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Vancouver To Guangzhou With China Southern Airline  
User currently offlineKamloops From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Hi there I reseached and didn't seem like this topic has been discussed.

While researching air for my clients to Asia, I had found China Southern Airlines, is offering direct service from Vancouver to Guangzhou in 2012.



Source:


http://blog.rewardscanada.ca/2011/01...uthern-to-launch-vancouver-to.html


I thought Air Canada had been looking at the route,

Seems like China Southern beat them to the punch,

What are your thoughts,

I think with the demand from both Canada and China, will be able to support the route.

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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4972 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Quoting Kamloops (Thread starter):
I thought Air Canada had been looking at the route,

Air Canada will introduce the route in 2010, with the on-time delivery of the B787. Daily from both YYZ and YVR.

 



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
Air Canada will introduce the route in 2010, with the on-time delivery of the B787

LOL!!!

Okay, so what do you really mean?



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
Air Canada will introduce the route in 2010

Do you mean 2012?


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 3):
Do you mean 2012?

It's called humour   Those kind of routes can't be launched until AC received its 787s...which should have been some time ago.


User currently offlineAllee From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

@Kamloops

CZ's first flight Guangzhou-Vancouver starts in two days (June 15th).


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13102 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4688 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
Air Canada will introduce the route in 2010, with the on-time delivery of the B787

LOL!!!

Okay, so what do you really mean?

  


Wipes tears from eyes. So when does AC actually receive their 787s? When might AC launch the route?

This is one of those routes that I think the 787 was built for. Sadly, for AC, I think feeding China Southern's CAN hub will have an easier time filling seats than AC.  

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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4972 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
So when does AC actually receive their 787s?

The last Boeing dart board/crystal ball prediction shows AC receiving the B787 in 2014.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Sadly, for AC, I think feeding China Southern's CAN hub will have an easier time filling seats than AC.

All of AC's China routes have a high 90s load factor. Not good. More aircraft are desperately needed.

I don't imagine CAN would be much different. Unfortunately, while the B777 would certainly fill, we don't have any to spare. And ... it is beyond the capability of either the A330, or B767-300.



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User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

But didn't CP used their 767 to Kai Tak for a time in the 90's? I am sure with shorter routing over Russia, the time would be even shorter.


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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4972 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 8):
But didn't CP used their 767 to Kai Tak for a time in the 90's? I am sure with shorter routing over Russia, the time would be even shorter.

I am not sure about Kai Tak, but CP did fly the B767 to PEK during low season. Also, AC flew the B767 YYZ-NRT, which is close to the same distance.

The YYZ-NRT flights were possible by restricting passenger loads to 160 passengers, and routing all cargo through YVR. The main intent was to keep the route open during the low/winter season. I don't imagine it was very profitable.

A YVR-CAN flight would face the same restrictions. And right now, while passenger loads are strong, cargo appears to be a huge profit area with respect to China flights. This would not be possible with a B767.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 8):
But didn't CP used their 767 to Kai Tak for a time in the 90's?

Never as far as I can recall.

[Edited 2011-06-14 15:48:54]

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting Allee (Reply 5):
CZ's first flight Guangzhou-Vancouver starts in two days (June 15th).

Is this still happening? I thought it had been removed from all booking systems and it seems the flights were postponed (again...) indefinitely. Maybe this is news and they are now planning on coming next year.

Likewise cargo, they were supposed to have been here since April with 747 & 777 F's, but they have not shown up so far.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 9):
cargo appears to be a huge profit area with respect to China flights.

   I am very surprised AC do not have 2 or 3 more 77W's on order. Or maybe they do...  



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User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 8):
But didn't CP used their 767 to Kai Tak for a time in the 90's? I am sure with shorter routing over Russia, the time would be even shorter.

Never recalled CP using 767 to HKG (neither Kai Tak or CLK), they only used 744 and DC10. They do use 763 to PEK on a regular basis, flew them once June 1997.

But I recall AC using 763 as sub for their 340 on no more than a handful of occasion a couple of years ago


User currently offlineAllee From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

@YVRLTN,

CZ329/CZ330 is definitely on. I just watched B-2056 (B772 in SkyTeam livery) take off 26L for CAN.


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