Two Boeing 747SPs for sale by Qantas available November 2001... this confirms that the wonderful plane will no longer serve with Qantas. But I wonder, are there any other 747SPs in regular airline service?
Turbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1538 times:
Pity that the SP is slowly vanishing! It's such a good looking plane for one thing. If they don't sell them, they'll scrap them :-(, so selling is probably better, so long as they remain operational.
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1522 times:
I love the 747SP though have only flown it recently for the first time.
Corsair still operates 747SP (F-GTOM). It was a substitute for an AF flight that I took to CAY. The same airplane was not too long ago seen in Auckland replacing temporarily Air Tahiti Nui AKL flight.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3230 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1506 times:
As far as I know Syrian and Iran both still use the SP's. Last time I saw a Syrian SP was rougly half a year ago. I have last seen an Iranian SP last Sunday (08-07-01). This was the EP-IAA. Both planes were seen at Amsterdam Schiphol.
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1423 times:
For a long time QF tried to persuade the Federal Gov't to buy the SPs to replace the old RAAF 707s. Unfortunately for QF, even the Gov't weren't convinced of the economics of buying 2 planes both nearly 20 years old. The Gov't has instead ordered 2 BBJs but QF can take some solace that they have won the maintenance contract on the BBJs.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9600 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
"How can the 747SP be good looking? I think it is one of the silliest looking aircraft out there... Little midget jet..."
Its called personal taste. I like the SP very much. Ok, its not so elegant as the "normal" 747, but it looks cute, somehow like a giant baby. To my eyes the SP looks better than its modern sister, the 777, and a lot better than the 777-300. Thats what I call a silly-looking aircraft.
Anyway, sad to hear the QF-SPs are leaving, even if we here in Europe will never have a chance to see them.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9600 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
"All the Qantas 747 classics, including the SPs, are advertised as for sale through the Boeing Aircraft Trading site. The SPs are the first to go"
Thats true, but interesting is, the 747-200s still in the QF fleet are mentioned to be available from 2004, 2006 and 2007! I´ve never heard about someone trying to sell a used transport 6 years before delivery!
456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Why were the sp's built in the first place? For which segment/part of the market. Not that many planes were bought by the airliners.
Was it ever an economical plane after all? I mean, is in not too heavy for the amount of passengers it flew? With his mostly useless upperdeck weight.
Don't get me wrong, a VERY nice plane after all
(is his tale larger than a normal 747? Why?)
Qantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
Not all QF 747 Classics are up for sale yet. The -300 series wasnt shown to be up for sale amongst the others there.
The tail of the 747SP is taller than that of the 744 because of the shortened airframe. The 747SP had a much longer range than the 747-100 (the only other 747 in production when it was released). The seat/mile costs were very good in its time and the range opened up new routes such as SYD-LAX. Unfortunately it wasnt a very successful aircraft, sales wise, since the 747-200 (i think) was released and had similar range with better seat/mile costs and more capacity.
Correct me If I am wrong.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9600 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
You are right with one exception, Qantas737: The 747-200 was already 5 years on the market when the SP came out (742: 1971, SP: 1976). The 747-200s range was gradually growing from update to update but never came near the one of the 747SP. The first aircraft to surpass the SP´s range was the 747-400.
I want to add something: when the SP was developed in the early 70s, oil was cheap. When it came out after the first oil crisis that had changed. And there was already the DC-10-30, a cheaper similar-sized and more fuel-efficient aircraft that was well established in some big airlines already. And there were very few airlines that needed the extra-range of the SP, the only USP the SP had when finally delivered to its customers from 1976 on.
Victor Hotel From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 305 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
It will be quite sad to see this aircraft phased out, it was both interesting and a unique aircraft. Here are some other airlines that operate them or operated them at some stage. Air China, China Airlines, Iran Airlines, Korean Airlines, Saudi Arabian, South African, Evergreen,
United, Qatar, Air Namibia, Oman, Corsair, Global Air, Iraqi Airways, Mandarin Airlines, TWA, and United.