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SIA - AN - ANZ Part 5 (The Waiting)  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Articles are hotting off the presswire now...
Very good articles this morning they seem.

To the un-informed / un-interested, SIA is trying to buy a stake in the ANZ to up it's original stake at the moment of 25%. However Helen Clark (NZ PM) and cabinet are reluctant. SHame on them!

Air NZ ready to present SIA case to New Zealand govt
By Graeme Peters
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WELLINGTON (Reuters) - National carrier Air New Zealand said on Wednesday it was ready to present a formal submission to the New Zealand government seeking an expanded tie-up with Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd.

The submission would be handed to government officials late on Wednesday or early Thursday amid an end-of-week flurry of meetings between airline executives, NZ ministers and officials in New Zealand and Singapore.

"Its about the stage that it moves up from the officials digestion chain to the political food chain," Air New Zealand spokesman David Beatson told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Needing cash to buy new aircraft, Air New Zealand is seeking government approval for Singapore Airlines to lift its current 25 percent stake in the airline.

But it first must convince the NZ government to change policy stopping a single foreign airline owning more than 25 percent of Air New Zealand, while total airline interests are limited to 35 percent.

It also must fend off a competing offer from Australia's Qantas Airways , which has proposed buying into Air New Zealand and selling Air NZ unit Ansett Australia to Singapore Airlines.

Air NZ's unrestricted B shares were up a cent on Wednesday at NZ$1.40 while the airline's New Zealand resident-only A shares last traded unchanged at NZ$1.09.

CULLEN CALLS ON SIA

NZ Finance Minister Michael Cullen, who has said it would be very difficult to raise the 25 percent threshold, plans to make a "courtesy call" on Singapore Airlines while in Singapore on Wednesday. (hehe)

On Thursday, Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg will fly to Wellington to call on a high-powered group of NZ government officials -- including from the NZ Treasury, Ministry of Transport and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

Later in the day, Air New Zealand chief executive Gary Toomey would meet Transport Minister Mark Gosche in Auckland, and on Friday Toomey would travel to Wellington to meet with the officials group.

The Friday meeting will be virtually the final discussion with officials on the formal submission ahead of it moving to ministers, Beatson said.

However he did not expect the submission to go to the full NZ Cabinet -- which will sign off any policy change -- before Monday.

"I would think that next week it will be mainly officials briefing ministers...but we are not expecting (a decision) until end of the month, maybe midway through next month," Beatson said.

Beatson said Air New Zealand was making a compelling case and was optimistic but the New Zealand government faced a difficult decision.

Air NZ, 30 percent owned by Brierley Investments , carries more than 21 million customers a year with a fleet of nearly 200 aircraft and in excess of 1,000 flights a day
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NZ Fin Min/SIA -4: NZ Govt In "Difficult Position"

Cullen is set to meet with Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Chief Executive Cheong Choong Kong late Wednesday in Singapore to discuss the ownership of Air New Zealand.

Singapore Airlines wants to increase its 25% stake in Air New Zealand, a move that will help Air New Zealand bail out its loss making Ansett Australia unit and fund a costly fleet upgrade, but the NZ government is wary of allowing greater foreign ownership.

Analysts say SIA is looking to raise its stake to between 30% to 40% - a move that will require the New Zealand government's clearance.

Under NZ law, a foreign carrier can own not more than 25% of the national carrier.

The New Zealand government is considering a proposal from Air NZ for Singapore Airlines to take a bigger stake but a decision is not expected until after Cullen returns to New Zealand from a two-week overseas trip this weekend.

In its running for bigger influence over Air NZ, SIA is also said to have an alternative proposal to take over Ansett Australia, instead of raising its stake in Air NZ itself.

Analysts say the alternative proposal may stand a better chance of passing the regulatory hurdles in NZ and Australia, although the option appears to offer less long-term growth potential for SIA, which has high ambitions on the entire lucrative Tasman Sea route.

Qantas Airways Ltd. (A.QAN) is also seeking to purchase a controlling stake in Air NZ.

At 0214 GMT (10:14 p.m. EDT Tuesday), SIA shares were up 0.8% to S$12.40 while the Straits Times index was down 1% to 1664.10 points. - - 11/07/01 02-57G
(Hoorah!!)
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Cullen says must see whether Ansett key to Air NZ

SINGAPORE, July 11 (Reuters) - The impasse over the proposal for Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) to raise its stake in Air New Zealand revolves around the importance of Ansett Australia to Air NZ, New Zealand Finance Minister Michael Cullen said on Wednesday.

Cullen, speaking at a business council breakfast meeting in Singapore, said it was probably "very, very difficult" to go with the Air NZ proposal to allow SIA, which holds the maximum allowed stake of 25 percent, to raise its interest further.

In reply to questions on whether the government would be open to SIA owning a bigger share but still less than the 49 percent it is reported to be interested in, Cullen said: "I probably shouldn't comment...but what really underlies this at the end of the day is that we are being asked to make commercial decisions."

"It really lies in how important Ansett is to Air NZ's future," he said.

Cullen said the problem with Air NZ was it needs capital for loss-making Ansett -- Australia's second-ranked carrier -- and that its proposal was based in essence on the premise that Ansett was of "strategic importance" to Air NZ.

"Is that necessarily true?" he said.

Cullen said he would meet SIA officials during his visit to hear what they have to say about Air NZ.

The New Zealand government has been working Air NZ, Qantas

-- which has put up a separate proposal to buy Air NZ -- and independent advisers on how to resolve the issues.

Wellington has been cool to proposals to allow foreign carriers to hold a larger stake in Air NZ due to concerns over the impact on the country's bilateral air traffic landing rights negotiated with other countries.

Other concerns include domestic and international competition among the carriers resulting from any changes and whether the strategic interest of New Zealand as a tourist destination would be affected.
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WRAP: NZ Still Waiting For SIA Proposal On Air NZ

WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Nearly a month after Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd.'s (P.SAL) expressed interest to significantly boost its current 25% stake in Air New Zealand Ltd. (A.AIZ), there is still no formal, concrete proposal, New Zealand officials said Wednesday.
"Ministers haven't seen any proposal, although some officials (in the Ministry of Transport and Prime Minister's Department) may have," seen some kind of an initial offer, said an official at a senior minister's office.

"Ministers have always said they would take a lot of convincing to raise the (foreign ownership) cap," she added, reiterating the official government line.

While the government has no money at stake in the New Zealand-based airline, it nevertheless has a big say on the airline's ability to meet the commercial challenges it faces.

Through its solitary, nonvoting "Kiwi Share" in the company, Wellington's transport and finance ministers have the last word on any plans by SIA to hike its interest in Air New Zealand beyond its current quarter holding.

Finance Minister, Michael Cullen, who will make a "courtesy call" to Singapore Airlines Chief Executive Cheong Choong Kong in Singapore late Wednesday, may get a clearer picture on what, precisely, is being proposed.

Although officials in Wellington said they doubt the minister will be given a concrete proposal, they don't rule it out either.

But even if SIA wins Cullen's support for an increased stake in the carrier, that doesn't mean the government will follow suit.

Cullen has said any proposal to change the foreign ownership caps in Air New Zealand must be judged by the entire cabinet.

The divergent views among the 20 cabinet members - made up of 16 center-left Labour politicians and four leftist Alliance members - and the fact the cabinet makes decisions by consensus rather than by majority-vote - mean more hurdles to SIA's plans.

The government's stance, although not a law, is that no foreign airline may own more than 25% of Air New Zealand, no two foreign airlines between them may own more than 35% and foreigners in total can't own more than 49% of the New Zealand-based carrier.

The cabinet isn't due to meet again until Monday, July 23, which means no decision on the issue can be reached before that time, officials said.

SIA May Meet Two Criteria, Falter On Ownership Cups

The government has said that when it does eventually get a formal proposal from Air New Zealand and SIA it will judge it on a number of criteria, and topping the list is consumers' interests.

Supporters of a bigger SIA role say that having a well-capitalized Ansett Australia (A.AAH)/Air New Zealand Group fighting head-to-head with Qantas in Australasian aviation markets is consumer-friendly.

The SIA proposal could also help meet a second stated objective: The desire to diminish the chances of Air New Zealand finding itself unable to fund both its Australian and New Zealand operations and eventually withering into a small, South Pacific niche operator.

Government officials insist, however, the administration's foreign cap stance would be hard for the government to change, even though some officials admit off-the-record that it is a position which is hard to understand.

After all, at least 55% of the shares in Air New Zealand are already beneficially owned by non-New Zealanders. While it can't be determined for sure, non-New Zealanders may currently own as much as 80% of the airline.

But if the government does turn down the latest SIA proposal, it won't be the end of the story.

Analysts say Air New Zealand probably registered a big loss in the financial year ended June 30, largely due to losses at its Ansett Australia unit.

The carrier Air New Zealand needs cash to help bail out its loss-making Ansett Australia unit, and pay for a five-year fleet upgrade for the group which analysts estimate around NZ$5 billion.

The analysts said if the affair with SIA doesn't materialize, Air New Zealand will have to find alternative options to secure its financial footing.

SIA is also said to have an alternative proposal to take over Ansett Australia, instead of raising its stake in Air New Zealand itself.

Analysts say the alternative proposal may stand a better chance of passing the political hurdles.

And if both SIA proposals falter, Qantas Airways Ltd. (A.QAN) is standing by.

Qantas representatives are due to meet with New Zealand Transport and Treasury officials this week to press their case as a replacement of SIA as a key shareholder in Air New Zealand should the Singaporeans ever decide to sell their stake




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User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Nothing's changed. The N.Z. Government don't want to do it, SIA don't really want to do it, and QF don't want it done. Let's leave it till Part 6 when something concrete is known.

User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

SIA wants ansett, not air new zealand, this wasnt its orgianl plan and it seems that its all a waste of time.helen clark isnt going to suddenly get her brain in gear and ansett is going down, tkaing anz with it due to the nz government and anz short-sightedness.




It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

In today's Australian it claims the SQ deal is unlikely to gain NZ Gov't approval. No decision until NZ Gov't cabinet meeting on July 23.
If this is the case I would imagine AirNZ will have no choice but to sell AN to SQ and either go it alone or agree to the QF partnership.
I agree with Al. It is time to wait for a decision. There is nothing more to say until something definite has been decided.

Dale.


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

The Australian article.


Kiwis tipped to clip SIA bid
By Steve Creedy
July 12, 2001
SINGAPORE Airlines' proposal to gain a bigger stake in Air New Zealand remains on shaky ground after New Zealand Finance Minister Michael Cullen said yesterday it was "very difficult" to see how it could be approved.

Mr Cullen's comments came just hours before a meeting with SIA chief executive Cheong Choong Kong and as Air NZ was poised to lodge its final written proposal with the New Zealand Government.

"It's very difficult to see that we can get to where Singapore Airlines wants us to get to," he told a business breakfast in Singapore.

Mr Cullen moved to take the sting out of any rejection of the Singaporean proposal, telling business leaders: "If the government does end up saying 'no', it's not out of antipathy for Singapore."

He said his Government was in a difficult position where it had to make a commercial decision that it "does not like making."

"That commercial decision really is, how important is Ansett to Air New Zealand's future?" he said. "Ansett is not a New Zealand brand. We want to expand New Zealand brands."

Singapore requested the meeting with Mr Cullen but both sides yesterday played down its significance, describing it as a "courtesy call".

Mr Cullen is expected to consider the Air NZ final proposal after he returns to Wellington on Friday. But the earliest a decision can be made on whether to lift a 25 per cent limit on investment in Air NZ by a foreign airline is a July 23 cabinet meeting.

Air NZ spokesman David Beatson said the final document, which would be lodged by today, answered questions raised in a draft submission lodged two weeks ago.

"They came back with a lot of additional information requests and we've finalised the document with the information they were seeking from us," he said.

As the lobbying intensifies, Air NZ chief executive Gary Toomey will meet New Zealand Transport Minister Mark Gosche today and is due to travel to Wellington tomorrow to explain the final proposal to senior government officials.

Mr Toomey goes armed with an Air NZ-commissioned survey which shows most New Zealanders support the Singapore proposal to take up to 49 per cent in the carrier.

The Air NZ board believes the SIA plan is the best way of funding the Kiwi carrier's long-term future and re-fleeting at Ansett.

However, the government is worried about control of the airline, its status as the national carrier as well as issues such as tourism and competition.




User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

QF offers a seat on the QF board to the NZ chairman.


Business News


Qantas reserves seat for Air NZ

12.07.2001 By DANIEL RIORDAN aviation writer
Qantas Airways has offered Air New Zealand's chairman a seat on the Qantas board as its battle with Singapore Airlines (SIA) for a majority stake in the national carrier intensifies.

The offer was made in a letter from Qantas managing director Geoff Dixon to Finance Minister Michael Cullen outlining the reasons Qantas' "partnership" with Air NZ would be a better outcome for New Zealand than the SIA deal.

Mr Dixon said he would recommend to his board that Air NZ fill a vacant position on the Qantas board, should Qantas' tilt at Air NZ succeed.

Dr Cullen has been overseas for the past two weeks and has yet to reply to the letter.

Yesterday, he paid a "courtesy call" to SIA head office on his way home from Britain. The meeting was requested by SIA.

Dr Cullen told Singapore media that the Government is being asked to make a commercial decision about Air NZ.

"The commercial decision really is, how important is Ansett to Air New Zealand's future?" he said.

"Ansett is not a New Zealand brand. We want to expand New Zealand brands."

Qantas' proposal would involve buying and retaining SIA's 25 per cent stake, buying and offloading Brierley Investments' 30 per cent stake - even if it meant a loss for Qantas - and selling Ansett to SIA.

Qantas held talks with Brierley last week and was reported to have offered more than $2 a share for its stake. (Air NZ A shares closed at $1.09 yesterday.)

But Qantas is very much on the sidelines as Air NZ continues to promote increased investment from SIA as its preferred option for securing its long-term future. That is also the plan SIA favours.

Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg is today to meet a high-powered group of officials from the Treasury, the Ministry of Transport, the Department of the Prime Minister and the cabinet.

Later in the day, Air New Zealand chief executive Gary Toomey meets Transport Minister Mark Gosche in Auckland, and tomorrow Mr Toomey travels to Wellington to meet the officials.

Air NZ submitted a draft proposal to the Government for SIA to lift its stake beyond the 25 per cent foreign-airline cap two weeks ago.

Talkswith officials since have produced the final proposal.

www.nzherald.co.nz/aviation




User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Hmmmm.

Even if QF did offer that and the NZ Govt. rejects, doesn't mean that ANZ will accept the QF deal. Far from it really judging by Toomey's comments.

Nothing interesting off the presswires



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User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

If the NZ Gov't reject the SQ proposal the most likely result will be that NZ will be forced to offload AN to SQ (crystalising a huge loss for NZ which will mean that the NZ Gov't are unlikely to receive any company tax revenue from the airline for a number of years).

This is of little comfort to QF as there is nothing in this result which will guarantee that SQ are going to sell their 25% to anyone let alone QF. The NZ Gov't can deny SQ the right to increase their shareholding but there is no way they can force them to sell their existing shares.

NZ without AN will be self-sufficient and profitable but will also probably be very restricted in growth opportunities and will ultimately shrink to the small regional player which GT talks about.

The NZ Government has a very stark choice; they can remain ideologically pure and economically naive or accept that the world has changed and join it.



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

this article basically echoes my thoughts. The only problem is the many obstacles in the path of a QF-NZ alliance. Interesting coming from a guy with 27 years working experience at NZ. I believe a QF-NZ Australasian entity will allow both carriers to compete more strongly on a global basis.

Dale.




Merge with Qantas: ex-Air NZ man

13.07.2001

LONDON - Ray Webster, who spent 27 years at Air New Zealand, may
be poking a hornet's nest, but the chief executive of Europe's second
biggest discount airline, easyJet, says the national carriers of Australia
and New Zealand should be merged.

Qantas, 25 per cent owned by British Airways, and rival Singapore
Airlines, which holds 25 per cent of Air New Zealand, are both lobbying
the New Zealand Government for approval of their separate plans to
help the capital-depleted Air NZ.

Mr Webster, a New Zealander whose last position at the country's
carrier was as head of strategic planning, argues that a strengthened
link between Air NZ and Singapore Airlines (SIA) is "much more
tenuous" than a link with Qantas.

The easyJet prospectus discloses Mr Webster has an agreement with
Air NZ to provide consultancy services each year in return for pension
contributions and free flights to New Zealand.

Mr Webster, chief executive of easyJet since March 1996, has said:
"Singapore Airlines has got a very clear strategy of moving people
through Singapore.

"Where they fly to is not important as long as they fly on a Singapore
aeroplane ... I think Air New Zealand will just be another component
and I don't think it will be a strategic component.

"I think the Qantas-Air New Zealand link is much more strategic and
would bring significant benefits for the long term, but the trouble with
this is one of parochial politics."

Air NZ is opposed to the Qantas plan, which involves buying out a
major Air NZ investor - Brierley Investments - and SIA, which would then
buy Air NZ's Ansett, Australia's loss-making second-ranked domestic
carrier behind Qantas.

Under the SIA plan, it would lift its stake in Air NZ and support its
capital raising.

But New Zealand must change its foreign ownership limits to allow a
stake above 25 per cent. The airlines are also limited to stakes below
50 per cent so as not to contravene bilateral air traffic landing treaties
between New Zealand and other sovereign states.

Finance Minister Michael Cullen told a Singapore business council on
Wednesday that it was probably "very, very difficult" to back Air NZ over
the SIA proposal.

Dr Cullen said that a key issue in breaking the impasse was how
important Ansett was to Air NZ.

The Government also has concerns about the impact of relaxing its
foreign ownership rules on the domestic and international competition
among carriers and whether the strategic interest of New Zealand as a
tourist destination would be affected.

Mr Webster said: "If you look at the global network side, I believe
Qantas and Air New Zealand should join into one airline and form a
strong Australasian entity. I think there is a very close alignment of
interest between these two airlines. By putting the two airlines together
I don't think either country is going to be terribly affected one way or
another."

- REUTERS

www.nzherald.co.nz/aviation


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Wake me up when Helen Clarke gets off her arse.

Regards
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

come on you guys give Helen a break, I'm sure little Johnie wouldn't be any faster if they (AUS govt) were in the same position.

User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Bruneiair,
You right actually.
I'm sorry about my comment.
But SERIOUSLY, wake me up when she does something.
I would hate John Howard if he took so long too!

Regards



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

I hate lil Johnie Already  Smile

User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Given the speed Helen & Co make decisions it's no wonder they got rid of their air force planes. By time they got around to making a decision as to whether to mount an attack or not, the attacking forces would have redecorated the Beehive.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Well on a not too unrelated note, Canberra(as in John Howard) supports the SIA move.

Anyway, things are hot today!

Air NZ/Formal SIA Proposal To Govt -3: Addresses Concerns

Air NZ: Opinion Poll Shows 55% Support SIA Stake Of 49%

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0407GMT Poll Finds Support

WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey Friday said an independent opinion poll of New Zealanders has found that 55% support Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) (P.SAL) owning up to 49% of the local carrier.

Air New Zealand released the poll results after confirming it has now given the government its formal proposal for Singapore Airlines to increase its 25% stake.

"We need to raise more capital than the New Zealand market can offer us, or we will wither away under the pressure of better funded international competitors," Toomey told reporters after a meeting with Transport Minister Mark Gosche.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0432GMT Addresses Concerns

"The small size of the New Zealand capital market, coupled with the current government limit on foreign carrier investment in Air New Zealand, limits our ability to raise the funds we need to compete against larger carriers with larger home markets," he said.

Toomey said opinion research commissioned by Air New Zealand shows the public understands the airline needs to raise capital.

The poll conducted by market research company UMR Research Ltd. found 55% support Singapore Airlines having up to a 49% stake in Air New Zealand and 39% are opposed.

The level of support increases to 68% when various conditions, such as retaining the Air New Zealand brand and keeping the airline's headquarters in New Zealand, are specified, Toomey said.
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Sorry, some can be repetitive...
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Air NZ/Formal SIA Proposal To Govt -4: Strong Opposition
(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01
0405GMT


Air NZ: Opinion Poll Shows 55% Support SIA Stake Of 49%

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0407GMT Poll Finds Support

WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey Friday said an independent opinion poll of New Zealanders has found that 55% support Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) (P.SAL) owning up to 49% of the local carrier.

Air New Zealand released the poll results after confirming it has now given the government its formal proposal for Singapore Airlines to increase its 25% stake.

"We need to raise more capital than the New Zealand market can offer us, or we will wither away under the pressure of better funded international competitors," Toomey told reporters after a meeting with Transport Minister Mark Gosche.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0432GMT Addresses Concerns

"The small size of the New Zealand capital market, coupled with the current government limit on foreign carrier investment in Air New Zealand, limits our ability to raise the funds we need to compete against larger carriers with larger home markets," he said.

Toomey said opinion research commissioned by Air New Zealand shows the public understands the airline needs to raise capital.

The poll conducted by market research company UMR Research Ltd. found 55% support Singapore Airlines having up to a 49% stake in Air New Zealand and 39% are opposed.

The level of support increases to 68% when various conditions, such as retaining the Air New Zealand brand and keeping the airline's headquarters in New Zealand, are specified, Toomey said.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0436GMT Strong Opposition

The government has repeatedly expressed strong reservations about a foreign airline owning more than 25% of Air New Zealand, citing risks to the carrier's international landing rights and the tourism promotion of New Zealand.

In Singapore Wednesday, Finance Minister Michael Cullen said the government will find it "very, very difficult" to lift the foreign ownership cap.

Cullen also said he doesn't see Ansett Australia, which is 100% owned by Air New Zealand, as a core part of the airline group.

Those comments have prompted market speculation the Singapore Airlines proposal will be rejected, forcing Air New Zealand to sell Ansett Australia at a loss after acquiring it a little over a year ago.

Toomey said the government has three main concerns about the proposal which cover international landing rights, competition in the domestic market, and the impact on promotion of New Zealand as an international tourism destination.

The concerns are legitimate, Toomey said, but allowing a "stronger Air New Zealand Ansett group" will increase competition and make the carrier a more effective promoter of New Zealand.

Toomey said Singapore Airlines is not seeking "ownership and control" of Air New Zealand and the local carrier has no interest in jeopardizing its international landing rights.
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Air NZ/Formal SIA Proposal To Govt -5: No Rushed Decision
(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01
0405GMT



Air NZ: Opinion Poll Shows 55% Support SIA Stake Of 49%

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0407GMT Poll Finds Support

WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey Friday said an independent opinion poll of New Zealanders has found that 55% support Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) (P.SAL) owning up to 49% of the local carrier.

Air New Zealand released the poll results after confirming it has now given the government its formal proposal for Singapore Airlines to increase its 25% stake.

"We need to raise more capital than the New Zealand market can offer us, or we will wither away under the pressure of better funded international competitors," Toomey told reporters after a meeting with Transport Minister Mark Gosche.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0432GMT Addresses Concerns

"The small size of the New Zealand capital market, coupled with the current government limit on foreign carrier investment in Air New Zealand, limits our ability to raise the funds we need to compete against larger carriers with larger home markets," he said.

Toomey said opinion research commissioned by Air New Zealand shows the public understands the airline needs to raise capital.

The poll conducted by market research company UMR Research Ltd. found 55% support Singapore Airlines having up to a 49% stake in Air New Zealand and 39% are opposed.

The level of support increases to 68% when various conditions, such as retaining the Air New Zealand brand and keeping the airline's headquarters in New Zealand, are specified, Toomey said.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0436GMT Strong Opposition

The government has repeatedly expressed strong reservations about a foreign airline owning more than 25% of Air New Zealand, citing risks to the carrier's international landing rights and the tourism promotion of New Zealand.

In Singapore Wednesday, Finance Minister Michael Cullen said the government will find it "very, very difficult" to lift the foreign ownership cap.

Cullen also said he doesn't see Ansett Australia, which is 100% owned by Air New Zealand, as a core part of the airline group.

Those comments have prompted market speculation the Singapore Airlines proposal will be rejected, forcing Air New Zealand to sell Ansett Australia at a loss after acquiring it a little over a year ago.

Toomey said the government has three main concerns about the proposal which cover international landing rights, competition in the domestic market, and the impact on promotion of New Zealand as an international tourism destination.

The concerns are legitimate, Toomey said, but allowing a "stronger Air New Zealand Ansett group" will increase competition and make the carrier a more effective promoter of New Zealand.

Toomey said Singapore Airlines is not seeking "ownership and control" of Air New Zealand and the local carrier has no interest in jeopardizing its international landing rights.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0510GMT No Rushed Decision

Toomey said he doesn't want to push the government into a rushed decision, and nor has the government specified a timeframe for considering the proposal.

The UMR Research poll, taken two weeks after a National Business Review newspaper poll which showed the public opposed to greater foreign ownership, surveyed 500 people over the age of 18 from July 6-8.

Eighty-three percent of respondents agreed Singapore Airlines would be interested in promoting New Zealand and its national flag carrier and 62% agreed Singapore Airlines increasing its stake would be less disruptive than a new owner.

Sixty percent agreed that Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand together provide effective competition to Australia's Qantas Airways. (A.QAN)

The Australian carrier is also interested in owning part of Air New Zealand but is regarded as having little, if any, chance of success.

Slightly positive for Qantas, however, was 32% of respondents agreeing the carrier would be a better partner for Air New Zealand because Australia is close to New Zealand culturally.

Air New Zealand's resident-only A shares closed Friday up 1 cent, or 0.9%, at NZ$1.09 and the unrestricted B shares closed up 1 cent, or 0.7%, at NZ$1.45
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Air NZ says future at stake, needs SIA backing
WELLINGTON, July 13 (Reuters) - National carrier Air New Zealand said on Friday it had lodged the formal submission with the New Zealand government seeking the lifting of foreign ownership limits in the airline. Air NZ Gary Toomey said the issue at stake now was Air New Zealand's future. Toomey has been meeting with New Zealand ministers and officials this week, seeking approval for a proposal for SIA to increase its 25 percent stake and help raise capital required for a major fleet renewal.



"We need to raise more capital than the NZ market can offer us -- or we will wither away under the pressure of better funded international competition," Toomey told reporters.

The small size of the New Zealand capital market coupled with the current government limit on foreign carrier investment limited Air NZ's ability to raise the funds needed to compete against larger carriers.

"In considering our proposal, the government is not making a commercial decision about which foreign airline should have shares in our company -- or which part of our airline operations we should sell or develop," Toomey added.

The New Zealand government has repeatedly said that any proposal requiring a change in restrictions, which limit single airline ownership to 25 percent and total airline interest to 35 percent, would be difficult.

Air NZ's unrestricted B shares closed on Friday up one cent at NZ$1.45 while the airline's New Zealand resident-only A shares ended up one cent at NZ$1.09, in an overall slightly weaker market.

Air New Zealand's proposal answered the government's concerns about international landing rights, competition, and tourism promotion, Toomey said.

"Our proposals enable the government to protect national and public interests on all three issues," he said, adding that Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) did not seek ownership and control of Air New Zealand.

Air NZ also issued the results of a public survey it had commissioned on the ownership issue.

The poll showed 55 percent supported Singapore Airlines being allowed to increase its stake to 49 percent from 25 percent, against 39 percent who opposed.

When given more information about possible conditions attached to such an increase, the proportion in support rose to 68 percent, and the opposition fell to 30 percent, the airline said.

The poll of 500 people had a margin of error of 4.4 percent.

No similar question was asked about allowing Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd to buy into Air NZ.

Qantas has put forward a rival proposal of buying a significant stake in Air NZ and selling Ansett Australia to SIA. Qantas has continued to put its arguements to NZ authorities despite a cool response from Air NZ.
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WELLINGTON (Reuters) - National carrier Air New Zealand said on Friday it had lodged the formal submission with the New Zealand government seeking the lifting of foreign ownership limits in the airline.



Air NZ chief executive Gary Toomey said the issue at stake now was Air New Zealand's future. Toomey has been meeting with New Zealand ministers and officials this week, seeking approval for a proposal for Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd (SIA) to increase its 25 percent stake and help raise capital required for a major fleet renewal.

"We need to raise more capital than the NZ market can offer us -- or we will wither away under the pressure of better funded international competition," Toomey told reporters.

The small size of the New Zealand capital market coupled with the current government limit on foreign carrier investment limited Air NZ's ability to raise the funds needed to compete against larger carriers.

"In considering our proposal, the government is not making a commercial decision about which foreign airline should have shares in our company -- or which part of our airline operations we should sell or develop," Toomey added.

The New Zealand government has repeatedly said that any proposal requiring a change in restrictions, which limit single airline ownership to 25 percent and total airline interest to 35 percent, would be difficult.

Air NZ's unrestricted B shares closed on Friday up one cent at NZ$1.45 while the airline's New Zealand resident-only A shares ended up one cent at NZ$1.09, in an overall slightly weaker market.

Air New Zealand's proposal answered the government's concerns about international landing rights, competition, and tourism promotion, Toomey said.

"Our proposals enable the government to protect national and public interests on all three issues," he said, adding that Singapore Airlines did not seek ownership and control of Air New Zealand.

Air NZ also issued the results of a public survey it had commissioned on the ownership issue.

The poll showed 55 percent supported Singapore Airlines being allowed to increase its stake to 49 percent from 25 percent, against 39 percent who opposed.

When given more information about possible conditions attached to such an increase, the proportion in support rose to 68 percent, and the opposition fell to 30 percent, the airline said.

The poll of 500 people had a margin of error of 4.4 percent.

No similar question was asked about allowing Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd to buy into Air NZ.

Qantas has put forward a rival proposal of buying a significant stake in Air NZ and selling Ansett Australia to SIA. Qantas has continued to put its arguments to NZ authorities despite a cool response from Air NZ.
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Air NZ Toomey Assures Govt SIA Plan In National Interest
WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand Ltd. (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey said Friday he is trying to convince government ministers it is in New Zealand's "national interest" that Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd. (P.SAL) be permitted to significantly raise its current 25% stake in the New Zealand-based carrier.
Speaking to reporters, Toomey said there is no doubt in the mind of anyone on the board of Air New Zealand that Singapore Airlines' proposal, to "significantly" raise its stake is the best commercial way forward for the New Zealand airline.



However, the New Zealand government isn't being asked to make a commercial decision, but rather it is confronted with making a "legitimate judgment" about what is in New Zealand's "national interest," he said.

Singapore Airlines can't raise its stake in Air New Zealand without the New Zealand government's approval because existing policy prohibits any foreign airline from owning more than a quarter-stake in the New Zealand company
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Air NZ Toomey/National Interest -2: 9,000 Jobs At Stake
WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand Ltd. (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey said Friday he is trying to convince government ministers it is in New Zealand's "national interest" that Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd. (P.SAL) be permitted to significantly raise its current 25% stake in the New Zealand-based carrier.
Speaking to reporters, Toomey said there is no doubt in the mind of anyone on the board of Air New Zealand that Singapore Airlines' proposal, to "significantly" raise its stake is the best commercial way forward for the New Zealand airline.



However, the New Zealand government isn't being asked to make a commercial decision, but rather it is confronted with making a "legitimate judgment" about what is in New Zealand's "national interest," he said.

Singapore Airlines can't raise its stake in Air New Zealand without the New Zealand government's approval because existing policy prohibits any foreign airline from owning more than a quarter-stake in the New Zealand company.

(MORE) DOW JONES NEWS 07-13-01

01:16 AM

9,000 Jobs At Stake

"What is at stake now is the future of Air New Zealand, not just the future of (its Australian unit) Ansett (A.AAH)," Toomey said.

"We're talking about how we can sustain jobs for the 9,000 New Zealanders directly employed by Air New Zealand and, beyond that, the jobs generated by the NZ$1.1 billion we spend purchasing goods and services in New Zealand each year," he said.

Toomey also said that Singapore Airlines' proposal would not only act to protect those jobs and investment in New Zealand, but would also meet all three of the government's often articulated requirements defining the national interest.

He said Singapore Airlines taking a significant stake in Air New Zealand would:

- Not threaten Air New Zealand's ability to continue to access international markets under existing aviation agreements entered into by the New Zealand government with foreign governments;

- Bolster the level of competition in Australasian airline services markets;

- Assist Air New Zealand to become a stronger player in international markets, which would in turn assist the company's ability to promote New Zealand as an international tourism destination.

"A stronger Air New Zealand-Ansett Group will be more effective in promoting tourism to New Zealand (because) Australia is our largest source of tourists with 33% of all overseas visitors are Australians and the numbers are growing at around 10% a year," he said.

"From our other major offshore tourism markets, there is heavy demand for dual destination travel to New Zealand and Australia," he said.

The ability to operate an integrated Air New Zealand and Ansett network enables the company to tap both these sources of demand, he said.
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Air NZ Toomey/National Interest -3: Commitments From SIA
WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Air New Zealand Ltd. (A.AIZ) Chief Executive Gary Toomey said Friday he is trying to convince government ministers it is in New Zealand's "national interest" that Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) Ltd. (P.SAL) be permitted to significantly raise its current 25% stake in the New Zealand-based carrier.
Speaking to reporters, Toomey said there is no doubt in the mind of anyone on the board of Air New Zealand that Singapore Airlines' proposal, to "significantly" raise its stake is the best commercial way forward for the New Zealand airline.

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However, the New Zealand government isn't being asked to make a commercial decision, but rather it is confronted with making a "legitimate judgment" about what is in New Zealand's "national interest," he said.

Singapore Airlines can't raise its stake in Air New Zealand without the New Zealand government's approval because existing policy prohibits any foreign airline from owning more than a quarter-stake in the New Zealand company.

(MORE) DOW JONES NEWS 07-13-01

01:16 AM

9,000 Jobs At Stake

"What is at stake now is the future of Air New Zealand, not just the future of (its Australian unit) Ansett (A.AAH)," Toomey said.

"We're talking about how we can sustain jobs for the 9,000 New Zealanders directly employed by Air New Zealand and, beyond that, the jobs generated by the NZ$1.1 billion we spend purchasing goods and services in New Zealand each year," he said.

Toomey also said that Singapore Airlines' proposal would not only act to protect those jobs and investment in New Zealand, but would also meet all three of the government's often articulated requirements defining the national interest.

He said Singapore Airlines taking a significant stake in Air New Zealand would:

- Not threaten Air New Zealand's ability to continue to access international markets under existing aviation agreements entered into by the New Zealand government with foreign governments;

- Bolster the level of competition in Australasian airline services markets;

- Assist Air New Zealand to become a stronger player in international markets, which would in turn assist the company's ability to promote New Zealand as an international tourism destination.

"A stronger Air New Zealand-Ansett Group will be more effective in promoting tourism to New Zealand (because) Australia is our largest source of tourists with 33% of all overseas visitors are Australians and the numbers are growing at around 10% a year," he said.

"From our other major offshore tourism markets, there is heavy demand for dual destination travel to New Zealand and Australia," he said.

The ability to operate an integrated Air New Zealand and Ansett network enables the company to tap both these sources of demand, he said.

(MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 13-07-01

0550GMT Commitments From SIA

Toomey reiterated Singapore Airlines isn't interested in more than a 49% stake in Air New Zealand.

That means the Singapore carrier isn't seeking control of the local airline, and is also prepared to make further specific commitments to the New Zealand government, he said.

These conditions might be modeled on the kind of guarantees that Air New Zealand has made to the Australian government when it originally acquired full control of Ansett Australia and 49% of Ansett International airlines, he said.

Toomey said the sort of commitments Singapore Airlines would be prepared to make to the government include:

- Retaining the "Air New Zealand" brand;

- Not losing any international landing rights negotiated by the government;

- Maintaining international routes considered to be "of significance" to New Zealand;

- Maintaining services to provincial cities in New Zealand;

- Servicing Air New Zealand aircraft at New Zealand engineering bases;

- Staffing the Group's flights "mainly with New Zealanders";

- Keeping Air New Zealand's headquarters in New Zealand;

- And, ensuring a permanent majority for New Zealanders on the board of Air New Zealand
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Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

seems like somebodys trying to keep their thread going  Insane nothing is new, just waiting.

ill think ill go on holiday and even then helen the dozy flozy still wouldnt have decided.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

We can all try!!!

Well I Think the opinion poll is interesting. I didn't think the NZ's Would like SIA. I was gladly proven wrong!

Ohwell.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Singapore_air, Why do you post so much crap? I'm sure most people just scroll past your posts once they see that you have posted it.

I am talking about the articles, most poeple post an article if it is interesting, you post because it says "singapore airlines"



User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

I appreciate Singapore_Air's posts, think that they are of value to this forum, and am interested in what he has to say. His opinion of SQ is more on topic than your opinion of 'Li'l Johnnie'



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User currently offlineBruneiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

The post above is not an oppinion it is just a heap of articles, did you sit there and read the whole lot ?

If so you are just as stupid


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Those news articles are there to inform. Nothing else.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

I think alot of people that were here in the last 4 discussions of this topic have left.
Maybe somebody could please start a whole new thread when Helen wakes up

Otherwise, I am off to bed.
Regards
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineSQ777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1172 times:


Bruneiair,

Nobody force you to read the article posted by Singapore_Air. If you don't like it, don't read it. So, what is your problem??

SQ777


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

I have this feeling that the NZ government still won't approve the ownership cap of Air NZ and then Air NZ will have to be forced to offload AN to SQ...

Not all good, cuz I'm starting to think that AN and NZ make a lovely pair, but not all bad either... SQ is also a really good airline.

Wells we'll just have to wait...

and wait....

and wait....


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

I know. Theree aren't even press wires! Well at least some people here will be happy :-P


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
25 Singapore_Air : RPT-NZers prefer SIA to Qantas in Air NZ - poll MELBOURNE, July 16 (Reuters) - New Zealanders would rather have Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI
26 Post contains images V Jet : "The New Zealanders who opposed Qantas taking a role in Air NZ justified their view with comments such as, "it would create too much of a monopoly," a
27 SIABASHER : Hey, Brunei Air. Leave Singapore_Air alone, if you don't want to read his posts you don't have to, but there maybe people who do want to read it so do
28 Aduum : Hmm let me get this right, "The Roy Morgan qualitative poll found 67 percent of the 30 New Zealanders it interviewed thought it would be a "bad thing"
29 Singapore_Air : They can. It's just the wording is completely crap Actually, they can't. i like the ANZ poll better. The other one is too small! 30 people! Stupid dod
30 Tullamarine : The two polls reflect two different types of polling, both of which are used extensively by political parties, polling organisations and companies. Bo
31 Oz777 : VJet. Note your little barb. I think you will find the reason most NZ'ers live in Australia is to work (contrary to popular perception), but would pre
32 V Jet : Uh, Oz777, it was actually said in jest, hence the big grin.
33 Dalecary : Oz777, good to have you back on the thread. What is your gut feeling about the eventual outcome here? All the reports I am getting are that the NZ Gov
34 QantasAirways : Of course they prefer SIA over QF. Without a doubt. Regards QantasAirways
35 Tullamarine : If the NZ Gov't do not approve SQ's increased shareholding and NZ is forced to sell part or all of AN to SQ at a huge loss, NZ's next move is purely d
36 Dalecary : Tullamarine, your points are well taken and completely logical. SIA would love to get it's hands on AN's domestic network,that is definitely a potenti
37 Oz777 : V-jet - sorry, but your smile did not come up on the laptop. This will need to be quite short as am very busy with - amongst other things the continui
38 Dalecary : Oz777, I have to disagree about NZ becoming a small niche carrier without SQ and AN. Of course, I am assuming they will partner QF. I see NZ being an
39 Tullamarine : I thought this might happen. The NZ Gov't would carry on for a while to appease its left wing but eventually allow the SQ deal to go through because t
40 Dalecary : only another article, but it sounds a very likely scenario to me as well. So will SQ have 49% of NZ and AN or 49% of NZ and 100% of AN? I think the fo
41 QantasAirways : I seriously dont think this deal will go through for Singapore Airlines! I dont think Helen wants their national airline to be sold to a foreign airli
42 Singapore_Air : Things are still going slowly, so what? Nothing new when it comes to the NZ Govt it seems to me... Government considers issues over Air NZ ownership p
43 Oz777 : Dale Do not be in a rush to do the $100 Salvo thing - having worked on part of this project for the last three weeks, I am less sure about the outcome
44 Bruneiair : If you don't mind my asking, Oz777 who do you work for, Ansett - ANZ, SIA, QF or Someone else ? Thanx
45 Go Canada! : ah the New Zealand Government have 'problems' ah poor them, prehaps if Helen Clark woke up they wouldnt have all of this.
46 Post contains images Singapore_Air : I'm feeling guilty now. I think it ain't Helens fault. It's the Finance Minister, Michael Cullen. Right then, let's blame him!
47 Oz777 : Bruneiair Used to work for QF in the nineties before they spent millions getting rid of all their exec's. Now (together with my staff) consult, advise
48 B744 : Did you guys read the article in the Sunday Star Times yesterday? They were suggesting that the Air New Zealand group are looking at new names for bra
49 Dalecary : Oz777, what now is your gut-feeling about what will/could/should happen? Obviously, things are pretty delicately balanced at the moment and I fear Dix
50 Al : Dale mentioned in a previous post somewhere in all the above that he hoped AN wouldn't gain access to International services at the expense of QF. I d
51 Al : One important ingredient that seems to have been overlooked in the current pawn shuffling that could indeed sway some decisions one way or the other,
52 Dalecary : Couldn't agree more Al about the SAM proposal. I can't think of any real reason why it shouldn't go thru. It would certainly help QF in their effort t
53 Aussie_ : AN wants to fly to Tokyo. I'm sure NH would be happy to codeshare too. Their deal to KIX seems to work well for both airlines. I may be wrong but the
54 Go Canada! : Well ANZ are now denying they want to change their name. It seems that nobody really knows what is going on at the moment and the longer it lasts, the
55 Air Taiwan : Geez they wouldn't change the Ansett Australia name after the re-branding would they??
56 Aduum : I rekon
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