminal with only one jetway per gate?

Yea, ain't that really smart?? I was shocked too. We do get a few 747's and a 773 so you would think they would have made a few gates with dual jetways. But someone smarter than us decided NOT!



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 22):
Yea, ain't that really smart?? I was shocked too. We do get a few 747's and a 773 so you would think they would have made a few gates with dual jetways. But someone smarter than us decided NOT

But part and parcel of making the airport A380 ready is building dual jetways correct? That is stunning the lack of foresight there. Especially with the kind of bold statements made about the terminal ready to compete with the likes of T5 and other Asian airports like HKG and ICN. Oh well, now having access to ATL from I75 and I85 make all other negatives about the new terminal moot.



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User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3311 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 23):
But part and parcel of making the airport A380 ready is building dual jetways correct? That is stunning the lack of foresight there. Especially with the kind of bold statements made about the terminal ready to compete with the likes of T5 and other Asian airports like HKG and ICN. Oh well, now having access to ATL from I75 and I85 make all other negatives about the new terminal moot.

Well, since Delta is paying for the vast majority of this building, and has final approval over capital expenditures of this magnitude, is it that surprising? Delta doesn't operate anything more than 300 seats out of the building. The added capital expense of dual jetways (which can't even be used on most of the 767-300 fleet) makes little sense. Delta has virtually no issues related to on-time performance stemming from the boarding process. They've managed perfectly fine on Concourse E for 15 years without dual jetways.

Lots of people like to spend other people's money around here.


25 Tristarcrazy : It is not in the A&E request the COA put out....only improvements to 27L and its taxiways. Agreed, but I think DL investment is close to 600 mill
26 gigneil : Not to mention the largest current single fleet of A330s... NS
27 jetlanta : But Delta is also the primary tenant. BA, LH, AF, KL and KE have less than 7 flights a day between them. And AirTran certainly doesn't need dual jetw
28 AirMatt : I fly AA and ATL is my home airport. I certainly hope AA stays in T. It really is nice not having to use the train. To me it would make sense for CO/
29 1337Delta764 : There is no way DL will give up any of their gates in T, that is for sure. The T gates are very important to DL since they can handle 767s (and soon
30 airbazar : No excuse is good enough. It's a hugely shortsighted decision and one that will cost a lot more in the long run. Even an A330 can benefit from having
31 AirMatt : Thanks for the info - that makes sense. I didn't realize there were issues with DL 767s and gate space at ATL. Matt
32 1337Delta764 : As you should know, Concourse E gates are open use. If DL or any other airline needs to have a space in Concourse E for an international arrival, the
33 MSPNWA : Concourse D is definitely my least favorite at ATL, so at least something will be done to help. The narrow width however is the real issue, so it may
34 gigneil : Gate space at ATL has created and destroyed aircraft. The L-1011 had to fit in gates at ATL, and the 767-400ER was crippled as a result of DL's inabi
35 jetlanta : I'm anxious to see that cost breakdown. I assume you are prepared to share the data? I'm particularly interested in hearing about the extra financial
36 Tristarcrazy : I am not disagreeing with you but think about it this way. The original estimate for the terminal was 600 million, then it grew to 800 million, then
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : T1 is T7/744 capable, T2 can now park anything up to an A330. The others are still the same at nothing bigger than the 764. Ummm, no. This was a proj
38 adtall : Only T2 and T3 are 777/A330 capable, and to park there either T1 (for T2) or T4 (for T3) are downgraded, T1 to 737/A320, and I believe T4 might be ab
39 FlyASAGuy2005 : Guess I was mistaken! I could have sworn I saw a T7 parked at T1 several weeks ago. It was probably sitting at 2 but because the plane is so massive,
40 Post contains images FSDan : I was saying that based on the summer schedule, UA/CO combined hardly ever have more than 3 planes on the ground at once. I think there is one time i
41 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : And this is where the problem lies, and I can see that you see it too with the very end of your post There are times when the schedule will overlap a
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