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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Has IAD-GRU/GIG always been operated by a 777 since 2002 or whenever it was started? What about ORD-GRU? When did ORD-GRU begin?

Also, can passengers on ORD-GRU connected onto United's GRU-GIG flight (which originated in IAD)?

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User currently offlinescorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

I've seen these flights mostly being operated with 763's over the years. The 777 has sometimes been scheduled, but more often recently. Yes, both flights connect to GIG, both ways.

Both have been operating at least since the MIA pulldown. I think MIA might have moved to IAD, and at one point they were flying from LAX with the 747-SP. I can't remember if they inherited a new york flight from PA. Something tells me they did, but somebody else will have to confirm. This perhaps was the origin of the frequencies used for ORD.

They also had EZE from both IAD and ORD, but ORD was dropped in BK when they had to get rid of two 763s. These came also from PA, so probably originally started as NY and MIA. I also flew MIA-CCS on UA around 2001, flight was packed in Y, but empty in F (domestic 320), so much so that as a 1P at the time, I got an op-up.


User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
Also, can passengers on ORD-GRU connected onto United's GRU-GIG flight (which originated in IAD)?

The UA site allows the booking, so I'd imagine it is fine.

UA has been doing ORD-GRU since pre-2000 with both 777 and 767.

IAD-GRU started 10/30/02 with a 767.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Interesting...I imagine we'll see the South America flights go to 2-class 767s from ORD/EWR/IAD/IAH..

Quoting scorpy (Reply 1):
Yes, both flights connect to GIG, both ways.

Is it just the aircraft from IAD that continues on to GIG, or do they vary?


User currently offlinescorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 3):
Is it just the aircraft from IAD that continues on to GIG, or do they vary?

From what i've seen, It's mostly the aircraft from IAD, but not always.


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

I flew UA to GIG in May, 2007. Routing was SMF-SFO-IAD-GRU-GIG and GIG-GRU-ORD-SMF. Both IAD-GRU and GRU-ORD were on 763s, as was the GRU-GIG tag from the IAD flight.

I believe that UA started a separate IAD-GIG flight later that year on a 763 and got rid of the GRU-GIG tag, but then upgauged IAD-GRU to the 777 and ended the GRU-GIG nonstop.

Back in the 1990s, UA did JFK-GIG, which then became JFK-GRU-GIG. They also did MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG. The JFK flight was moved to ORD (around 2001-2002 I believe). Shortly after, the MIA-GRU flight was moved to ORD. MIA-GIG had ended a few years earlier.

JFK and MIA were both abandoned as international gateways by UA in favor of international routes from hubs. The moving of the Brazil flights to IAD and ORD fit with this strategy.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 5):
The JFK flight was moved to ORD (around 2001-2002 I believe). Shortly after, the MIA-GRU flight was moved to ORD.

I think the MIA flight moved to IAD.

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 5):
JFK and MIA were both abandoned as international gateways by UA in favor of international routes from hubs. The moving of the Brazil flights to IAD and ORD fit with this strategy.

I wonder how they do to Brazil today. Then again, Brazil has experienced tremendous growth so I'm sure everyone is doing better to Brazil. But enough to justify flights to IAH/IAD/EWR/ORD? We shall see!


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 5):
I believe that UA started a separate IAD-GIG flight later that year on a 763 and got rid of the GRU-GIG tag, but then upgauged IAD-GRU to the 777 and ended the GRU-GIG nonstop.

UA only does that during december/january. On the rest of the year they fly IAD-GRU-GIG with the 772. The market can support two separate flights but UA doesn't seem to be interested.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 6):
Then again, Brazil has experienced tremendous growth so I'm sure everyone is doing better to Brazil.

Yes indeed. Another reason that could make UA at leas leave GIG and GRU with their own services to IAD year-round but again, UA doesn't seem to be interested.



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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 6):
Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 5):
The JFK flight was moved to ORD (around 2001-2002 I believe). Shortly after, the MIA-GRU flight was moved to ORD.

I think the MIA flight moved to IAD.

Oops, I goofed. It was actually the JFK flight that went to IAD, and the MIA flight went to ORD.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 6):
I think the MIA flight moved to IAD.

No, IAD-GRU started on 29th October 2002, while MIA-GRU was still operational. The IAD-GRU frequencies came from the cancellation of JFK-GRU.

MIA-GRU, along with MIA-EZE, lasted until 1st May 2004 after which UA shut down the MIA base. Both routes were 763s by that point.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 7):
UA only does that during december/january

With what aircraft?

Quoting AF086 (Reply 7):
On the rest of the year they fly IAD-GRU-GIG with the 772.

Is ORD-GRU also a 772 year round?

Quoting AF086 (Reply 7):
The market can support two separate flights but UA doesn't seem to be interested.

Even now when United will also have IAH&EWR-GRU and IAH-GIG?


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 10):
Even now when United will also have IAH&EWR-GRU and IAH-GIG?

Yes, UA must figure out if they are going to fly IAD-GIG or EWR-GIG, but either way, they need to connect GIG and the East Coast. That would make possible for them to drop the GRU-GIG tag. Though, I understand that they are facing a dilemma right now. They are the only US carrier that has available GRU slots. UA could easily drop the tag-on flight and start another long haul flight in its place, but they do not hold the frequencies anymore, since they were leased to US. They could apply for more in 2013.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
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Quoting washingtonian (Reply 10):
Is ORD-GRU also a 772 year round?

Yes, nowadays it is a 772 route year round

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 10):

Even now when United will also have IAH&EWR-GRU and IAH-GIG?
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
Yes, UA must figure out if they are going to fly IAD-GIG or EWR-GIG, but either way, they need to connect GIG and the East Coast.

Difficult to understand UA approach to Rio de Janeiro. They seems comfortable with just IAH-GIG (which i believe is a money maker) and now with EWR-GRU to be upgauged to 764 soon, i just don't see how they can open East Coast-GIG.



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