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Go Air (India) Orders 72 A320Neo  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

Yes, that's right. 72 firm orders, deliveries starting 2015. I guess it is now definite Go Air too will look at international expansion!

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-dow-jones/articleshow/8874005.cms


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8271 times:
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Well, the Airbus A320-NEO series are gaining momentum. Which is not really surprising, but is nice to see. Boeing's reaction will come rather sooner than later I guess.  .

User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8165 times:

Wadia is on a roll i guess...............

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
72 firm orders

Holy cr.. !
That's now 422 commitments and firm orders.
And next week comes Paris.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1609 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8097 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 3):
That's now 422 commitments and firm orders.
And next week comes Paris.



Am I being overly enthusiastic if I think a 1000 NEO orders after Paris is possible?

Ow and of course congrats to Airbus and GoAir!!  Silly  thumbsup 

[Edited 2011-06-16 01:29:06]


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User currently offlinespr773 From India, joined Jun 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

   Congrats to Airbus and hope Go Air succeds with their ambitious plans.   

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Wooaaw!

That´s a LOT of Airbus´s in India!

Congrat´s to GoAir - IndiGo - Air India (16 A320s) - Jet Airways (10 A332s)

Did I miss any?

//Mike 



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Looks like Airbus A320s are going ahead of B737s in the country.

Congrats finally looks like the new Mgmt team has decided GoAir will stay in the Business after all.



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User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7083 times:

The longer Boeing wait in announcing thee 737NEO (or whatever it will be called), the more orders will go to Airbus.

Congratulations Airbus and Go Air.



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User currently offlineteva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting worldliner (Reply 8):
The longer Boeing wait in announcing thee 737NEO (or whatever it will be called), the more orders will go to Airbus.

anotjer example: today's order by CEBU of 30 A321 NEO (+10 new options) ( and 7 A320, firming options from previous contract)
source in French: http://www.aerocontact.com/actualite...mande-30-airbus-a321neo~12186.html



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6916 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Yes, that's right. 72 firm orders

Great News, congrats to Airbus and Go Air, glad to see a firm order instead a LOI or similar.

Looks like we will see a lot of Airbus metal in Asia the next years !!!

Rgrds.

G.



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User currently offlineMUCramp From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Is there any desicion on the engine, yet?

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6079 times:

Congratulations to both Airbus and GoAir.

I have had doubts in the past about GoAir's long term viability as a stand alone operator given its small fleet. This large order changes that view.

So there will be three strong LCCs in India: GoAir based in BOM, SpiceJet based in MAA, and Indigo based in DEL.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12492 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5941 times:
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Quoting worldliner (Reply 8):

It can be argued that Boeing hasn't lost a single 737 sale as all the currently announced neo orders are from existing A320 operators. Of course, if Airbus announces a large neo order from a 737NG operator at Paris, then that argument goes out the window!



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5625 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
It can be argued that Boeing hasn't lost a single 737 sale as all the currently announced neo orders are from existing A320 operators.

It can indeed be argued.

It can equally be argued that by the time Boeing decide what they're going to do, then the bulk of existing A32X operators will already have committed to the A320NEO.
In which case, I suspect John Leahy may be proved right in that there will be no point whatsoever in Boeing spending $10Bn on a new plane just to replace 737's being operated by existing customers....

And as Boeing equally argue that the existing 737 is "more than a match" for the A320NEO, then surely a 737NEO would by now have already prompted defections from Airbus?   .

Or have I missed something?  

Rgds


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):
And as Boeing equally argue that the existing 737 is "more than a match" for the A320NEO, then surely a 737NEO would by now have already prompted defections from Airbus? .

Or have I missed something?

It is hard to see how the 737 turns out to be more than a match for A320NEO. If it does, it would suggest that the current 737 burns considerably less fuel than the current A320(as A320NEO is expected to be burn 15% less fuel).

Mandala499's fuel burn numbers for 737/320 do not show a 15% difference in fuel burn in favor of 737. So for 737 to be more than a match for A320NEO in overall operating costs, Boeing will have to offer steep discounts relative to A320NEO.

Boeing could very well offer steep discounts on 737 to keep it competitive as it buys more time to work on a Y1. I am leaning more towards a Y1(with new Al-Li material from Alcoa) over 737NEO.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Am I the only one that finds it strange that an airline that only operates 10 airplanes currently and is only 5 years old with 3 more A320s on order can somehow get the financing lined up to make an order for 72 planes for delivery 5 years in the future? I guess it is somewhat similar to Lion Air's huge 739ER purchase when they were tiny and they have taken 50 739ERs so far so it is possible. I just question the Go Air leadership if they are confident that they can grow that much.


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User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

This may be a stupid question but do Indian carriers need to have 20 aircraft in fleet to fly international or does just having them on order count?

User currently onlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 16):
Am I the only one that finds it strange that an airline that only operates 10 airplanes currently and is only 5 years old with 3 more A320s on order can somehow get the financing lined up to make an order for 72 planes for delivery 5 years in the future?

Dunno how they are doing thier order financing, but Skybus's order was secured with a deposit per plane that was far less than most cars cost. I think it was just a bit over $20K a plane.

Which honestly doesn't indicate a problematic order or that Airbus is going crazy to secure "orders". Low deposits at time of order for a plane they have no trouble selling in the case of cancelations isn't a concern. Now if I was a stock holder I would want to see healthy sized payments required when the slot comes up for inital parts ordering, and substantial progress payments as the plane is constructed. This is where Airbus could stand to lose more than some time of a sales man and his support staff as real hardware has some real costs.


User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2223 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):
And as Boeing equally argue that the existing 737 is "more than a match" for the A320NEO, then surely a 737NEO would by now have already prompted defections from Airbus?

Should, but probably less than in the past (defections from A320 to 737NG). Oh wait, in the past there were less defections from A320 to 737NG than in the reverse direction...!

If a more-than-matching Boeing aircraft trails on the market I don't want to know how bad they would sell if they would barely just match the other!

Oh wait, Boeing is lying and they ARE about equally good....


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12492 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
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Interestingly, this order still hasn't been confirmed by Airbus. I wonder if this is one that shouldn't have come out until next week?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 18):
Dunno how they are doing thier order financing, but Skybus's order was secured with a deposit per plane that was far less than most cars cost. I think it was just a bit over $20K a plane.

Which honestly doesn't indicate a problematic order or that Airbus is going crazy to secure "orders". Low deposits at time of order for a plane they have no trouble selling in the case of cancelations isn't a concern. Now if I was a stock holder I would want to see healthy sized payments required when the slot comes up for inital parts ordering, and substantial progress payments as the plane is constructed. This is where Airbus could stand to lose more than some time of a sales man and his support staff as real hardware has some real costs.

I am just dumbfounded that an airline can honestly predict that it will be able to sustain 700% growth over the next 10 years when they only have 10 planes at this point. The Indian market is growing at about 9% per year, but Spicejet, Kingfisher, Jet Airways, and IndiGo are also growing too. We all saw what happened when Kingfisher thought they could conquer the world and ended up ordering A340-500s for nonstop service to the United States and ordered A380s only to have those plans turn south. And we saw Jet Airways having to lease out its planes too. I just wonder about the Indian aviation market and see all the growth as unsustanainable. Apart from the government owned carriers, will Spicejet, Kingfisher, Jet Airways, IndiGo and Go Air all be able to succeed with their expansion plans? It seems very ambitious.



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User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

That is a nice sized order. A32XNEO is doing very well indeed.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12492 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
It seems very ambitious.

Not when you consider the population and the rapidly expanding proportion of that population that can afford to fly. Also, don't forget these are neos, it's not like all 70 are turning up next year.



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