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Poll: AA/TWA Merger  
User currently offlineAirplanelover From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Are you going to miss TWA
or
Be glad there gone and that American took them over?

All opinions welcome !!

My Answer: I am going to miss TWA even though I wasn't wild about them. I would miss probably every airline but Air Tran.



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User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Yes, we will all miss TWA. Lots of good folks there. Enough history to write numerous books about.

It is better that AA bought them, rather than TWA suffer the fate of PA, EA, BN, or others.

You might want to do a search on this topic..lots of posts earlier this year.


User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

TWA was cool Smokin cool I will miss them a lot. Most of my flights have been on TWA and they were all great!

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

As someone working in a completely unrelated industry often managed by maniacs with a few screws loose, what impresses me most about TWA's history is the people who kept the airline running regardless of what saint or sinner was in the executive offices.

It takes a passion for aviation to pull that off, and, perhaps as some sort of small reward, TWA'ers will be spared the heartbreaking news footage of long lines of parked airplanes at Lambert waiting to be sold.

I hope the transition is smooth for you folks. Fingers crossed!


User currently offlineAirplanelover From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

At Pittsburgh(where I live), Nashville, & Las Vegas TWA has started operating its flights out of American Gates and baggage claim. I wonder who will take the gates place???

User currently offlineArch89U From United States of America, joined May 2001, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

I miss TW, although not badly. Never had a chance to fly on them. Although they will be sorely missed, a better airline has taken them over.

Long live AA,
Arch89U


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

I'll miss TWA myself because of its rich history & classy looking planes. TWA was in the same league as the original Pan Am. I'm sorry to see them go because of sloppy management, but I'm glad American came to their rescue. Because if American didn't, someone else would have. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
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I will miss TWA and I hope that AA will not do with TWA what they did with Reno and AirCal... dismantle them not to grow, but to eliminate a competitor. So far, AA is playing it off as a true merger of networks (with some exceptions) rather than an assimilate-and-destroy mission, but time will tell whether CAArty is the Savior of St. Louis or not.

User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

TWA was done for without AA.


Go Cubs!
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

TWA was done for without AA.

Lets not even go there, bro....


User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Hey, I really am going to miss TWA but let's be realistic here. They did have the right idea, they finally had competent management with a plan. But Carl Icahn gave TWA a cancer of sorts. Karabu constantly bled TWA and as I recall when AA announced they were going to buy TWA, they had to give TWA a huge sum of money just so the airline would'nt have to shut down later that week. Does anybody remember that? So yes, Trans World Airlines WAS done for without AA. They were out of money. I will also say that AA is certainly no savior, they had their own agenda too. They wanted TWA's STL hub, some say the increase in presence in San Juan, and they had to keep pace with UA which at the time looked like it was buying US Airways. It is a shame the TWA saga had to end this way but it is better than them having to shut down.


Go Cubs!
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

It must have been a sort of bittersweet revenge for TW employees to read of the bankruptcy judge nullifying the Karabu deal!

Ichan, though I'm sure he'll just take some huge tax credit on it, still got what he deserved, short of walking into a turning propeller.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

I recall when AA announced they were going to buy TWA, they had to give TWA a huge sum of money just so the airline would'nt have to shut down later that week. Does anybody remember that?

I am well aware of that. I was kinda involved with the deal myself, so it is a sore subject with me. Not only was DIP financing provided on January 9 along with a $50 million line of revolving credit, but an additional sum was due on the lease payments on March 10, which had been deferred 60 days as a result of the Chapter 11 filing. It was that additional DIP due on the lease payments that forced Judge Walsh to rush the hearings and rule without considering all the aspects of the proposed alternate offers, despite assertions in open court from Ed Weisfelner and Stan Lerch that they would provide DIP in lieu of AMR. Drop me a personal email if you wanna know the inside scoop on how the TWA deal was financed - there are some interesting tidbits of info that were never made public, but make the whole thing so much clearer.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

TWA should be happy they found a white night. Just ask the folks at Eastern, Braniff, or PanAm how they would have felt.
TWA at one point was probably a first class carrier. In the last ten years it was dismal and full of rude employees (who could blame them with management like that). I hated flying on them...so I'm actually glad their gone. I think the employees will end up liking their jobs at AA (primarily because they will still be collecting a paycheck!)


User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

What were the options before the judge?

Carl Ichan and his "Immediate 20% reduction in the workforce" and ten year extension of Karabu.

American Airlines,a major airline with the resources to basically keep TWA intact until its full integration into AA.

JAG, a newly incorporated entity with VERY lofty goals for TWA and an internet enthusiast or two with their names splashed all over the papers.

TWA itself advised the court they wanted the AA proposal,they were unwilling to take a chance with JAG, no matter how honorable/well meaning their intentions may have been.They certainly weren't about to allow Ichan another chance to pillage whatever was left of any value.

The IAM would've looked for big bucks and resisted ANY work rule changes.(See the Terminal 6 covenant at JFK)

Would Icahn have said "Sure, I'll let you buy out Karabu for a hundred million"?

Not likely.

The pace of change quickens, and TWA takes her place with the "Golden Age" carriers like Pan Am and Eastern.
They are gone, but they are not forgotten.



Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineACVITALE From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Fleetservice,

Excuse a few of us if we disagree. Further, I would argue that you as some of us have ulterior motives to your opinions. We all have the right to opinions. Just some stink more then others.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Why does everyone blame Icahn for TWA's faultering.

Last check had it pinned on the TWA management in the early 90s that AGREED to the KARABU ticketing agreement.

So again, why blame Icahn when it was TWA's OWN managers that killed the company?

Nate


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