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DL Replacing AF On ORD-CDG  
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21097 times:

With the start of the winter schedule, DL will replace AF on ORD-CDG by offering 5x weekly flights on the 763. AF is offering a daily 343 this summer. I guess ORD is not a particularly strong AF city, much like PHL. It's interesting that ORD-CDG will be served by the 3 major US carriers this winter, all on the 763. I don't know if this flight will operate from E or the International terminal at ORD.

[Edited 2011-06-12 00:35:11]

[Edited 2011-06-12 00:35:35]


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20975 times:

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
AF is offering a daily 343 this summer. I guess ORD is not a particularly strong AF city like PHL.

??? I believe AF handed over the PHL market to alliance partner DL, which is now conceding it to US?



FLYi
User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20917 times:

   Thanks for sharing. This is very bad news   
I know with the JV, it doesn't matter who operates the route, but on a pax point of view, replacing AF with a crappy DL763 and their horrible food is definitely an extremely bad news. I hope ORD will not finish like PHL...


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20836 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
This is very bad news

Agreed.

It's sad to see another US city/station being abandoned by Air France. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if SEA-CDG is replaced by DL, too.

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):

Could you please provide a source ?
Thanks.



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlineVal747 From France, joined Aug 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20798 times:

Sorry guys, but no single source about this information. It would surprise me a lot!

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 3):
It's sad to see another US city/station being abandoned by Air France.

AF has never been that important in the US, with MCO being its 11th US cities visited by AF birds, meaning more than 152 weekly flights!

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 3):
I wouldn't be surprised if SEA-CDG is replaced by DL, too.

I'm not sure about this one, as this flight works pretty good, with very decent loads.

Rgds
Val


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20773 times:

I already see it loaded in the res systems. The flight starts operating on 06Nov. You'll probably see it on AF.com and DL.com shortly.


DL 592 /J4 C4 D4 FR23DEC ORDCDG 1710 0835+1 767 0 DS
I4 S4 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 K4 L4 U4 TL EL


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 20758 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
I know with the JV, it doesn't matter who operates the route, but on a pax point of view, replacing AF with a crappy DL763 and their horrible food is definitely an extremely bad news.

The 767s are getting refurbished with fully flat seats. As far as the food goes, I've never tried Delta, but Air France was really good and I can't imagine Delta being better. That said, I might trade the food for a better seat.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20521 times:

AF664/667 CDG-ORD-CDG is a Daily A343 until Nov 5th.

Starting Nov 6th :

- 2 - 4 5 6 7 CDG.10:35 ----> ORD. 12:45 AF664 - A332 operated by Air France -

- 2 - 4 5 6 7 0RD. 17:20 ----> CDG. 08:35 AF667 - A332 operated by Air France -


Can be booked on airfrance.fr

A nice short video about AF and the U.S :

http://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/pr...ualites/air-france-aux-etats-unis/

[Edited 2011-06-12 02:53:33]

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19591 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
I know with the JV, it doesn't matter who operates the route, but on a pax point of view, replacing AF with a crappy DL763 and their horrible food is definitely an extremely bad news. I hope ORD will not finish like PHL...

Evidently, the perception will always be that Air France is nicer, with better food and service, and I would probably agree with your view. However, there are some advantages to flying DL:

- Economy comfort cabin for those flying coach who simply want an upgrade without buying a ticket for Premium Voyageur

- Solicitous, personable staff serving BusinessElite passengers. My experience is that AF has a different approach to service, which is at times more structured and less friendly and responsive than DL, even if the AF staff are prettier and more professional.

- Flat beds in BusinessElite. AF will not be changing their seats to flat beds for some time, if ever.

We should not expect ORD-CDG to "finish" like PHL, as there is much more demand exit ORD, but AF has struggled with that market for years as they simply have never had the feed to ORD to make it work like UA and AA. Right-sizing the aircraft on that route may make it work better and ensure the JV serves the market in the long run.


User currently offlineWABENNER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19010 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Starting Nov 6th :

- 2 - 4 5 6 7 CDG.10:35 ----> ORD. 12:45 AF664 - A332 operated by Air France -

- 2 - 4 5 6 7 0RD. 17:20 ----> CDG. 08:35 AF667 - A332 operated by Air France -
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):
DL 592 /J4 C4 D4 FR23DEC ORDCDG 1710 0835+1 767 0 DS
I4 S4 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 K4 L4 U4 TL EL

So is DL replacing AF or will AF still offer one flight? The above schedule looks like AF is still operating and DL will be operating ORDCDG only 10 minutes earlier


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18135 times:

Are any of DL's gates on E capable of handling Widebodies?

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3734 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18006 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 10):

Are any of DL's gates on E capable of handling Widebodies?

NWA used to park 742s and 744s on E back when they ran ORD-NRT. DL uses those gates today, and a 763ER is smaller than a 744, so I don't see why not.



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17574 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 8):
Right-sizing the aircraft on that route may make it work better and ensure the JV serves the market in the long run.

While I was seeing the logic in the case of PHL with DL putting a 757 instead of the AF 343 or 332 (AF having no 757), I do not see the logic here, a 763 being "equivalent" to what AF is using on this route.


User currently offlinejohnmke From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17557 times:

I think this is a loss for ORD to lose Air France. This will also be the only international arrival/departure out of ORD for Delta. What I find interesting is most of the delta (old NW) international routes are from MSP, DTW in this region. I wonder does Delta (Sky Team) plan on increasing its international presence in ORD?
maybe a better title for that would be.
Sky Team Vs. One World vs. Star Alliance, who will win ORD-CDG.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17555 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 8):
However, there are some advantages to flying DL:

No, none at all in making me wish to fly DL I'm afraid.


User currently offlineVal747 From France, joined Aug 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16859 times:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/06/12/dlaf-ordcdg-w11/

Apparently you will be flying on a DL767 to come to CDG from ORD...
Sad news...really


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16611 times:

I wonder how DL will do on the route. From what friends tell me, there was a certain cache by flying Air France. I knew people who were elite with AA or UA who would fly AF to Paris, because of the food.

With DL being just another U.S. carrier, I wonder how long it will last.

On the one hand, I can't believe that AF can't make money flying between the largest city in France and the 3rd largest metro area in the U.S.

On the other, with UA and AA getting feed for their flights to CDG, AF must be relying on O&D Chicago traffic.

This also begs the question of how AA and UA will respond.


User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16554 times:

Won't this allow AF to reallocate their 343 to a more profitable route from CDG say somewhere in Africa or Asia?

User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16553 times:

I just went to AF's site, there is a flight to ORD on AF metal on November 15.

User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15929 times:

Real sad. I think ORD has been served by AF since the 1970s/early 1980s at the very least?
KL's still going to fly AMS-ORD, I guess with only UA and no AA operating that there's less competition.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15843 times:

Interesting move. It seems AF never really outdid themselves on CDG-ORD. They usually operate the A330-200 during the winter months.

AF (& WX) ‹‹Voyageur›› ORD-CDG-SNN (lots Of Pics) (by AmricanShamrok Sep 11 2009 in Trip Reports)



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15769 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 19):
Real sad. I think ORD has been served by AF since the 1970s/early 1980s at the very least?

I may be mistaken, but I believe AF first started Chicago service on 21st October 1953, operating from Midway to Orly with a stop in Montreal, and have been serving Chicago continuously ever since – almost exactly 58 years by the time they leave on 28th October 2011.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinemike96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15724 times:

For me this is great news!
Of course I'm a DL employee so that just means I get more routes I can use my passes on. But as for the seats and service, Ive flown in business elite on the 763 a lot and I think the food is pretty decent and if you treat the FAs nicely they're bound to be good to you too, and with the new lie flats going in soon I can't wait to trythose out!


User currently offlinerolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15476 times:

How many of DL's 763ERs will have the flat bed seats by November?

[Edited 2011-06-12 11:23:02]

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15409 times:

With DL having hubs in DTW and MSP, why would they try to keep the ORD-CDG around, I would think that it would be competition for themselves more than for UA and AA.


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25 Post contains images fxramper : I agree. This makes no sense at all since DL ranks 3rd in food imho. I doubt it will last. You'll gradually see flyers convert to AA or UA on this ro
26 rwy04lga : To keep SkyTeam in the mix, absent AF. MSP and DTW may be important hubs for DL, but they're not ORD.
27 goldorak : AF has feed on the CDG side
28 DeltaMD90 : This makes sense. It gives DL a route to put a 767 on (since they are drawing back on some routes) and allowing AF to use their plane for another rout
29 _AA_777_MAN : Air France is not leaving ORD. Delta is just starting ORD-CDG for themselves If you look up the schedule they are both flying the route. AF is just do
30 hippocampes : But not for long. It is not clear when "soon" means. "Currently AIRFRANCE operating flight (AF664/667) is still available for reservation but will be
31 OzarkD9S : Wait, at DL you have to EARN good service by being nice the crew FIRST?
32 ripcordd : If AF leaves the market for DL this a win for UA/AA and since the route is not that great for either one of them this will help things a lot.
33 _AA_777_MAN : Lol : )
34 par13del : Well, looking at it another way, is the business about the carriers or the traffic between the two cities, would more Americans travel to France on D
35 bobnwa : Does that mean that you don't think that AF connects any passengers in its large hub in CDG going to ORD?
36 mayor : I would think they do.....but can you survive on a route like that, that has the potential to be so one sided? If it wasn't O&D traffic, how much
37 goldorak : Well, surely many Americans prefer to fly on an American carrier but I can tell you that, amomg American people I know who fly to France often, they
38 Post contains images mayor : Have you missed the news about DL upgrading the 767s and their int'l. service in general? Spending about $2billion in all to upgrade the fleet and th
39 MSPNWA : Surprising move to see DL take over an AF route from a non-hub. And what a downgrade--far inferior business/premium economy/economy products. With the
40 goldorak : There's really something strange in the routes distribution between AF and DL. As 2 examples, DTW-CDG was a NW route "given" to AF, while DTW is a DL(
41 Avianca : its a shame!!! what is the next step, AF leaving JFK?
42 Post contains images par13del : As I said, time will tell, just another viewpoint, let's also remember, as far as we on a.net are concerned, DL - one of the worlds largest airlines
43 Viscount724 : Following from AF website history section. Looks like the inaugural flight left ORY October 19, 1953, arrived MDW October 20, and the inaugural from
44 BOAC911 : This is what happens when bean counters (yes, accountants) start having the upper hand in joint-venture management. We will see where this will go for
45 ripcordd : This is will snowball with DL on the route the loads will become so weak they will have to pull out of the market. This is the same thing AA has done
46 Post contains images par13del : And as a pax that is your fault, if you would quantify the equation with the proper square root which has the co-efficient related to CASM where RASM
47 AADC10 : At ORD, nothing. AA and UA are both using 767s, I am not sure if a 757 could make it to CDG and they probably want to keep 3 class service on the rou
48 hippocampes : It may actually be a slight upguage, though insignificant in number. AF A330-200 208 seats (40 Affaires / 21 Premium voyageur / 147 voyageur) DL B767
49 ripcordd : AA & UA will now just get the originating ORD Passengers thats all on the CDG end nothing will change....Right now AA/UA/AF all split the Orig ORD
50 SESGDL : It's not as if UA or AA offer a superior product to DL. Especially given that DL is updating the interiors on its international 767s, DL will actuall
51 PSU.DTW.SCE : So much a.net dram being reported in this thread...... AF & DL participant in a 50-50 joint venture for all Trans-Atlantic flights. This enables t
52 United787 : I find it odd that AF struggled to ORD, a UA and AA hub, but AF dominates to IAD, a UA hub, to the point that UA has downgauged (and IMHO downgraded)
53 dlphoenix : IAD trafic is mostly O&D, ORD has many more connections where UA and AA trump SkyTeam. And FYI for paying J passengers a CO 757 with BF flat bed
54 Post contains images ericaasen : Well, speaking as someone who works for DL at ORD, we are all totally, 100% over the moon with this!!!!! I once said on here that it would be a cold d
55 flyguy89 : Could this become a new norm with all these TATL J/V's? Will we soon see more foreign carriers dropping US routes and letting their US counterparts ta
56 mayor : Well, that means you have more gates than we did on H concourse, when I worked there......we had H-6, H-8a/b, H-10a/b (although the city made us quit
57 bobnwa : Excellent post. You hit it right on. It is a joint venture flight that comes under control of the AF/KL/DL joint venture management. Not DL or AF ind
58 WABENNER : Probably a point of sale issue. ORD-CDG is more POS ORD, that is why AA and UA do better. IAD is probably more POS CDG, that is why AF does well. Eve
59 LAXdude1023 : According to the schedule, AF is out of ORD completely. DL is replacing them.
60 seatback : If they are operating as ONE airline across the Atlantic, then I'm not sure we can come to the conclusion that AF failed on the route. In reality, the
61 mayor : Well, at least part way thru November, both flights are still shown operating, on Delta.com and the employee site, Travelnet
62 BOAC911 : Regarding JVs: This is all nice and good, but to a paying customer AF is still AF, KL is still KL, and DL is still DL. However, bean counters are blin
63 TWA1985 : I didn't realize there was still a FA base at ORD! How many are there and are they PMNW or were they always with Delta?
64 usdcaguy : Does anyone know why the AF facilities in Terminal 5 will not be used for this flight? The domestic DL gate areas in Terminal 2 seem too cramped and u
65 mayor : Except that the 300ERs are being updated with new interiors.
66 IrishAyes : I am flying AF ORD-CDG this August. I guess I am lucky to experience it before it goes.
67 FSDan : Does anyone know how DL does on EWR-AMS? That seems to be a similar sort of route: operating from a rival hub in place of AF-KL.
68 ripcordd : DL will be leaving from terminal 2....It's part of the cost savings its very expensive to depart from terminal 5....NW used to have 747 leaving from t
69 RamblinMan : except for the fact that there's hardly a place to sit/stand/breathe in T2 during most of the day... adding a widebody out of there is not going to h
70 bobnwa : DL does very well on EWR-AMS since it is operating to and from a very large hub in AMS.
71 kotoka : I'm not sure why people are fascinated by AF food on Affaires. IMO it's just average compared to other business class offerings. I flew recently in A
72 Viscount724 : Virgin carriers have had bad luck in YYZ. Virgin Atlantic began LGW-YYZ service in June 2001 and dropped the route in mid-October after only 4 months
73 Cubsrule : Actually, late afternoon/early evening isn't a terribly crowded time in E. I departed around 1900 on DL to ATL a week ago or so - the security line w
74 FSDan : Well then, maybe they won't have as much trouble as people here are predicting on ORD-CDG, since they will be operating to and from a very large hub
75 delta2ual : Not sure how many there are, but the ORD FA base is PMNW. I know someone who is based here.
76 burnsie28 : Must be doing alright, NW/KL had operated it for several years before the merger as well.
77 GlobalCabotage : I give this route 6 months before it is canned. UA/CO will probably upgauge, AA seems to hold on, no way DL will surive in this market unless the CDG
78 DeltaMD90 : From a ticket perspective, does much change? Instead of going to DL's website and getting ORD-CDG operated by AF, now we go to to AF's website and get
79 commavia : I personally find that very hard to believe. I am very surprised to see Air France leaving this market - one of the most high-profile in the world -
80 cokepopper : Well if it makes anyone feel better, ask yourself how many years did Delta NOT operate JFK-CDG? only to just return? With the JV, routes will come and
81 timberwolf24 : I think right now everyone may be jumping the gun as to Air France leaving Chicago. As has been mention in the main posting Air France is being replac
82 GlobalCabotage : Chicago is a tough market to crack, even with close to, if not more than 10MM people. Some routes do really well in all classes, others do well in Y c
83 Cubsrule : I'm not sure that ORD hasn't been a prestige route for AF for a while. The route is widely reputed to be an absolute dog in the passenger cabins (bot
84 WROORD : I just checked AF website and for dates in November it shows AF non-stop flight with A330 for the winter. The site even says operated by AIR France, s
85 PSU.DTW.SCE : Not necessarily. The JV, primarily limited to TATL routes means that each carrier is going to operate a specified portion of flights / ASMs. Each is
86 Post contains images CHIBASEFA : Hello everyone. I'am a PMNW CHI based flight attendant. There are 74 of us at the moment. Most of our flying has been all domestic. Our patterns(rotat
87 peanuts : It's still beyond me most folks (on here) don't grasp the essence of a JV. What's all the fuss? But that's just it. It's NOT a new route. (operational
88 Cubsrule : I agree generally with your post, but I'm not sure I'm with you on this point - a Terminal 5 departure to a Terminal 2 departure is a significant cha
89 PSU.DTW.SCE : Correct. I should have stated, the vast majority of passengers are not going to see this as a negative move. Of course there are some up-sides to thi
90 MSPNWA : The people that spend thousands on a business class ticket. And invariability a few in economy as well that do their research. That's why to me it sp
91 hippocampes : Right. The change is made for a reason, and it is not insignificant. It cannot possibly be said the change is "no big deal" for the very people who m
92 ual777uk : Except of course, JFK to CDG, sees massive ops/hubs for DL and AF respectively and ORD to CDG does not. It is the future I agree but airlines will ma
93 usdcaguy : Thanks for your informative post, but this is preposterous. There is no why any of that would happen right now, unless ORD-NRT was brought back from
94 Post contains images ual777uk : Is it April 1st today? That rumour had beeter stay a rumour unless DL/AF have got money to flush down the drain.
95 Cubsrule : Many ATL gate areas and SkyClubs can be pretty unpleasant if there are operational issues at ATL; I don't think ORD is any worse.
96 CHIBASEFA : April 1st? No its June 14th and a week ago I thought CDG was a silly rumor. I keep hearing another 767 to LHR and a 777 to asia. But these are just si
97 PSU.DTW.SCE : Very true. Lately, the central DTW SkyClub has been a nut-house too. To be honest with you, I don't find the SkyClubs very pleasant any peak times ac
98 Cubsrule : That's true - at least at larger stations - across the board. Heck, the BNA SkyClub is a lot more pleasant at 5:30 a.m. when it's all but deserted th
99 plane2323 : I think the reason the LHR/Asia rumors seem less likely to most people is because they would indeed be NEW Skyteam flights (unless DL were to replace
100 mayor : The DL website lists both flights, at least thru November 15th.
101 ripcordd : Unless DL wants to loose more money than they prob are on BOS/MIA-LHR they wont start ORD-LHR.....I doubt they are going to replace KE since I think t
102 FSDan : I don't doubt that those rumors are around, but they do seem quite unlikely at least for now. The problem with LHR is, of course, slots. Either AF-KL
103 GlobalCabotage : I doubt DL will pick up Asian routes into ORD. KE is the only SkyTeam member flying ORD to Asia, currently 7x 744 equipment, with the schedule gonig t
104 timberwolf24 : This change takes place next month, I think July 25 is the date when the night flight starts. Both flight will be on the 744 through October when the
105 ericaasen : Don't forget ORD-NRT was one of NW's legacy routes. However, the rumor of the return of the NRT flight is like a bad penny, it just keeps coming up.
106 scorpy : with fuel costs the way they are, it would seem imprudent for Delta to go head to head with UA, AA, NH etc on such a well served route. If they want
107 ripcordd : NRT is weellllllllllll servered from ORD from the 4 airlines that fly it....all 4 of them have huge connecting flights on both ends UA/NH have JV AA/J
108 IrishAyes : There is no way KE is going to pull out of ORD nor handing it over to DL after the upgauge in capacity on ORDICN. ORDCDG switching to DL was much mor
109 CALPSAFltSkeds : This change can only lose passengers as consistency is lost. I predict DL will have to offer low-ball fares to get good loads, which will hurt everyo
110 SESGDL : DL, contrary to a.net beliefs of so many, is a very well-run airline. Whether or not you actually believe DL uses a dartboard, which is preposterous,
111 AussieItaliano : Well, if a DL 763 bothers them that much, then they can feel free to fly AA or UA. Or they can fly AF to another US city such as JFK and switch to DL
112 GlobalCabotage : DL is a very well run airline. I did my internship with them in graduate school and learned quite a bit. There are many AA basheres here and DL lovers
113 plane2323 : I realize I was not as clear as I wanted to be. In no way do I see KE pulling out of ORD a reasonable possibility (I know they are extremely strong h
114 PSU.DTW.SCE : The DL 763ER..... A.net's most disliked aircraft, closely followed by AA's MD-80s.
115 Cubsrule : Well, the DL fanboys constantly crow about how DL gets much better results with originating passengers at DTW than UA and AA do at ORD and how DTW-NR
116 ericaasen : I can vouch for that just by loading the late morning ORD-MSP and ORD-DTW flights. More than half of the connecting bags on both flights end up going
117 SESGDL : Not at all. DTW-HND is a short-term move to guarantee DL slots at HND in the future, when better slot times become available. The same can be said of
118 mayor : It's not an assertion if it's true. After reading all these posts, I'm amazed at the people that are implying DL is stupid for thinking about doing O
119 Post contains images IrishAyes : And there have also been plenty of failures as well. Look, I never brought into question how well-run/managed DL is. All I was suggesting is that the
120 hippocampes : True. And I agree. I mentioned in the same post 91 that "DL 763 seems to be a better fit". In fact, a newly refurbished 763 would soon be surerior in
121 ual777uk : Those passengers you talk about are likely the Y passengers who pay bucket shop prices as they dont know any better. As for those passengers that fly
122 PSU.DTW.SCE : The fact that we are even debating ORD-LHR and ORD-NRT service is ludacris. One new poster comes on here, an FA at that. While it is great to have an
123 Cubsrule : I don't think ORD-LHR is any less sensible than BOS/LAX-LHR. I'd put ORD-LHR on about the same level as SEA-LHR; ORD is a larger market, DL is weaker
124 azjubilee : If I remember correctly AF operated their 763 on ORD-CDG before they left the fleet, so the concept of a DL 763 on the route isn't a calamity as such
125 mah4546 : Oh, really? Delta's marketshare, JAN10-DEC10: ORDHKG - 1.75% ORDNRT - 2.3% ORDPEK - 0.93% ORDPVG - 2.56%
126 Post contains images SESGDL : What I said and the statistics you provided are two entirely different things. DL's competing with all of the other airlines on ORD-HKG, including UA
127 GlobalCabotage : Let's go for broke: DL to start ORD-ATH and DFW to MUC. Both of these make more sense than ORD-LHR on DL metal (unless DL gets a contract from Motorol
128 SESGDL : Again, why is this even being discussed? DL has shown ZERO interest apart from supposed rumors in these routes. Let's at least wait to see if this co
129 OA412 : Guys we went through almost the exact same thing when it was announced that DL was taking over PHL-CDG, and again when DL/AF announced they were seaso
130 mah4546 : It doesn't. In 2010, Delta carried less than 900 Chicago-Beijing passengers; less than 3,000 Chicago-Tokyo passengers (in average of ~4 PDEW). The on
131 SESGDL : I've gotten my info from personal experience and people at DL who frequently work these flights. If your statistics are correct then I am wrong. Big
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