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User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 28723 times:

Hello All!

I am planning to visit my family in a few months, along with my wife and newborn son. The first leg is AZ from LAX-MXP nonstop, continuing onto CRV. I frequently fly from LAX-JFK [sometimes several times a month] but usually, I have well over 4 hours to spend at ATL, so I can wait it out until I reach ATL. But on a leg as long as LAX-MXP, which I've done BEFORE becoming a smoker [stupidest decision I've ever made], I doubt I can resist.

I was curious if anyone has attempted to, or successfully used an electronic cigarette on a commercial flight? It emits nothing except for water vapor, and is more technically defined as a nicotine inhaler. I've heard stories from fellow travelers, one said they smoked it on a flight and never had an issue, and another said they simple went to the LAV and took a few puffs, obviously water vapor won't set off a smoke detector.

Are there ANY legal consequences to using such a device on a commercial flight?

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User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28633 times:

Ryanair sells them and obviously allows their use in flight.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...-allow-passengers-to-smoke-onboard

I've never seen anyone trying to light one of them on other flights though, and, provided I was a smoker (which I'm not), I certainly wouldn't try to use one without asking the crew first (trying in the lav sounds like a bad idea).

Unless they've heard about those 'e-cigarette' things and the airline has a policy about them, you'd probably get a 'no way', though.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28617 times:

Stop smoking.
The smoke you breath out, regardless how hard you try, reaches your baby and it will be at just as much risk of lung cancer as yourself. In fact, I read somewhere that "passive smoking" is more lethal.

Stop smoking, problem solved

E-cigarettes smell funny. My car passenger started sucking on one yesterday and I thought I had an electrical fire sparking up. They smell just like it.

Ryanair, as has been mentioned, sell e-Cigarettes and allow their use on board. But you'd be best checking with your airline directly.

[Edited 2011-06-09 23:41:43]


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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28590 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 1):
I've never seen anyone trying to light one of them on other flights though,

You don't light them, just suck on the end. (one of my colleagues, who is a smoker, has used them on flights without issue).

signol



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User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 28416 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 2):

#1) You're absolutely right. I work a highly stressful job, and quitting is on my list of things to do ASAP. I think once I actually hold my son in my arms, that will be all the incentive I need to just drop it.
#2) I had that happen a little when I first used mine. After an hour the smell went away and therefore just smelled like vapour.

Thanks for the replies all....


User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 28365 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 1):
I've never seen anyone trying to light one of them on other flights though, and, provided I was a smoker (which I'm not), I certainly wouldn't try to use one without asking the crew first (trying in the lav sounds like a bad idea).

Ryanair sell "smokeless cigarette", not quite the same as e-cigarettes. On a flight last year, my friend who smokes decided to see what they were all about. They were dissapointed to find the cigarettes Ryanair sells were basicly an empty tube, with nicotene particles inside. You just suck through the tube and get your hit it seems. Very odd stuff altogether!


User currently offlinefn1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 28340 times:

Other proposals:

- Nicotine Patches
- Chewing Gum
- Sleeping and not thinking about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_replacement_therapy

Good luck and good flight!



Mai bine să-ţi fie rău decît să-ţi pară rău.
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 28122 times:

For a smoker, those alternatives listed just don't cut it...you just can't beat a deep suck on a coffin nail. I've never tried an e cig...I think they may soothe the savage beast better than most alternatives.

As for just quitting, it has been shown that quitting smoking is one of the most difficult and stressful things a person can do. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known. Not even heroin is as addictive.

Certainly quitting is a good idea...I did it after smoking for almost 30 years, (and I have no idea how many times I tried and failed to quit), but every second of quitting sucked...and over 4 years later, there are times where a cig would be the best thing ever.



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 27942 times:

My wife and I just flew back from London on a Virgin Atlantic flight, and they included smokeless/electronic cigarettes in their no smoking announcement. They specifially said it was not allowed.

I took note of it becuase it got me thinking about what regulations it might break.



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User currently offlinekevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 27911 times:

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 5):
You just suck through the tube and get your hit it seems.

"That's what he said."

Can't speak for other airlines, but I know they're not allowed on AA flights.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlinedean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27863 times:

Air France OK, Lufthansa definitely NOT okay to smoke e-cigarettes. I don't have any experience with AZ. I always ask the cabin crew and in case they say no, I go to the LAV and "smoke" it there.

By the way it's funny when other pax are calling the crew to report e-smokers


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27862 times:

Quoting JOEYCAPPS (Thread starter):
Are there ANY legal consequences to using such a device on a commercial flight?
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 1):
Unless they've heard about those 'e-cigarette' things and the airline has a policy about them, you'd probably get a 'no way', though.

There should be no 'policy' involved nor are they an electronic device, per sé....therefore they are perfectly allowable, irrespective of what other pax 'perceive'.


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27772 times:

Forget the whole E-cig thing on flights...why risk it? Just grab a can of Camel Snus (or another type of European spit-free tobacco pouches) and use that. They're discreet, you don't have to spit, and get the job done and are a great way to get the nicotine you need while flying...or working...or in a situation where you can't smoke or don't want to.

On a side note, I smoke five cigars a day. I'm waiting for them to come out with an E-Cigar. LOL!!



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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27756 times:

Most e cigarettes have nicotine cartidges. And most of the nicotine you breathe in, you also breathe out. They'd wouldn't be allowed where cigarettes are banned. If Ryan sells them they must be the non nicotine models.


Andy Goetsch
User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 27656 times:

E-cigs are banned on DL. Not sure about AZ.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 27448 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 7):
Not even heroin is as addictive.

While that may be biochemically true (I assume, but is it even?), as long as nicotine withdrawal doesn't lead to even a fraction of the hellish symptoms that acute heroin withdrawal does then it is a pointless comparison.

To the OP, take some gum. It is one flight, a long one at that, but surely you can do it with a little help. Not the same as the real thing I know, but seriously.......



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6617 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 27267 times:

About electronic cigs, the ones which vaporize a (nasty) liquid stuff containing nicotine : don't those make some smoke containing nicotine ?


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 27230 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 13):
They'd wouldn't be allowed where cigarettes are banned.

Absolutely nonsense! E-cigarettes can be smoked anywhere normal cigarettes are banned and, if you want to be completely accurate, there is no legal reason why not. Your hypothesis on exhaling nicotine is completely inaccurate......it is only harmful when exhaled as smoke. In and of itself nicotine is not a carcinogen. Do you ban nicotine plants in gardens worldwide???


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 27223 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 8):
They specifially said it was not allowed.

Which can be successfully challenged.

Quoting toobz (Reply 14):
E-cigs are banned on DL.

Because of passenger perception.......a bit like here on a.net, but doesn't mean reality.


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27140 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 18):
Quoting EasternSon (Reply 8):
They specifially said it was not allowed.

Which can be successfully challenged.

Challenge the flight crew who says they are not allowed? What precisely did you have in mind?


User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27122 times:

So on many airlines I can't take my harmless e-cigarette on and sit quietly in my seat minding my own business "smoking" it but I can bring on heavy glass bottles of booze (nothing dangerous about 2 litres of Jack Daniels or Smirnoff rattling around an overhead bin in turbulence is there?) and then proceed to join my fellow passengers in drinking myself into oblivion from the cabin crew's trolley if I so wish.

That's ok then....................................


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2887 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27086 times:
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E-cigs contain nicotine to satisfy the urge to smoke. The smoke you breath in is not smoke it is liquid vapor. In fact in Europe the act is called "vaping" vs smoking. While addictive like anything with nicotine they are 100% safe and contain NO TOBACCO and no carcinogens. The air you breath out after a puff is empty water vapor. all the nicotine is absorbed through the tissue in your moth and lungs. it poses no danger to anyone. the don't taste great and don't come close to what smokers love about real cigarettes--but the don't make you ill nor will they make others around you ill. but even sticking a cigarette length white straw in your mouth on an airplane will freak people out and the crew. It is just such a no no from a social pov that i can't see airlines or even restaurants. Don't ask how I know all that - i just do!


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27043 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 8):
My wife and I just flew back from London on a Virgin Atlantic flight, and they included smokeless/electronic cigarettes in their no smoking announcement. They specifially said it was not allowed.

I wonder why they would be disallowed specifically. It seems silly.

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 19):
Challenge the flight crew who says they are not allowed? What precisely did you have in mind?

Yes, challenging the flight crew is usually not the best thing, it all depends on how you do it (i.e. not paticularly argumentative). Sadly the better thing to do is to just accept what they say and then go smoke privately in the lavatory (provided what dean in reply 10 has experienced is accurate and that lav smoke detectors aren't affect by "e-smoke").

While not the best solution, when there are not well thought out rules it leads to people taking actions irrespective of crew directions.

Tugg



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27042 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 21):
E-cigs contain nicotine to satisfy the urge to smoke. The smoke you breath in is not smoke it is liquid vapor. In fact in Europe the act is called "vaping" vs smoking. While addictive like anything with nicotine they are 100% safe and contain NO TOBACCO and no carcinogens. The air you breath out after a puff is empty water vapor. all the nicotine is absorbed through the tissue in your moth and lungs. it poses no danger to anyone

   perfectly correct.....and cheers!


User currently offlinecopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26752 times:

When I fly longhaul I use the Nicorette nicotine inhalator and it works well for me.
It is without the water "smoke", but it will give you the kick from inhaling the nicotine that the other nicotine product can not give you.
I dont know if you can buy it in the US, but here are some links, just to explain how it works.
http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/nicor...-inhalator-refill-pack_1_3439.html

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100003544.html

in danish, but just for the pic:
http://www.nicorette.dk/Vores-produkter/Inhalator.aspx


25 VC10er : Sorry for all the typos, I was on my BB typing fast. A couple of years ago I worked with a large Pharma company and they had a huge team of scientist
26 ditzyboy : They are not allowed to be used on Qantas flights either.
27 Max Q : Well, the question has still not been answered, Are E Cigs or similar, legal on US Airlines ?
28 DocLightning : That's not the case. However, by smoking, even when not around the baby, the residue on your skin, clothes, and hair will vastly increase the child's
29 Post contains images vgnatl747 : I happened to notice today that all forms of tobacco, including electronic cigarettes are banned on Delta flights. They are explicitly called out in t
30 Post contains links srbmod : Well two users mentioned two different US airlines that do not all them: Pretty much all US airlines had already banned their use and the current gov
31 european742 : As mentioned before, Ryanair OK, Virgin not, a VS crew member told me is because another passenger might see someone using an e-cigarette and think it
32 JoeCanuck : Obviously you are not now nor have you ever been a smoker. Try telling a smoker how easy it is to quit and how benign the withdrawal symptoms are. If
33 RamblinMan : Once at an outdoor mall I walked by a kiosk selling the e-cigs...and the guy working there was smoking a real cigarette. Not a smoker, but something t
34 RussianJet : Well, wrong. Have you been a heroin addict? I haven't, but everything I hear about it tells me I would rather give up smoking than go cold turkey. Sl
35 iainbhx : I smoke a pack a day, have done for 25 years now. Four sticks of nicotine gum and an a couple of cigs in the smoking room at Changi will get me from
36 WestJetForLife : I never really had an issue with my smoking habit on flights exceeding 3 hours for the most part. YYC-LHR and MIA-BGI were tough, but I kept getting w
37 JAGflyer : As a smoker of e-cigs (and a bit of an enthusiast) I feel I should be able to chime in. There is nothing in an e-cig that should violate any rules of
38 JOEYCAPPS : I had this discussion with a good friend of mine, whose a respiratory therapist [albeit smokes a lot himself.] A big problem with society is the stig
39 RussianJet : As the gum thing was erroneously responding to a point I hadn't even made, why would you agree so wholeheartedly? Yes, it would be a stupid compariso
40 KiwiRob : Unless he's flying through Norway or Sweden he's out of luck, SNUS is banned in the EU.
41 RussianJet : If you can buy it in Sweden then how is it banned in the EU?
42 ltbewr : I have never been a smoker, but have been around them all my life. I can understand the frustration of addicted smokers to be able to smoke due to inc
43 VC10er : I respectfully disagree with you on 2 points: nicotine is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE but alone isn't harmful, what is so harmful are the constituents that are
44 lmml 14/32 : I have an e-cigarette. Recently it was in my shirt pocket. My e-cig is the type that has a push button at the far end which is depressed to activate t
45 ltbewr : Good point. On some airliners, lighters of all kinds are banned, so perhaps these 'devices' can be considered, as this poster noted, the same as ligh
46 Aesma : I don't know the effects of consuming small amounts of nicotine by itself, but I would not necessarily believe it's harmless, after all it's used as a
47 gr8circle : As mentioned above, there has to be some amount of nicotine or smell thereof, exhaled by a person using this e-cig stuff ((have to admit its the firs
48 KiwiRob : The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and
49 Elevated : They are banned and are also considered a PED at my airline. Bad idea all around to allow such a thing. We still catch people smoking the LAVs and at
50 RussianJet : Wow, you learn something new every day. Thanks for the explanation.
51 silentbob : I've had the misfortune of having a handful of addictions over the years and kicking them all comes down to the individual and their willpower. There
52 VC10er : There is way more than a ton of information on e cigs on the Internet. They have been deeply studied by many governments and non government instituti
53 cvg2lga : I believe the largest issue onboard an airliner would be (at least with crew) that even though say I am smoking an "e-cigarrette" (proud non-smoker bt
54 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : For the purpose of education here is one of the e-cig manufacturers http://www.smokeanywhere.com/testimonials.html#testimonials The manufactures discl
55 skytony : United Airlines does not permit the use of E cigarrettes on its flights.
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