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Korean Air A380 To Atlanta Next Year  
User currently offlinevulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 523 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12738 times:

Korean Air has just announced it intends to replace it's daily ICN-ATL 747 service with A380 service sometime next year. The ATL airport will have to do some widening of taxiways and runways first though. I wonder if Atlanta will be one of the first US destinations they will fly their A380's to.

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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

The first US A380 destinations for KE will be LAX and JFK. ATL makes sense as a third one though.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13266 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12432 times:
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Pepsi light to ATL!   


  

 
Quoting FSDan (Reply 1):
The first US A380 destinations for KE will be LAX and JFK. ATL makes sense as a third one though.

100% Agree. Will it be ICN-LAX or ICN-NRT-LAX first?

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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5311 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12401 times:

Makes sense. Now this puts into perspective the Atlanta City Council's motion requesting ATL be upgraded to handle the A380.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
100% Agree. Will it be ICN-LAX or ICN-NRT-LAX first?

ICN-LAX.



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12269 times:

I was stunned to see this thread, but sure enough:
http://www.ajc.com/business/a380-sup...968834.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746

The good ole AJC is covering it! The most exciting quote for me:

Quote:
Improvements for the A380 are expected to cost $30 million -- half for taxiway and runway widening, and half for improvements to two gates on Concourse E, Miller said

Two gates! Can you imagine how awesome it will be to be sitting in the terminal and have an AF and KE A380 (hopefully sitting next to a DL 747). Hopefully it will be A380 ready for when the terminal opens.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12216 times:

ICN-JFK is going to be their first US destination, starting Aug 9th on KE081/KE082

ICN-LAX is starting Oct 11th on a 3 weekly basis 2/4/6 on KE017/KE018

ATL is going to be their third destination, and there are strong rumours ORD and DFW will be next. In that particular order.

To add a little more detail here. After the first A380 has arrived this June, orders two through four will show up between June and August, the fifth by the end of 2011 and the remainder between 2012 and 2014. There will be two configurations; The 407 long haul lay out and another 452 Asia layout. Other routes KE will use their A380 on include, but may not be limited to, NRT, HKG, BKK, CDG and LHR. I could also see a second LAX and a FRA flight happen.

[Edited 2011-06-08 15:53:06]


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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 4):
Can you imagine how awesome it will be to be sitting in the terminal and have an AF and KE A380 (hopefully sitting next to a DL 747).

I'm happy to see the A380 seems to be so well received in ATL   And $30m. is a huge investment for a daily flight only. Clearly DL should appreciate its home airport's efforts and thank them for it by ordering their own little fleet of A380s. Along with another 150+ A320NEO. But that should go into another thread  



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12133 times:

Quoting something (Reply 6):
Clearly DL should appreciate its home airport's efforts and thank them for it by ordering their own little fleet of A380s. Along with another 150+ A320NEO. But that should go into another thread

While I still think there is nothing more beautiful than a 747, and the 748 is no exception, I would die if DL ordered 5 A380's for it's high volume routes. The problem is they wouldn't see those planes for a decade, but as long as this 12/12/12 business isn't true, I don't mind waiting that long.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12115 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 7):
While I still think there is nothing more beautiful than a 747, and the 748 is no exception

You have A380s for their size, 747s for their looks. And I must say I had higher hopes for the 748i. Don't like it quite as much. It has a too heavy front. But the 741, 742, 743, 744 (all in pax and cargo version) as well as the 748F are with no doubt the most beautiful aircraft we've ever been treated to. Followed by A345s and A332s. But not very closely admittedly.

[Edited 2011-06-08 16:09:23]


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

As it has been said many times over whenever anything comes up about ATL is that DL effectively gets a say in expansion and remodelling plans. So at DL they must have given their okay to this additional expense, especially since the $4.50 a ticket is hitting mostly their passengers. Now my guess is that KE and AF (being Skyteam partners) might have suggested it, but I do have the smallest hope that DL might be considering an order as well, simply to be the first American carrier with an A380.

[Edited 2011-06-08 16:13:03]


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13266 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12082 times:
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Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 4):
Two gates! Can you imagine how awesome it will be to be sitting in the terminal and have an AF and KE A380 (hopefully sitting next to a DL 747). Hopefully it will be A380 ready for when the terminal opens.

That would be an incredible photo...

If there could also be a KLM 777...   

Quoting something (Reply 6):
Clearly DL should appreciate its home airport's efforts and thank them for it by ordering their own little fleet of A380s. Along with another 150+ A320NEO. But that should go into another thread

Yes. Because, besides the A380, it is obvious that DL should be buying the C-series!  

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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4002 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12053 times:

OK, looks as it ATL will be the first southern market for the Big Bus, so which TX city will see the '380' first?


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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12002 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10):
DL should be buying the C-series!

For Comair, yes  



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6223 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11988 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
OK, looks as it ATL will be the first southern market for the Big Bus, so which TX city will see the '380' first?

Contenders: IAH with EK and LH
DFW with KE and BA. QFs can't make it.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6501 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11932 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):

DoesntLH start service to MIA this week?



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4002 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11821 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
DoesntLH start service to MIA this week?

Yep, I forgot about MIA.



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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11759 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 13):
QFs can't make it

Well they are making it with the 744ER and the A380 has better range so DFW with the A380 is on the cards.


User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 13):
DFW with KE and BA. QFs can't make it.

Yes they can, with payload restrictions. The post 2012 deliveries numbers 13 to 20 will have improved payload and depending on traffic and how the B787 comes out, both performance and production wise, there is a very good chance you'll see the QF big bus at DFW. (Actually IMHO you'll see both A380s & B787s from QF at DFW).

Gemuser

[Edited 2011-06-08 18:05:18]


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11596 times:

I think ATL will beat out IAH in that EK has stated that they want to use the 380 to IAH but they don't quite have the legs for it. LH plans on using the 748 to IAH so I doubt the 380 is in the cards this round.


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User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11188 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 18):
EK has stated that they want to use the 380 to IAH but they don't quite have the legs for it.

Yes they do! DXB-IAH is 357 nm less than SYD-DFW and QF are doing that with a B744ER and the A380 can beat that. EK MAYBE waiting for the post 2012 production A380s which will allow more payload.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Makes sense. Now this puts into perspective the Atlanta City Council's motion requesting ATL be upgraded to handle the A380.

Not a bad feather in the cap for the A380 considering that ATL was among the airports that said flat-out that they wouldn't bother with upgrades to accommodate the plane. Times are changing, for sure. Congrats to KE and ATL on this one!



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 19):
EK MAYBE waiting for the post 2012 production A380s which will allow more payload.

Absolutely.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10998 times:

GC Mapper distance(rounded) for possible KE routes:

ICN-LAX 5,200 nm
ICN-JFK 6,000 nm
ICN-ATL 6,200 nm

A380 should be able to cover the above distances with no restrictions for a full passenger load. However, it won't be able to carry the full structutal payload(passenger & cargo) on JFK/ATL-ICN.


User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10880 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 9):
As it has been said many times over whenever anything comes up about ATL is that DL effectively gets a say in expansion and remodelling plans. So at DL they must have given their okay to this additional expense, especially since the $4.50 a ticket is hitting mostly their passengers. Now my guess is that KE and AF (being Skyteam partners) might have suggested it, but I do have the smallest hope that DL might be considering an order as well, simply to be the first American carrier with an A380.

I am not sure if DL's US customers will be as excited about a flight on an A380 as, say, those of CX, SQ, EK, etc. I do not see many marketability advantages here. Given that U.S. carriers prefer frequency, I would bet that DL would rather order a couple of 77Ws, 787s, or A350s for each A380 they could make use of.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10732 times:

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 23):
Given that U.S. carriers prefer frequency, I would bet that DL would rather order a couple of 77Ws, 787s, or A350s for each A380 they could make use of.

I completely agree with you. However, DL flys into airports like Heathrow were frequency is not available. They could definitely fill a A380 top deck being all business and bottom being Y and Y+ on such routes. I know it is highly unlikely, but I would love to see a US carrier with a small subfleet of them.



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25 vulindlela744 : I think DL would be much more likely to get the 777-300ER as they already operate the 777. It can be configured to almost the same capacity as the 744
26 EddieDude : Well, 764 to A380 is a huge jump in capacity. I'd see DL first switching to A333s or 77Es for some of the busier LHR routes. If they still need more
27 bthebest : As a sidenote, why doesn't Emirates operate to ATL? Seems it could be a big market for them? Maybe they'll open it up with an A380 now?
28 DLPMMM : Not a lot of O+D from ATL to DXB and EK has no feed on the ATL side (which is how DL makes ATL work as an international hub). EK has many other airpo
29 EddieDude : LH is another carrier with no affilation to DL.
30 LAXdude1023 : I think EK could make ATL work if DL was not flying ATL-DXB. With DL on that flight, I dont think EK could make ATL work.
31 planespotting : I hope that no airline is ordering airplanes for cache, especially in this day and age.
32 TeamInTheSky : I agree my comment is extremely vain, but I own stock in DL and would vote yes! As another poster said, I would be happy with more 777 orders as well
33 airlineecon : Great news for KE and ATL! With the extra capacity of an A380 should we expect KE to reduce frequency on its redeye 777 service out of ATL. I can't re
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : HA! That's if Comair is around by then.
35 indiansbucs : Just to let everyone know... this is confirmed info: The A380 gate in ATL will be the combined E1-E3, setting it up somehow using both jetways to dep
36 Grid : You can both be correct.
37 goblin211 : Man, there's going to be non-stop construction at ATL. I hope one or more of these construction projects doesn't take a delay because it causes too mu
38 CV880 : After looking at those stubby 380's at SFO as well as when they fly over my house on downwind approach to the 28's, the A346 still has it for sleek b
39 TeamInTheSky : Really? The article talk about half of the $15 million being used to make two gates ready. That is a ton of money to do the renovating you are talkin
40 Post contains images EPA001 : I would go for the A345, but I understand what you mean. . On-topic: with ATL getting ready for the A380, she will also be ready for the B747-8i. Sin
41 indiansbucs : Yes... that was one question i made to my source. Thats going to be interesting, not what i would expect from the "World's busiest airport", but anyw
42 indiansbucs : But i still do think like you... and probably i would say... that if they are thinking about parking 2 A380's at the same time (which with current sc
43 Drerx7 : I believe the two gates is for 1 operation though.
44 Post contains images lightsaber : I recall the noise on ATL, LAS, SEA, and BOM never becoming A380 ready... One domino falls. I suspect all A380 to ATL will be Skyteam. The question i
45 Post contains images EPA001 : Yes, bring it on!
46 Post contains images airbazar : I'd like to see where all those anti-A380, chest tumping, ATL will never spend a cent for the A380, are? Anyone that ever actually believed that an ai
47 mogandoCI : they already have a monopoly on ICN-ATL (not to mention hub-to-hub) ... why not up the frequency instead of upgauging ? i would think a scarce resourc
48 airbazar : If you have no competition then frequency makes no sense. You deploy the equipment that can generate the most money. 1 A380 is cheaper to operate tha
49 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I'd love to get a little of what you're smoking They're already double daily T7 and 744 on Sun/Wed/Fri. The 744 leaves at the typical time for far ea
50 Post contains images astuteman : Yeah. We'll have to wait for 89m long A380's before the real beauty shows.... That's the "short" option isn't it? Rgds
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