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Aeroflot Expansion Plans  
User currently offlinehjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 875 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14460 times:

According to latest ACAS Data, Aeroflot currently has a fleet of 102 Passenger Aircraft. The fleet includes
15 A319
42 A320
18 A321
5 A332
5 A333
10 763ER
6 IL96-300
1 SSJ

However, what's more interesting is the number of planes Aeroflot has on order. It seems like they are really planning to ramp up services and become a major global carrier, connecting passenger flows from Europe to Asia/India and vice versa with a good HUB location at SVO.

In the upcoming years, Aeroflot will receive an additional:
2 A320
8 A321
11 A333
18 A350-800
4 A350-900
15 737-700
25 737-800
10 737-900ER
8 773ER + (rumor for 8 additional frames)?
22 787
29 SSJ

I understand with the conglomeration of some Russian Airlines into Aeroflot will require new aircraft, most likely the Boeing 737NGs, but with so many wide-bodies on order, they are bound to grow and perhaps follow a similar business model to Turkish Airline and to a lessor extent Emirates. However, if they take this approach, I still see several hurdles, most notably being visa regulations in Russia and the lack of infrastructure, despite a new Terminal at SVO. What are your opinions?

I also think that Aeroflot will retire their 763ERs and maybe return some of the A330's that are on lease, but with an additional order placed, they seem quite satifisfied to replace their 763 Fleet with the A330's which means the A350, 787 and 777 fleets would be all for organic growth!.

Lastly, there is also the possibility of Aeroflot ordering the MS-21 which is due in 2016. I wonder how all these different models will fit into the Aeroflot fleet.


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14140 times:

Quoting hjulicher (Thread starter):
However, if they take this approach, I still see several hurdles, most notably being visa regulations in Russia and the lack of infrastructure, despite a new Terminal at SVO. What are your opinions?

The new SVO terminals are very nice and don't require visa for any transfer pax.

Quoting hjulicher (Thread starter):
Lastly, there is also the possibility of Aeroflot ordering the MS-21 which is due in 2016. I wonder how all these different models will fit into the Aeroflot fleet.

It's 99.9% SU will order the MS-21, simply because they're "softly forced' to.  



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13849 times:

Does anyone know if Aeroflot is going to expand anywhere in North America?

User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

I hope they come back to Canada

User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 239 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Not so much a big expansion but still:

[top up] +2 A320 / +8 A321
The remainder of their original order.

[top up] +11 A333
These are interim leases to cater for IL96 replacements and growth and as far as I know their 767-300ER leases are set to expire in a few years so the A333 will take over what's currently flown on 763 until 787 comes online.

[new] 18 x A350-800 / 4 x A350-900
These are for A332 + A333 replacements down the road.

[new] 15 x 737-700 / 25 x 737-800 / 10 x 737-900ER
These were not ordered by Aeroflot and the fate of these Boeings is still undecided. Rosteknologii ordered those for creating a new carrier and they may end up with Aeroflot, just not clear yet
Source: http://www.advfn.com/news_UPDATE-Rus...t-Seals-Boeing-Order_43103870.html

[new] 8 x 773ER + (rumor for 8 additional frames)?
These are definitely for growth and they need them for Asia big time. Rumour has it they got them at a great price due to 787 delays (unconfirmed). Definitely destined for Asia trunk routes. Also may be used on SVO - Russia Far East, Transaero already flies B747-400 Daily on DME-KHV and soon on DME-VVO

[new] 22 x 787 - 8
See 767-300ER replacement. 10 vis-a-vis replacements + growth. SU has a steady growth in Asia and Latin America may be opened safely with the 787. Remember Aeroflot used to serve Latin America and Africa very extensively some years ago.

[top up] 29 x SSJ
The SuperJet is russian-built and they were softly obliged to order them for regional routes (same with MS-21 BTW)

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[Edited 2011-06-17 14:29:08]

[Edited 2011-06-17 14:37:11]


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User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 239 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 2):
Does anyone know if Aeroflot is going to expand anywhere in North America?

The destinations under constant review for service start are all former SU stations over the years:

- ORD
- SFO
- MIA (Transaero tried it 2 weekly on 747-400 but scaled-down to 1 weekly)
- SEA
- YYZ
- YMQ
- MEX (It is very likely and I know for sure SU are reviewing is actively. If UN doesn't do it first.)

Problem with North America (namely USA and Canada) for Aeroflot is the stringent Visa requirements for Russian nationals. Also yields may be a problem 'cause a big chunk of their traffic is VFR. Some stations may support seasonal routes but unlike American carriers SU hardly ever bothers to open stations that are not year-round.

Significant growth would be possible only if visa requirements are somewhat eased or there is a significant spike in business traffic which is not the case so far. Some service increases or capacity adjustments may materialize to JFK and/or ATL, both a SkyTeam hubs in association with DL. Other than that North America is not a priority for Aeroflot right now. The growth is Asia, first and foremost and maybe Latin America as Russian business grows and matures there.

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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13384 times:

Quoting sofianec (Reply 5):
The destinations under constant review for service start are all former SU stations over the years:

- ORD
- SFO
- MIA (Transaero tried it 2 weekly on 747-400 but scaled-down to 1 weekly)
- SEA
- YYZ
- YMQ
- MEX (It is very likely and I know for sure SU are reviewing is actively. If UN doesn't do it first.)

Problem with North America (namely USA and Canada) for Aeroflot is the stringent Visa requirements for Russian nationals. Also yields may be a problem 'cause a big chunk of their traffic is VFR. Some stations may support seasonal routes but unlike American carriers SU hardly ever bothers to open stations that are not year-round.

Significant growth would be possible only if visa requirements are somewhat eased or there is a significant spike in business traffic which is not the case so far. Some service increases or capacity adjustments may materialize to JFK and/or ATL, both a SkyTeam hubs in association with DL. Other than that North America is not a priority for Aeroflot right now. The growth is Asia, first and foremost and maybe Latin America as Russian business grows and matures there.

Well all these destinations can very well work for them. Also, doesn't SVO have sterile transit rooms? I remember reading somewhere on here that they did. As for MIA I would imagine that Transaero just wasn't able to do it well. They barely did much to advertise (here in MIA I don't know if they did in Russia), they don't have too much connections to offer and they kind of overkilled it with the 747.

Although there is tons of demand between MIA and Russia in general they just haven't been able to capture the market. ORD seems sort of plausible, with no other carrier on the route and your connecting two large cities it might work... YYZ seems good too as again, no competition. SFO might also do well. Although SEA and YMQ I don't know... MEX is very likely though. They used to serve it before with a routing like SVO-SNN-HAV-MEX and then later SVO-SNN-MIA-MEX, so you can tell it was quite difficult for them.

As you said Asia does seem to be SU's best choicee. Although theres more competition it could work very well for them. They are positioned pretty well for connections (from some places though) and the airport isn't too bad. Expanding in the US is kind of risky with already a ton of other European carriers catering to SVO's needs through their hubs. With Asia at least the story is a bit different as most Russians won't want to do SVO-FRA-CAN or something like that....


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12237 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 6):
As you said Asia does seem to be SU's best choicee. Although theres more competition it could work very well for them. They are positioned pretty well for connections (from some places though) and the airport isn't too bad. Expanding in the US is kind of risky with already a ton of other European carriers catering to SVO's needs through their hubs. With Asia at least the story is a bit different as most Russians won't want to do SVO-FRA-CAN or something like that....

Interestingly, Russians LOVE southern China as a vacation destination ( while in Hainan, for the first time in my life, I was repeatedly mistaken for a Russian. In Hainan, you see Cyrillic as much as you do English!) Ural Airlines and Transaero already serve SYX, but with the Skyteam ties to ZNH, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see CAN service in the near future, complementing China Southern's existing service, but maybe from somewhere other than Moscow.



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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11095 times:
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Quoting hjulicher (Thread starter):
In the upcoming years, Aeroflot will receive an additional:
........
15 737-700
25 737-800
10 737-900ER

I can't remember reading about this in the past. Or might be announced at the Paris AirShow? As on the link of Boeing Orders there are on the 8 777 (http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm)

Could the A32S orders be converted in to NEO?


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4144 posts, RR: 90
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10321 times:
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Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 8):
Quoting hjulicher (Thread starter):
In the upcoming years, Aeroflot will receive an additional:
........
15 737-700
25 737-800
10 737-900ER

I can't remember reading about this in the past.

If you do a user defined report on the Boeing O&D spreadsheet those are the 50 737s ordered by Russian Technologies which were booked on the 13th of October, 2010. Though as noted below, they may not be for Aeroflot.

Quoting sofianec (Reply 4):
[new] 15 x 737-700 / 25 x 737-800 / 10 x 737-900ER
These were not ordered by Aeroflot and the fate of these Boeings is still undecided. Rosteknologii ordered those for creating a new carrier and they may end up with Aeroflot, just not clear yet
Source: http://www.advfn.com/news_UPDATE-Rus....html

That said, there is a very strong chance that we'll see Aeroflot order the A320NEO before the year is out.

Quoting sofianec (Reply 4):
8 x 773ER + (rumor for 8 additional frames)?

Any recent updates on the extra 8 777s that Aeroflot are reported to be taking?

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently onlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

From what I've read, one normally needs a transit visa to change planes at SVO if you are changing terminals. This is a shame, as SVO would work well as a connecting hub if it were easier to get in and out of the country. Of course, many nationalities need transit visa just go through places like CDG and LHR, but a number of travelers from Western Europe and the US are not used to a cumbersome visa process and might skip SVO altogether if they are aware of the requirements. Perhaps if Western Europe and the US were to waive the need for a transit visa, Russia would do the same...

[Edited 2011-06-18 04:02:11]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Quoting sofianec (Reply 5):
- MIA (Transaero tried it 2 weekly on 747-400 but scaled-down to 1 weekly)

Transaero is 2x 772 during the peak winter and 1x 744 during the off-season summer. It has been doing quite well to Miami. Aeroflot applied for in December 2010, and was approved for, 2x weekly A330 service on MIASVO.

Transaero's application to DOT for route authority even made it clear in advance that it would rotate between 1x and 2x weekly. Not sure why you are attempting to make it seem like the "reduction," which was planned in advance, indicates a failure of the route.

[Edited 2011-06-18 04:02:40]


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User currently offlineteahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10069 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
From what I've read, one normally needs a transit visa to change planes at SVO, even if you are not leaving the airport. This is a shame, as SVO would work well as a connecting hub if it were easier to get in and out of the country

No you certainly don't. Visa free transit within the sterile zone is possible at SVO though sometimes somewhat slow due to having too few security channels open (especially in 2F).



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User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 6):
YYZ seems good too as again, no competition.

Uhm, UN flies it twice a week year-round, since 06 with varying scheds.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Does anyone know what the annual traffic is between MIAMI-MOSCOW? Also is aeroflot still interested to flying to MIA or have they given up since UN started?

[Edited 2011-06-18 06:02:07]

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Quoting hjulicher (Thread starter):
In the upcoming years, Aeroflot will receive an additional:
2 A320
8 A321
11 A333
18 A350-800
4 A350-900
15 737-700
25 737-800
10 737-900ER
8 773ER + (rumor for 8 additional frames)?
22 787
29 SSJ

Question: I was under the impression that SU had also ordered 777-200ERs, not just the -300ERs, am I right?

Quoting sofianec (Reply 5):
- MEX (It is very likely and I know for sure SU are reviewing is actively. If UN doesn't do it first.)

I am not sure UN wants to fly to MEX. In any case, SU would do better because of the SkyTeam connection. I wonder, however, what bird SU would use... the A332 lacks the legs to do MEX-SVO nonstop. And when the 77Ws arrive, they may be too big for this route.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9134 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
Question: I was under the impression that SU had also ordered 777-200ERs, not just the -300ERs, am I right?

Yes you are right. There is a thread about it but couldn't find it right now. As remember it could be 4 200ER and 4 300ER with another 8 Options.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I wonder, however, what bird SU would use... the A332 lacks the legs to do MEX-SVO nonstop. And when the 77Ws arrive, they may be too big for this route.

Would say that the 772ER would be best for this route. AF send also next to other AC's the 772ER to MEX but not sure if MEX is or could be a StarAlliance HUB in future!?


User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 239 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8540 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Not sure why you are attempting to make it seem like the "reduction," which was planned in advance, indicates a failure of the route.

Surely I am not implying a failure. It would have been such if the flight was cancelled. In the context of the thread starter idea of "EXPANSION" to North America Transaero's new route to MIA is a modest and safe bet as a single weekly flight can hardly be categorized as "expansion", it's more in line of a scheduled charter operation.

Both Aeroflot and Transaero are adjusting and adding frequencies and capacities to North America but very conservatively. As I noted there are probably no new Daily frequencies expected.

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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

Oh sorry forgot about the YYZ flight! Thanks! 

User currently onlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

It's all about Russia domestic market.
It has great potential for development. Domestic fares are high. Competition is fierce.
Yes, the idea of SVO trasit hub is feasible - and they are working on it.
VFR traffic is important.
But the real money in a country where it takes 7 days to cross by train - is here.


User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):

What is the range on the A332? According to Great Circle Mapper, LAX-SVO is 6078 miles, SVO-MEX is 6653 miles. I believe the longest A332 flight is Qantas' Flight 26, which is 6504 miles. QF's A33X has GE engines, which have less range than Aeroflot's RR engines. Why couldn't Aeroflot simply use the 763, until the B777s come online? The 763 have the legs for it, because Aeromexico operates a 763 on MEX-NRT, which is 7004 miles..unless SU's 767s are derated. So in answer to your question, I think the 763 is more usable than the A332.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Doesn't the 763 make a stop in TIJ? If so then TIJ-MEX is 5,575 mi.... The 763 also has less range than the A332. The 763ER has 5,990 mi. The A332 is 7,250 nmi (sorry couldn't find the miles conversion). So then the A332 can definetely make it, it just isn't used on MAX potential.

User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 21):
The A332 is 7,250 nmi (sorry couldn't find the miles conversion). So then the A332 can definetely make it, it just isn't used on MAX potential.

The 7250nmi option is fairly new, most A332 have around 6500nmi range. Don't know what SU's have though.



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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7872 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 16):
Would say that the 772ER would be best for this route. AF send also next to other AC's the 772ER to MEX

Not sure it can be done at full payload with a 772ER. A 772LR would be better, but we know SU did not order that plane.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 16):
not sure if MEX is or could be a StarAlliance HUB in future!?

MEX was a Star Alliance hub in the past, but MX was ejected from Star Alliance and eventually joined oneworld (and eventually disappeared). MEX will continue to be a SkyTeam-only hub in the near future (as you know, AM is a founding member of SkyTeam).

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 20):
SVO-MEX is 6653 miles. I believe the longest A332 flight is Qantas' Flight 26, which is 6504 miles.

You have to keep in mind MEX is more than 7,000 ft above the sea level, which means that planes lose a lot of range when taking off from MEX (LAX is at sea level and AKL is probably too). AM's 763ERs have a lot of trouble making it to MAD or CDG in summer. So, the A332 might have the range in paper but in real life it might take a weight penalty on a theoretical MEX-SVO route.

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 20):
Aeromexico operates a 763 on MEX-NRT, which is 7004 miles..unless SU's 767s are derated. So in answer to your question, I think the 763 is more usable than the A332.

AM flies MEX-TIJ-NRT-MEX. So, no no way a 763 can do MEX-SVO and much less MEX-NRT nonstop. I think these routes need planes such as the A345 and the 772LR.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

Quoting sofianec (Reply 17):
Surely I am not implying a failure. It would have been such if the flight was cancelled. In the context of the thread starter idea of "EXPANSION" to North America Transaero's new route to MIA is a modest and safe bet as a single weekly flight can hardly be categorized as "expansion", it's more in line of a scheduled charter operation.

My mistake for the misunderstanding. I eventually expect that Transaero will settle with 3-4w flights on MIAMOW. It's a market that will mature over time, as UN's presence is undeniably going to start stimulating demand significantly between the two cities (indeed, it already has started to do that).



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25 sofianec : Hopefully. I am sure SU will also start MIA (I heard 2 weekly). They used to fly there for many years and there are lots of Russians in Fla. both liv
26 Viscount724 : I have always avoided transiting in a country where I would need a visa to actually enter the country but don't need a visa to transit. In such cases
27 AR385 : No way the 763 could do it and neither the A332. Now, what about a MEX-CUN-SVO? I´m sure CUN-SVO is doable and you have many advantages stopping at
28 MaverickM11 : Have they fixed SVO? I recently connected through there and it was by far the most miserable experience of my life in an airport. It was like their f
29 AR385 : Doubtful you will cannibalize DL due to the VISA issues. Maybe CDG. But, if SU is so intent on flying to MEX, what other solution do you propose?, as
30 MaverickM11 : There's always KL, or AM to Europe and then a partner beyond to SVO...plus plenty of one stop options outside of Skyteam, so I don't think a one stop
31 AR385 : Well, at least it SEEMS there would be people on this plane. Furthermore, there is a lot of traffic nowadays between Mexico and the Asian Subcontinen
32 Post contains links Severnaya : No, have a read on their site: http://www.svo.aero/en/transit/rules/ Definately! People tend to forget cargo, the 773 is of course ideal for routes t
33 MaverickM11 : Obviously they must, but SVO still consistently is rated is one of the worst places on earth. We arrived from the CIS in old terminal F and departed
34 pylon101 : You appear to be pretty negative. But it's your right to judge. I would say that the present Doha airport is 20 years worse. Anyway they plan to conn
35 EddieDude : A new SU terminal opened to a lot of fanfare last year, right? I would imagine this is now a good connecting hub.
36 Severnaya : All three are connected already as a clean area, at least since AUG-2010.
37 MaverickM11 : I am biased, but it was the worst airport experience, ever. And I've been through places like DKR, MEX T1, LIM before the new terminal--all dreams co
38 TeamInTheSky : Everyone is discussing the Visa issues, I thought to get the 2018 World Cup the Russian government were going to cut their visa restrictions. Is the v
39 pylon101 : They did? So why are these complains? What made Maverick so unhappy? I am not a frequent visitor at SVO as I reside close to DME.
40 EddieDude : Lol, it is not that bad!
41 Post contains links dazeflight : Just last week during the St. Pete economical forum, significant easings of the Visa process between the U.S. and Russia have been promised, U.S. and
42 AM744 : I don't think it could work either but I'm under the impression that O&D is not THAT small. What about convenient connections to beach resorts? T
43 Severnaya : I'm interested as well in this. The clean connection was opened already in August 2010 when I made use of it for the first time. I arrived with SU fr
44 hjulicher : It looks like Aeroflot has firmed up another 6 773ER making their total 777 count now at 16 (8 773ER and 8 772).
45 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Sounds like I was there in between the opening of the terminal and the opening of the secure area connecting D-E-F. I've never had any problems in ME
46 sofianec : Actually now orders stand at 8 x 777-300ER plus 8 options for Aeroflot as they recently they decided to convert their 2 x 777-200ER into -300ER. The
47 dazeflight : They don't need to, as most Russian provincial cities are blatantely underserved. Yekaterinburg Koltsovo is the fifth largest airport in the country,
48 sofianec : I have always wondered the same. Frequency seems to be missing to many of Russia's secondary cities (behind MOS and LED). Also capacity between secon
49 sofianec : Oh I got it all wrong. So here's how it goes: 28 Feb 2011 - An order of 6 x 777-300ER and 2 x 777 x 777-200ER (later converted to 8 x 777-300ER) 21 J
50 EddieDude : That means SU is still going to receive 777-200ERs, right?
51 pylon101 : Right. This is exactly what I mean saying "dometic potential". There is a lot of space for growth even for flights from MOW and LED. But there is an
52 Post contains images anrec80 : In Moscow there is a great deal of O&D demand. UN flies a 744 to MIA. SQ route IAH-DME-SIN is known and popular with Russians at least here in Se
53 sofianec : Nope. They aren't. As it stands now SU has 16 x 777-300ER orders with Boeing. No -200ER's. Hopefully they will order some -200LR's to open South Amer
54 sofianec : I know it's ridiculous. In 2010 I had to do a 1 month business tour of Russia. I had to do Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Ekaterinburg, Krasnoyarsk, Chelya
55 anrec80 : Yeah it's a known issue with Russian aviation today - everything pretty much is between Moscow and other cities. There is barely any O&D demand b
56 dazeflight : I know we're in an aviation forum, but that initiary sounds perfect for a few train sections thrown in, especially when the alternative is backtracki
57 EddieDude : Thank you very much for clarifying. I hope too that SU will get some 77Ls to launch flights to new destinations such as MEX. How long will SU keep th
58 sofianec : AFAIK all 767-300ER's at Aeroflot are leased. I will have to investigate further or maybe someone else knows details when those leases are set to exp
59 EddieDude : Thank you very much Ron! The 788s cannot come too soon then! If the 763s end up leaving soon and no more A332s are expected (only -300s as you mention
60 Post contains images Aeroflot777 : Just to clarify... Both SVO-SFO-SVO and SVO-SEA-SFO-SEA-SVO were primarily 777-200ER routes for Aeroflot. Took that flight very often Aeroflot777
61 MAH4546 : The local market is that small. The number of people who travel MEXMOW annually is about the same as those that fly MIAMEX in one week. And CUNMOW is
62 miaintl : I would still like to know what the annual passenger rate is between MIA-MOW?
63 MAH4546 : It is more than ample to support 2-3w non-stops, and that was before it had non-stop service. Non-stop service is already seeing the market see signi
64 anrec80 : It's hard to say about SU and airbus - there are rumors of some arguments over frames deliveries. Not sure if this gets anywhere though or alters SU
65 EddieDude : I see your point. If you ask me, I'd say the 763s would be the first to go. They are probably the oldest; the A332s, while a bit larger, can fly furt
66 Severnaya : Not really, income per capita is steadily increasing...... which is almost linear with the demand for air travel. AK Bars Aero isn't really newly for
67 Post contains images anrec80 : Not typically - the issue is connections to India. There are services to Asia by DL and UA, plus a few Asian airlines, but connections to India are m
68 Viscount724 : There's not much difference in mileage and connections via the Pacific are often poor. There's so much more capacity via Europe so fares are usually
69 EddieDude : Thanks for clarifying that guys.
70 pylon101 : This winter I checked Mexico tours' prices - and those were very, very high. Typical tour price based on 2 week 3-4 star hotel for one person in doubl
71 hippocampes : Very true about the superior connectivity and capacity via Europe to India for Washingtonians, but both KE and OZ do carry a surprisingly good amount
72 Post contains links EddieDude : http://impreso.milenio.com/node/8982613 The Mexican Minister of Tourism will be in Russia this week to try to increase the number of Russian visitors
73 pylon101 : Hm.. Those are not bad numbers, I'd say. The united efforts of tour operators and Transaero gave some result. It's interesting which way those vacatio
74 dazeflight : And earlier before that, the former Aeroflot Bugulma Division was part of Tatarstan. I know, but comparing a Yak-40 operator that connects his hometo
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