Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8454 times:
Woeful? Are you kidding? AA, UA and DL have extensive international operations. If you think only Americans are filling those planes I have a nice opportunity involving a bridge I'd like to discuss with you.
splitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8431 times:
This entire post is completely laughable...not to mention this would be terrible for competition in North America. WN a LCC has been increasing fares to levels comparable to legacy carriers, often even being greater. So how would this be good for the country? With the removal of legacy competition of would bet good money that frequencies would be reduced and fares would sky rocket.
What do you mean, "something needs to be done about long-haul out of the USA"? Whether you like the hard product or the service provided by the overweight Grandmothers of Aviation, the market economics do not suggest "something needs to be one." Please clarify.
Of the four you mentioned, somehow within the next 10 years two will disappear. More than likely AA will be acquired by DL and a chunk of assets will be sold off, most being acquired by US. SkyTeam will disappear and be absorbed by oneworld. US will be thrown out of Star Alliance and become a founding partner in a new alliance called ThirdWorld, which will include SkyTeam dropouts.
No, it's the level of service on American carriers that is laughable. If I was flying from Sydney to LA in economy (in any class for that matter) it wouldn't be on United. Or from JFK to London, American ? Don't think so.
Why is that ?
I truly love America, been in and out of the place all my life, but your airlines suck !
Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8174 times:
You realize, of course, that the first thing combined US legacy would do is go nuclear on WN et al, and it would serve so many places that they don't it would have a good shot at working. Amidst all that there would be a massive antitrust complaint and the new megalegacy would be broken up. The pieces would then spend decades clawing their way back to where they are right about now.
The US airline industry is more stable right now than it has been since deregulation. Let's just leave it alone.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2706 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8065 times:
"Or from JFK to London, American ? Don't think so."
Actually, I got to fly on one of your country's airlines when I flew the route . . . Virgin Atlantic.
Coach, middle seat, 340.
While the crews are very friendly, my tall 5'9" body had a hard time with the lack of legroom. The food was medicore and the IFE was subpar. Couldn't touch JetBlue with a 10 foot pole to be more specific.
So I don't think that bad service is limited to US airlines by any means. What I do think is that the US airline industry has consistently been a trend-setter in the industry and the industry has moved away from larger planes with huge inflight ammenities. It is transportation for the masses now . . . and believe me, if it has not spread across Europe yet, it will because all of the established carriers have the reality of competing against RyanAir and EasyJet.
splitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 6): I truly love America, been in and out of the place all my life, but your airlines suck !
May I ask which ones you have flown on? There are many differences from carrier to carrier, like WN's 'bags flying free' or Frontier's IFE, Delta has the most wifi equipped planes out there, and so forth. It sounds like you want a megalegacy in the US for better service and better seats right? Airlines are about making money in this most difficult industry. If you want comfort purchase a first class ticket on Emirates.
Fuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7838 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 6): I truly love America, been in and out of the place all my life, but your airlines suck
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10): So I don't think that bad service is limited to US airlines by any means
I am Australian born and lived here all my life and I believe Qantas is the best way to fly. I think that a lot of passengers feel most comfortable and relaxed on our own nations carriers. The Americans prefer American carriers, the English prefer English carriers, Australians prefer the Australian carriers. I remember talking with a friend from South Korea, and he had to go from Brisbane to Seoul, and he prefered Korean Air over Air China, even though Air China was about $500 cheaper.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4685 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7591 times:
Some legal experts have wondered how UA/CO and and DL/NW passed the anti-trust tests. It was a joke that DOJ said that UA and CO only competed on routes like ORD-CLE and DEN-IAH, but didn't take into account all of the routes that involved a connection.
That said, if UA or DL tried to buy AA, there is no way that would get past the DOJ.
UA buying AA would mean one carrier would control more than 80% of the flying in and out of ORD. With that much control, a carrier could start dumping capacity and dropping fares to compete with WN at MDW, or the likes of Virgin America or Jet Blue at ORD.
If DL bought AA, the combined carrier would dwarf B6 at JFK.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6870 times:
Quoting splitterz (Reply 3): This entire post is completely laughable...not to mention this would be terrible for competition in North America
However, on the other hand.......one of the most vocal of your countrymen is supporting the OP in another thread that BA should be allowed to purchase every United Kingdom carrier because they shouldn't be competed with, and thus also prevent choice. I said exactly the same as you did, adding that it would never fly in the US so why should it in the UK? So, I'll be interested if the argument is equally supported here, but which I very much doubt!!
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter): Never mind unions and regulations, this is the only way. Would be great !!
Yeah, you seem to keep saying that....never mind anything as long as it suits a viewpoint. It would be great for whom?
Delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6835 times:
Correction: we have laws to prevent the abuse of monopolies. Monopolies themselves are perfectly legal.
As for who would file the suit? There would be a rather long line. Any group that could demonstrate they had been harmed would have the right. Consumer groups would probably be the first out the gate, seeing as they sued for both DL/NW and UA/CO to be blocked.