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First Class On The Upper Deck Of The B 747?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Most B 747's Upper Decks are actually Business Class Seats. However, why don't they move their First Class on the Top Floor, and have the Business Class on the First Floor? I understand that some of the Business Class Seats are actually between First and Economy Class.

Upper decks are usually quieter. And by putting the First Class up there, it can provide the First Class Travellors a much quieter environment. But why don't they do that?




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User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

The nose section is much roomier than the upper deck. There is more room for overhead storage, and generally there is a large open area in the middle of the cabin providing even more space. The galley is also more spacious than those I have seen at the back of most upper decks.

You also have at least a small amount of traffic into and out of the cockpit on the upper deck. On the main level, the F cabin is accessed only by the F passengers and the f/a's that are working there.

Additionally, keep in mind that a handicapped passenger would have trouble going up the stairs (most airlines with Biz on the upper deck usually have a few rows on the main deck too). I worked for a medical assistance company and we frequently purchased F class seats for people with broken legs, back injuries, etc.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4441 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Downstairs is actually a lot quieter in front


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

The galley is also more spacious than those I have seen at the back of most upper decks.

AFAIK, the U/D galley on the 744 is 28 carts while the A zone galley is only 16 carts.


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

plus, the windows taper forward in zone a, so passengers can see (kind of) forward out of the plane.

User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Here's the reason:


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User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

The nose section of the 747 is really the nicest place to sit. There is less traffic, one does not have to climb a stairway, one can disembark first, and it feels more exclusive. That said, the upper deck is also a nice area.

User currently offlineSpk From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

My answer: the upperdeck is cramped, lacks head room, lacks storage space, has narrow aisle.

Even when I fly business class, I try to get a seat on lower deck


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

IMHO the upper deck is far better than the pointy end. Up there, you get the feeling of being in a small exclusive airplane rather than lumped at one end of a large airplane. Albeit that the walls taper, I also like the space and surface between the side of the seat and the wall on the upper deck. Last flew, and will next fly, SQ bus class and always ask for the upper deck.

Andy


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

I'm pretty sure EL-AL uses the upper deck for first class
On Virgin 747-400 there are Upper class and premium economy seats upstairs.

Does anyone know of any others?


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

I've flown in First class on Lufthansa which was on the upper deck. All the rest that I've seen were Business class upstairs and First downstairs.

One nice thing I like about the upper deck is the shelf you have below the windows.

Charles


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

I like the idea of First in the upper deck.
However, I guess I've changed my mind now!

Regards
QantasAirways



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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

The FC in the nose section has door 1 (most of the times) for embarkment and disembarkment so the FC passengers dont have to walk through business class or economy.

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Why did Ansett and a few others, BA I believe decide to place economy seats upstairs?


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Man.. i have to thank FlyVirgin744 cause i didnt relaize what the upper deck on a 747 looks like... Major claustophoiba if u ask me... Downstairs forward cabin is definitely first class material.


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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1031 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

I have flown F on several airlines including the picture LH and SQ. NO COMPARIOSN when F is on the main deck. LH is nice on the upper, but much more cramped feeling then the rest on the main deck.

User currently offlineFTraveler From United States of America, joined May 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

In the old days when Pan Am dominated international air travel, the upper desk was used as a first class lounge. During meals, seats would be swiveled and card tables would be extended to create several (think it was 4) dining tables that sat 4 persons and gourmet meals would be served, course by course. No PTVs, no flat beds, but it sure was a wonderful experience.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

No PTVs, no flat beds

Sounds like an absolute hell! No wonder Pan Am went out of business.


User currently offlineRWally From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 555 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

It depends on the config. and airline. Some airlines have First on the UD. Others have Business on the U.D. and second deck.

Regards,

RWally


User currently offlineAnawat From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

First class in the 747 nose is the nicest and quietest place to be on the plane.

Upper deck is a lot noiser and the 747 cockpit is very noisy from all the wind noise.

I've been in all these places and I really like the nose section.


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

EL AL has first class on the upper deck and my grandparents flew first while we flew business in the nose section on the lower deck. I went to visit them on the upper deck and the lowerdeck had a hell of a lot more room. The nose section on the lowerdeck is also kind of comfy. Unlike the upperdeck, you have more space to put a beverage table.
rgds,
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User currently offlineSpaceman From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

When Pan Am was flying no PTVs or flat beds even existed. They didn't have the technology at the time for thoses things. Therefore you cannot blame them for not having thoses things. Luft Hansa uses their upper deck for first class.

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3005 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4580 times:
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another problem wiht the upper deck is that because its further from the center of motion (a line that runs thru the cabin lengthwise) you feel motions much more. People with inner ear problems can get very very motion sick on the upper deck of 747s.
Also whats been said about the nose and sapce is completly true, and you cant even hear the engines up there dugin cruise, the A/C mutes it out



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

In those days, the idea of Commerical Airliines is to fasten everyone on their seats and take them from one place to another. Besides, thy didn't have the technology at that time for things like PTVs, Flat Beds etc.

Regards.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

"In those days, the idea of Commerical Airliines is to fasten everyone on their seats and take them from one place to another."

Gee! You mean thats not the idea of commercial airlines anymore ?!!



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25 United Airline : What I mean is.... All they have in their mind is............ Fasten everybody on their seats and fly them from one place to another. They do not have
26 Gregg : I'm glad they have biz on the 2nd floor in most cases, I like the upper cabin (especially in a --300 or -400 where it is larger). It does feel like a
27 BarfBag : "What I mean is.... All they have in their mind is............ Fasten everybody on their seats and fly them from one place to another. They do not hav
28 B747-437B : When Pan Am was flying no PTVs or flat beds even existed. They didn't have the technology at the time for thoses things. Therefore you cannot blame th
29 United Airline : I suppose they have the technology to provide flat beds, PTVs etc. Though not as nice and advanced as today's maybe.
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