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Korean A388 With "just" 407 Seats  
User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14744 times:

As the title suggests, it has been announced that Korean will be equipping its A388s with just 407 seats. That is the lowest seat density for any A380 so far.

They also mentioned a duty free shop on board, and a bar for business/first class pax featuring 6 custom made vodka's by Absolut.

I am wondering how much space the shop will take up and what this means for seat pitch. If the shop takes up too much space, this does not necessarily mean Korean will have the most generous seat pitch among the A380s. Any thoughts?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...es-its-duty-seriously-on-a380.html


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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14656 times:
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The Korean A380 is already flying revenue passenger service with the configuration you mentioned. Economy seat pitch remains the same at a generous 34".

The duty free shop is located at the back of the lower deck.

You can see the seat map here:

http://www.koreanair.com/local/kr/gd/eng/au/of/au_of_10.jsp#1



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14606 times:

Here's a check of the ICN-HKG A380 inaugural:

http://asia.businesstraveller.com/as...ews/exclusive-korean-airs-new-a380


User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 1):

OOH! Thanks for that! I like the fact that the upper deck is all business. So what part of that seat map represents this duty free shop mentioned in the article I posted? Is it the green box in the back of the upper deck? And yes 34" is very generous for an economy seat. I think that does not leave much room for whining pax  



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14528 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 1):

You can see the seat map here:

http://www.koreanair.com/local/kr/gd...jsp#1

Ow that looks really really comfortable, in all classes. Nice and roomy! Also I love the pictures of the shop and different bar areas. Must be a really pleasant travel experience.

CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FIRST TRIP REPORT!!! (hint, hint, hint  )

[Edited 2011-06-20 07:11:01]


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User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14469 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 4):
Also I love the pictures of the shop and different bar areas

Doh   

Just spotted the pictures too now!   

That looks brilliant. And yes, the shop is tiny, so I am brave enough to assume Korean now has the most generous seat-pitch on the A380!

Hopefully there will be some trip reports soon. First flight was just a few days ago so I guess it will take a while  



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

Quoting flyAUA (Reply 5):
That looks brilliant.

I particulary like the bar at the back of the upper deck. Very different from other bars in the sky, I like it!!



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User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

Looks great, inside and out. The 380 is really growing on me, looks wonderful in KE's livery as do most aircraft. Inside looks very spacious. I have been wanting to fly KE for a long time, might just wait for the 380 to get to LHR   


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14270 times:

Quoting worldliner (Reply 7):
I have been wanting to fly KE for a long time, might just wait for the 380 to get to LHR

Wny wait until 2012 at the earliest. You can sample KE's A380 ex-CDG next September.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

The plane looks great on the outside and all those special features on the inside also look fantastic.

The business class seat, comfortable as I'm sure it is, does look like something you'd find in a fancy futuristic operating theatre. That seat looks like a table fully reclined.

I certainly wouldn't turn down the offer to fly one. Well done to KE.


User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

Singapore Airlines' 12th A380 also has a low-density configuration of just 12 Suites, 86 Business Class seats and 311 Economy Class seats. Total number of seats is 409 - just two more than Korean Air.

However, it does not set aside space for lounges n bars on the upper deck. And also no space is allocated to facilities similar to the duty-free showcase.

For comparison:

Main deck : Both carriers have 12 suites in the front end. For the rest of the main deck, Korean has 311 Economy Class seats and the duty-free showcase. SIA has 311 Economy Class seats.

Upper deck : Korean Air has 84 Business Class seats plus a bar. SIA has 86 Business Class seats.

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User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13787 times:

Looks very comfortable, and I love the idea of the bar and the duty free shop.

Does anyone know the reason for row 46 being 3-3-3 as opposed to 3-4-3?


User currently offlinelapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1564 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Quoting noelg (Reply 11):
Does anyone know the reason for row 46 being 3-3-3 as opposed to 3-4-3?

Probably the same as on the other A380 operators, I think it provides access to the lower deck.


User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 13293 times:

Quoting aviasian (Reply 10):
ingapore Airlines' 12th A380 also has a low-density configuration of just 12 Suites, 86 Business Class seats and 311 Economy Class seats. Total number of seats is 409 - just two more than Korean Air.

However, it does not set aside space for lounges n bars on the upper deck. And also no space is allocated to facilities similar to the duty-free showcase.

For comparison:

Main deck : Both carriers have 12 suites in the front end. For the rest of the main deck, Korean has 311 Economy Class seats and the duty-free showcase. SIA has 311 Economy Class seats.

Upper deck : Korean Air has 84 Business Class seats plus a bar. SIA has 86 Business Class seats.

Interesting comparison   

I just compared using seatguru.com and found the following:

First class suites Singapore/Korean: 81"/83"
Business class seats Singapore/Korean: 55"/74"
Economy class seats Singapore/Korean: 32"/34"

So... I don't know what exactly singapore has done with all the non-seat space, but Korean's seat pitch is higher in all cases, despite the fact that there are "only" 2 seats less in total.



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User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13091 times:

Quoting noelg (Reply 11):
Does anyone know the reason for row 46 being 3-3-3 as opposed to 3-4-3?
Quoting lapper (Reply 12):
Probably the same as on the other A380 operators, I think it provides access to the lower deck.

To expand on what has been said, the 'missing' seat is the location of the emergency escape hatch for the lower deck cabin crew rest facility.


User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11658 times:

So how is the A380 the Greenest plane on the planet again?


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User currently offlinejpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4385 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11582 times:

Quoting flyAUA (Reply 13):

So... I don't know what exactly singapore has done with all the non-seat space, but Korean's seat pitch is higher in all cases, despite the fact that there are "only" 2 seats less in total.

SQ's business class is ridiculously wide. Accounts for a 1-2-1 vs. 2-2-2 configuration on the upper deck.



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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Totally off the subject....but did anybody else notice the max distances and max flight times of virtually all of their aircraft is incorrect on their website? For instance, it says the 737-800 has a max flight time of 3:46...or for the 747-400 they claim a max duration of 13:24.

User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Reply 15):
So how is the A380 the Greenest plane on the planet again?

When an airline decides to equip an A388 with 407 seats, or a B744 with 250 seats, this has nothing to do with aircraft not being green, but rather with airline strategy   

Quoting jpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
SQ's business class is ridiculously wide. Accounts for a 1-2-1 vs. 2-2-2 configuration on the upper deck.

Thanks for pointing that out, completely forgot. If that doesn't account for the seat pitch differences, then I don't know what does!

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 17):
Totally off the subject....but did anybody else notice the max distances and max flight times of virtually all of their aircraft is incorrect on their website? For instance, it says the 737-800 has a max flight time of 3:46...or for the 747-400 they claim a max duration of 13:24.

Yes, actually I did but I didn't dare question it as I was thinking maybe they have certain tweaks or fuel-tank/seat layout/cargo modifications which called for an adjustment of the performance data? No idea what else could be the reason   



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

Previous thread on same topic here:

KAL A380s To Have 407 Seats (by RubberJungle Dec 28 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 19):
by RubberJungle Dec 28 2010

Yikes that's from 2010! That it ages aso which explains why it did not appear in my list of civ-av threads. Either way, I am not bothered if this one gets locked as I already have my answer thanks to jpetekYXMD80 and HOONS90   



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