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Fuel Truck Used To Block Running Plane's Departure  
User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 837 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 25209 times:

I came across this news story today, an employee at an FBO at MRH used a loaded fuel truck to block a running King Air B200 from departing over an $85 facility fee.

http://www.wcti12.com/news/28240607/detail.html

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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 24905 times:

What if the pilot got really angry, and against his better judgement, tried to maneuver the plane around the truck? I think the outcome of this could have been much worse. All this over $85. talktothehand 

[Edited 2011-06-15 15:20:11]


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 24834 times:

"When you park 1,200 gallons of jet fuel in front of a plane, it only takes common sense to know that it's a dangerous situation," said a locally-based corporate pilot, who did not want to leave his name. "It was incredibly unsafe."

Which is what made it effective in stopping the plane. Pay the landing fees next time.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 24649 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):

Which is what made it effective in stopping the plane. Pay the landing fees next time.

  

That fuel truck driver needs to be arrested for reckless endangerment and unlawful detainment. You do NOT use any kind of physical force or threat of violence to enforce a civil dispute. Even police officers, who are supposedly now going to be called to the scene, could not arrest the pilot, as there was no crime committed.

In addition, the company needs to be held liable for unauthorized seizure of the aircraft. Holding an airplane worth a million bucks is not legitimate collateral for 170 bucks in landing fees.



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User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24372 times:

Incredibly stupid thing to do over $85. There are other ways to collect the money that do not involve such dramatic measures.


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User currently offlineWisdom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24367 times:

Allow me to share another point of view from my experience:

Parking a fuel truck in front of an aircraft on chocks isn't anywhere near dangerous.
Removing chocks from a King Air while its engines are turning is very dangerous.

So this pilot was definitely in a hurry to leave.
In such a hurry that he forgot to remove the chocks, which he would have seen if he had done the routine and mandatory walk-around of the aircraft.
This pilot was putting his aircraft and his passengers at risk on 170$. That's reckless.

Common sense says that pilots and operators should pay their dues and landing fees.
If the pilot and operator go to such lengths to avoid paying 85$, they most certainly will do anything to save money even if it puts lives at risk.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24256 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):

That fuel truck driver needs to be arrested for reckless endangerment and unlawful detainment. You do NOT use any kind of physical force or threat of violence to enforce a civil dispute.

There wasn't any physical force used or a threat of violence. He just blocked the plane with a truck. A little much to call this reckless endangerment. Police use road blocks all the time to stop people from running, it would only have been reckless endangerment had the pilot tried to run over the fuel truck.

You guys are blaming the fueler for this when:

1) this was the second time the pilot had tried to leave the FBO without paying the facility fee
2) he didn’t take the wheel chalks off the plane before he tried to leave

It sounds like the pilot has more of a problem than the fuel truck driver.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 24010 times:

Reckless actions of the fuel truck driver. Airplanes jump chocks all the time and the dude didn't leave him any room to stop the airplane if that happened. This was a needless escalation that could have resulted in serious injury or death. They could even bust this guy on 91.11 if they wanted to.

As standard operating practice CLE doesn't collect ramp fees at the FBO, they take your tail number and mail to your registered address. That's what these overzealous guys should have done.

If the guy STILL didn't pay, well, this is what collections companies are for. There is ZERO NEED FOR A PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION.



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23974 times:

Why is everyone defending the pilot? 2nd time he tried to leave without paying what he owed. Pay your fees and dont try and do a runner, The whole situation is his fault.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23895 times:

Extremely dangerous to use a fuel truck as a barricade.

Use an old flat-top or barn lorry perhaps, but not a fuel truck. Can't believe how irresponsible and dangerous that is.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 10):
but the introduction of thousands of gallons of fuel means the punishment must be taken to a very serious level.

Some time locked away would be a decent start.

[Edited 2011-06-15 17:18:08]

User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3394 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23829 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 8):
Why is everyone defending the pilot? 2nd time he tried to leave without paying what he owed. Pay your fees and dont try and do a runner, The whole situation is his fault.

Say what? Perhaps you are unaware, but there is less extreme methods of making people pay thier debts. The legal system for example can put liens on your property if you fail to pay. If you continue to fail to pay then they can take that property and sell it to pay off the debts.

I really hope the FAA comes down on this airport like a ton of bricks. Its not ok to create unsafe situations for trival monetary concerns. I'd go as far as to say its not ok to create unsafe situations for serious monetary concerns. The problem is compounded by the use of a fuel truck. If it was a pickup, Catering truck, whatever... It would still be bad, but the introduction of thousands of gallons of fuel means the punishment must be taken to a very serious level.


User currently offlinecf6ppe From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23824 times:

Looks like registration N762NB is the culprit, which according to Flightaware was at MRH on Sunday, 6-12-11.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N762NB

Also looked up MRH on AirNAV i.e., - http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMRH - and their isn't a reference to an FBO, service or fuel vendor at MRH. Kind of interesting re: no reference to fuel vendor... makes me think that the MRH fuel vendor is hiding something or other or is a PITA to deal with.

For grins and giggles, look at your local airports through http://www.airnav.com/ then airports, and see if a fuel/service vendor(s) is mentioned and if so then read the comments re: how the vendor handled those brave enough to leave a few words. Some of the comments are very complimentary and well others are .....

This post is intended to add information to the thread. And give some links for folks to have fun with....   


User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23791 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
Police use road blocks all the time to stop people

A fuel truck driver is not a police officer.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
this was the second time the pilot had tried to leave the FBO without paying the facility fee
2) he didn’t take the wheel chalks off the plane before he tried to leave

So take the tail number down and send him a bill. That would be the professional thing to do. And a professional organization such as FBO should continue to act like one even when others do not. Also, the aircraft operator may have more than one pilot, so while it might be the second time for this aircraft it could be the first for the pilot.

Quoting Wisdom (Reply 5):
If the pilot and operator go to such lengths to avoid paying 85$, they most certainly will do anything to save money even if it puts lives at risk.

Melodramatic BS. We have no idea what the pilot's intentions were. When flying charter, I had situations where it was not clear if the parking fees could be billed to the same account or in the same method as fuel and other expenses. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. After having counter staff chase me out the door a few times, I developed the habit of asking, "is there anything else?" before leaving. You would be surprised the number of times the answer was, "Oh, while there is this other charge..."



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23733 times:

What was the guy driving thinking? Was he planning on making it away in time before a plane that is accelerating much faster than he can, hits it? There's no way he would've survived if a crash occurred. Who would pull a 007 stunt over 85 bucks? Thankfully, no one was hurt.


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User currently offlineN6238P From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23452 times:

I'm going to ask the dumb questions here and these are just observations of my own. Did the King Air pilot advance towards the fuel truck at all? At any time did anyone who works on the corporate side of aviation on this site ever think that the pilot would advance the throttles towards the fuel truck in any situation? I've seen pilots stop planes because they don't trust line guys judgement in their parking assignment thinking its too close another object. The only issue I see here is people actually believing the pilot would move towards the fuel truck.

Honestly this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen but not the most dangerous. $85 for a ramp fee for a King Air at a non-towered airport is insane. Parking the fuel truck in front of a plane to collect a fee, even more insane. Thinking a pilot is going to just throttle up to ramming speed and then putting this story on the news, well May sweeps must have stretched into June I guess.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23435 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):
That fuel truck driver needs to be arrested for reckless endangerment and unlawful detainment.

Why...??? Maybe he never moved the fuel truck after fueling the plane and the pilot just started up the King Air..!!??



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23376 times:

Not sure how its "unlawful detainment" either.. The guy isnt being held against his will, Just being stopped from flying his plane off without paying.

I can accept using a fuel truck of all vehicles for this is pretty stupid but the fault all stems with mr "I'm not gonna pay on multiple occasions". Plus wtf did he try and move the plane without moving the chalks?


User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 23291 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 16):
Plus wtf did he try and move the plane without moving the chalks?

I have done that one too. If you have a small set of chocks, and you don't remove them before loading, or you park the plane pointed down a slope, sometimes the chocks become wedged. If they are short enough, it is easier to just jump them rather than wait to push the plane back.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22642 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):


Which is what made it effective in stopping the plane. Pay the landing fees next time.

Correct!


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22531 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 6):
There wasn't any physical force used or a threat of violence. He just blocked the plane with a truck.

Short story.

I live in an apartment building next to a hotel. We own the driveway and there is an agreement with the hotel that they are allowed to have deliveries and garbage pickups between 9a-5p.

Well, the hotel's garbage truck pickup started coming around 7am. Yes, my apartment is right above the driveway. We contacted the hotel, they said "there wasn't anything they could do."

After about a month of this, I woke up a little before 7am one day and took my car and blocked the driveway as the garbage truck drove up. The manager of the hotel came out (I was the President of the condo board at the time, so I did have some authority) and we exchanged words, among them, from me, "You can push your dumpsters through your lobby and have your garbage pickups at 7am if you want, but enough is enough."

That got their attention. The garbage truck has come between 9:00am and 9:30am ever since.  

[Edited 2011-06-15 19:10:06]

[Edited 2011-06-15 19:10:54]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22051 times:

Quoting lowrider (Reply 12):
A fuel truck driver is not a police officer.

Why do all of you think pilots are any different than drivers? I pumped gas at an FBO at an airport for 7 years, there's not that much difference. Sure at the commercial airline level there is, but not much when it comes to charter/pilot service/etc. Not that they're bad people, the overwhelming majority of them are, but just because they're flying an expensive plane doesn't give them the ok to skip out on landing fees. What if he had bolted on his Jet-A bill? It's not really that different.

Quoting lowrider (Reply 12):
So take the tail number down and send him a bill. That would be the professional thing to do. And a professional organization such as FBO should continue to act like one even when others do not. Also, the aircraft operator may have more than one pilot, so while it might be the second time for this aircraft it could be the first for the pilot.

An FBO is a business. No different than any other small business. You're telling me that they should act professional? What about the pilot/owner of the aircraft. KA-200s are a dime a dozen, they are literally everywhere. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that any FBO doing pilot service on this plane would ever leave a FBO twice even with different pilots. This was a corporate pilot skipping out.

This falls under "screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me". It's obvious you haven't seen the GA side of aviation.



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User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21749 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 20):
It's obvious you haven't seen the GA side of aviation.

If you want to get personal about it, I have probably seen more of the GA side than most. I went from pumping gas, to shift manager, to CFI to head CFI, to corporate and pilot services, not to mention the GA interludes between airlines. I have even been to this exact FBO when it was operated by a previous owner ago. As a shift manager, I would have immediately suspended anyone who deliberately pulled in front of a running aircraft. A letter and a bill will still get the money, and maintain a level of professionalism and customer service that is obviously not valued here.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 20):
KA-200s are a dime a dozen, they are literally everywhere. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that any FBO doing pilot service on this plane would ever leave a FBO twice even with different pilots. This was a corporate pilot skipping out.

Since you can read the thoughts and intents of a pilot thousands of miles away and divine the staffing of a flight department from a brief news article, perhaps you could share your stock picks for the week?

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 20):
What if he had bolted on his Jet-A bill? It's not really that different.

Seen that happen. Never had to go past the point of threatening to put a lien against the aircraft to get paid. There are ways to be deal with these sorts of problems in a civilized manner, as opposed to this immature nonsense.



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User currently offlineIPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21691 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 8):
Why is everyone defending the pilot? 2nd time he tried to leave without paying what he owed. Pay your fees and dont try and do a runner, The whole situation is his fault.

No doubt about it. Get the reg # and send him a bill? Call a collection agency? You'll never get a penny -- not when it's the 2nd time he skipped w/o paying in a week. If you run a restaurant and someone does the dine-and-dash, do you serve them and let them do it again?


User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21476 times:

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 22):
Quoting Giancavia (Reply 8):
Why is everyone defending the pilot? 2nd time he tried to leave without paying what he owed. Pay your fees and dont try and do a runner, The whole situation is his fault.

No doubt about it. Get the reg # and send him a bill? Call a collection agency? You'll never get a penny -- not when it's the 2nd time he skipped w/o paying in a week. If you run a restaurant and someone does the dine-and-dash, do you serve them and let them do it again?

No one is defending the pilot, but the actions of the fuel truck driver were inexcusable. Unlike your diner example, you know the identity of the aircraft. They may even have a credit card impression from a fuel sale. It is relatively easy to find out where the aircraft went, and who owns it. The FBO could even reasonably tack on a penalty for failure to pay at time of service.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21390 times:

Quoting lowrider (Reply 21):
If you want to get personal about it, I have probably seen more of the GA side than most. I went from pumping gas, to shift manager, to CFI to head CFI, to corporate and pilot services, not to mention the GA interludes between airlines. I have even been to this exact FBO when it was operated by a previous owner ago. As a shift manager, I would have immediately suspended anyone who deliberately pulled in front of a running aircraft. A letter and a bill will still get the money, and maintain a level of professionalism and customer service that is obviously not valued here.

Not getting personal, I just said that FBOs are a business. Would you continue to let this outfit leave without paying? You're assuming they will actually pay, they obviously didn't the first time and had no intention of doing it the second time. It ceases being a customer service issue the second time. In the 7 years I worked at a FBO this only happened twice where I worked. See below:

Quoting lowrider (Reply 21):
Seen that happen. Never had to go past the point of threatening to put a lien against the aircraft to get paid.

The first time they didn't pay their bill, we let them fly. The second time we filed a lien against them and chained the props. It's a business and I worked at a regional airport. If someone got behind on their hanger rent their plane didn't get pulled out, if you didn't pay your fuel bill we didn't keep fueling the plane.

100 LL averages around $7/gal right now a 182 takes around 88 gallons that's a lot of money for a small business to front. A KA 200 holds around 544 gallons at around $5.50 a gallon, you do the math, that's a lot of money.



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25 Post contains images my1le : Thats why it is best to get a card on file for all clients... if they bug out - just charge it! Parking a fuel truck in front of an aircraft is not ne
26 lowrider : And that FBO has now ensured they will never get any more from this aircraft. We are not talking about thousands in fuel, we are talking about a tota
27 canoecarrier : I bet they'd be ok with that. The pilot did it once he'll do it again. I've seen a plane chained up for months. When do you think they'd say "no more
28 PolymerPlane : Letting a customer pay for the fees instead of the pilot, now that is pretty low. There's no information whether the fuel truck was in front of the ai
29 zeke : I agree, does the FAA have a regulation for parking of fuel truck near aircraft ? overseas such trucks should be no closer than 20 ft to stationary a
30 Dazed767 : Good for them! I've seen it all too often in my FBO days. Some of these corporate pilots think they are above everyone and are usually worse than thei
31 Max Q : Storm in a teacup, This happened to me more than once while flying freight for an operation that 'tended to be late paying it's bills' They never did
32 Maverick623 : Putting a truck in front of a running airplane is physical force. OK guy, let's get some things straight here: a) The fuel truck driver is not a poli
33 PolymerPlane : There's no info whether the engines were already started when the truck was parked there. Who knows if the pilot was crazy enough to start the engine
34 cvg2lga : Wouldn't the professional thing to do be the pilot paying his due fees? The whole problem could have possibly been avoided by this alone. Tchau DA-
35 Maverick623 : Technically, yes, but two wrongs don't make a right, especially when the second wrong is worse than the first one.
36 zeke : I do not think so, the lien does not allow you to damage the goods. The chains would start a corrosion point, and may even scratch the props to devel
37 Maverick623 : Ah, gotcha.
38 aviators99 : The FBO was completely out of line. They had no right to detain the plane. However, just a possible correction of fact. I believe the operator of the
39 airport1970 : I do not know how many holes I can poke in this television news story and also the replies by many in this thread. Let us assume that this media repor
40 Giancavia : Interesting, thanks.
41 airport1970 : To an unrestrained aircraft under power.... or unrestrained in a storm.... a chock is nothing more than a pencil under a tire.
42 HAWK21M : You don't break a rule with a tool that can cause more damage. Shouldn't the appropriate Authorities be Informed rather than acting on his own. The Fu
43 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : It's not even a GOOD non-towered airport, one with even a mediocre FBO. I'm not even convinced the guy knew about the ramp fee. Hell, the presence of
44 JBirdAV8r : This sounds quite likely. Granted, but 1) don't you approach from behind in those situations and 2) you don't park the fuel truck in front of someone
45 horstroad : why does everyone blame the fule truck driver? i don't think it was his decition to block the runway. airport operators have the right to block the ru
46 JBirdAV8r : Even if he was told by his manager to do it, he still shouldn't have done it. In this case, as in most cases, the airport is not their property. They
47 bjorn14 : Back in the day...an FBO parked a fuel truck in front of a DC-7 that a charter company owned 'cuz they couldn't pay the fuel bill. Granted it wasn't f
48 nkops : I have actually used airport vehicles to block planes that owed money, however, I would NEVER use a fuel truck.... and it was a little more than $85 (
49 JBirdAV8r : And they weren't running and probably unoccupied when you did it, right? That's the "right" way to do it. That's playing hardball without being confr
50 nkops : You are correct.. it was a 737-200.
51 worldliner : Wow!! Its a good job he stopped, the guy driving the truck must of have no fear.
52 coffeepilot : I've seen fuel trucks block jets before, but in this case with it being a BE200 things could go more wrong with the props. If the fuel truck was parke
53 einsteinboricua : What I get here is that most people would be willing to let others get away without paying. Be it a good or bad airport, towered or not, it's still an
54 lowrider : As others have stated, you could send it to a collection agency, place a lien on the aircraft, or even file a suit in small claims court. All of whic
55 tp1040 : Of course the media doesn't give a clear picture of what really happened. But somebody quickly got some video. Pilot had been there before. According
56 KC135TopBoom : What a stupid remark by the other pilot. At airports everywhere, fuel trucks routinely park next to aircraft, even when they are not servicing that a
57 L-188 : It sounds more like this pilot is just ticked he got caught. Jet fuel is infact very hard stuff to light off. You need a specific set of circumstances
58 Maverick623 : Talk about stupid remarks. No airport I know of parks a fuel truck in front of a running airplane to try to prevent it from leaving. Again, not a cri
59 B727FA : No more "unlawful detainment" then the Asset Protection folks at any department store who will block your car in the parking lot. No, it's not apples
60 Maverick623 : THE PILOT DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME. So yes, it is apples to oranges. That's illegal. The video is in the link at the top of the page. Maybe you should
61 canoecarrier : It didn't sound like they were getting money from them anyway. The props were chained by local law enforcement. It was an An-24 and it stayed there f
62 474218 : May be in Austrulia you have an "old flat-top or barn lorry" laying around at every airport, but not so in the United States. I seem to remember when
63 Maverick623 : For the record, I agree that it should be that way. However, it does not change the fact that an FBO and it's fuel truck driver are NOT cops, and hav
64 Post contains images tp1040 : Who said they were cops? The fuel truck just happened to park there.
65 Post contains links PolymerPlane : Actualy citizens are allowed to make citizen's arrest. in NC: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...ection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-404.html
66 arffguy : Back in my fueling days, I would have impatient pilots fire up the engines with my fuel truck in front of the plane even when they didn't owe me money
67 Maverick623 : For the >9000th time, there was no crime committed. Also, for a "citizen's arrest" (technically, it's a detainment) to be valid, the cops HAVE to
68 Wisdom : Parking the fuel truck in front of the airplane has solved the problem without any further intervention from anyone. What would it cost and how much
69 Maverick623 : Sorry guy, we don't believe in anarchy here. So if I don't like when someone is talking, the easiest way to shut them up is to shoot them. Does that
70 Post contains images KaiGywer : Since this happened in NC, why are you quoting SC laws? Not that I can find a statute in NC either
71 XT6Wagon : And the pilot getting out of the plane, kicking the drivers butt, then removing the truck from infront of the plane would have removed the safety iss
72 indolikaa : Sorry Mav, I have to respectfully disagree with you, but only insofar as this is a civil dispute. In North Carolina, that may qualify as a felony und
73 indolikaa : Sorry to double-post, but absolutely not true! And my state is not the only state that sanctions the practice (but it is the one I am most familiar w
74 Post contains images KHPN : i say he should have at least just used a tug instead of a fuel truck!
75 lowrider : Last time I was in small claims court, which was good for suits up to $5000, it cost me $40 in filing fees. No attorneys are required, and some state
76 Post contains links fuelfool : A prop lock is not a modification to an airplane. Removing the prop would be. There are locks specifically made to do this without causing damage. ht
77 IPFreely : Heck, the plane is from South Carolina. He's lucky he was trying to steal from an airport in North Carolina. If he'd done it in South Carolina, the F
78 Post contains images Maverick623 : Arizona laws do not apply in North Carolina. The "same thing" being theft of a service for a total amount of $170. If you had bothered to read the wh
79 PolymerPlane : crime or felony? larceny under $1,000 is misdemeanor, which is a crime. Regardless, NC statutes allow detention by private persons for crime of theft
80 airport1970 : Again...everyone... Lighten up Francis. Yes it makes good local television news.. but we will never know all the facts... No one here has pointed out
81 bjorn14 : So what's the difference between this and shoplifting? Store owners hold suspects all the time while waiting for the cops to ARREST them? Then there'
82 Maverick623 : Nope... that's not how it works. How do you know that the FBO was gonna call the cops? How do you know a police report was filed? Given the statement
83 tp1040 : To change the discussion slightly, my knowledge of the exact operations of airports is limited. This is separate from the fuel truck and more general
84 Post contains links Bennett123 : Clearly the pilot should have paid the bill. However, pulling in front of a moving aircraft, is IMO plain stupid. The possible consequences of a colli
85 N6238P : Was the aircraft moving?
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