flaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 290 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11397 times:
Before the advent of new Ultra Long Haul aircraft, Anchorage used to be an important airport for refueling aircraft that could not make their trip non-stop. Being at the crossroads of Trans Pacific travel, many international airlines would use ANC as a tech stop. What is their situation today? Does ANC actually get any international O & D traffic from any intl airlines.? I know their are still many cargo flights operating through ANC. But do they really still need to stop there?
They could go nonstop, but they'd have to leave some cargo behind, and operators won't do that. FedEx has gained some advantage on competition by using their 777s to overfly Anchorage, allowing a later departure.
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GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3331 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11107 times:
Quoting flaps30 (Thread starter): Does ANC actually get any international O & D traffic from any intl airlines.?
I recall seeing a placard in the baggage claim area at the ANC airport which read roughly 70% of airports revenue is generated from cargo. I would guess the other 30% is comprised from domestic travel. The majority of passenger traffic from Asia is routed to YVR and SEA. The Japanese did offer seasonal non-stop service to FAI. I seem to recall a couple of Intl flights which flew the polar route to Europe. I saw a BA 747 in ANC which i was told originated in SEA on the way to LHR.
The 747 known as Air Force One refuels at EDF in ANC when it flies between Washington and the far East.
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woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10881 times:
Anchorage is as busy as ever with cargo, just go hang out on any given afternoon and watch the endless stream of 747s, MD-11s and DC-10s flow in and out.
As far as international passenger traffic goes, ANC was never a big hub or stopover for the simple reason that there wasnt much opportunity to pick pax up or drop them off and of course when you look at laws that prohibit an int'l carrier to fly between two points in America for anything other than fuel (no passengers could board an int'l airline at a US airport for passage to another US airport) you just didnt get much pax traffic, even years ago. In the past Cathay Pacific stopped over between JFK and HKG and there is still service from KE outbound to Korea. Even Aeroflot use to serve Anchorage as did another Russian airline Magadan Air but those flights are long gone. Condor does serve Anchorage in the summer as well as Fairbanks, Japan Airlines runs weekly charters in the winter months into Fairbanks and AC operates YVR-ANC flights in the summer. ANC is still busy no matter how you look at it, pax and cargo!
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10513 times:
Quoting woodsboy (Reply 5): As far as international passenger traffic goes, ANC was never a big hub or stopover for the simple reason that there wasnt much opportunity to pick pax up or drop them off and of course when you look at laws that prohibit an int'l carrier to fly between two points in America for anything other than fuel (no passengers could board an int'l airline at a US airport for passage to another US airport) you just didnt get much pax traffic, even years ago.
You're not looking back far enough! In the days before relations between Russia and the Western World improved, many European airlines served the Far East (namely Tokyo) via ANC. It was far shorter to fly polar to ANC and then back to HND compared with flying a southerly route that entirely avoided the USSR. Combine that with many services between North America and Asia requiring a tech stop on that day's equipment and ANC was indeed a very important stopover for international passenger traffic. That's why it is known as the air crossroads of the world!
As far as cargo goes, we have numerous daily flights from:
Cathay Pacific Airways Cargo
Korean Air Cargo
Singapore Airlines Cargo
Eva Air Cargo
Polar Air Cargo
Kalitta Air Cargo
Air China Cargo
China Airlines Cargo
China Cargo Airlines
China Southern Cargo
China Eastern Cargo
Shanghai Airlines Cargo
Asiana Airlines Cargo
....and of course, FedEx and UPS.
I believe there is also an Eva Airways 777-300ER that makes a tech stop on the westbound EWR-TPE.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8829 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9880 times:
Very little is my guess. Those pax flights were just refueling stops and brought little revenue to the airport and city. In the mean time, ANC has grown significantly as a cargo hub and that's where their bread and butter is.
2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9488 times:
IMHO, No Asian airline will use one of its ULH aircraft to fly non-stop to Latinamerica in the next 1-2 years.
So since ANC is the only U.S. airport which allows TWOV, I'd be nice if ANC were to promote itself to Asian airlines as a stop enroute between Asia and Latinamerica and bring some use to ANC international terminal.
Asian airlines already have a presence in ANC thru its cargo operations, so in a way adding a passenger service shouldn't be that much of a nuicense.
However, I can't see ANC as a stop for an Asia-Cuba charter.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 13236 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9423 times:
Quoting steex (Reply 8): You're not looking back far enough! In the days before relations between Russia and the Western World improved, many European airlines served the Far East (namely Tokyo) via ANC.
Exactly! My first flight to Japan from the UK back in early '79 was via Anchorage. I was astonished at the variety of planes and airlines there.
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BlackandWhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9243 times:
Although passenger flights were basically refuelling stops, theystill carried passengers who got off and spent money inthe terminal shops and especially the Duty frees , from what i remember the whole of the upper floor of the international terminal was geared exclusively to japanese travellers, who spent well on spirits and surprisingly on meat which was also sold.
as regards the city i think the hotels, restaurants , and transportation companies would do well given there would be probably 300+ airline crews slipping every day
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10916 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8522 times:
Back in the Vietnam era, I was stationed at Shemya AFB, in the Aleutians. More than once, we became an "unplanned" tech stop, mostly for MAC contract flights to the Far East. The Air Force frowned on it, though, mainly because of the top secret nature of the base. I can remember at least once that World came in with a stretch 8, and it was quite an event.....we got to see some flight attendants that didn't work for Reeve.
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BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7538 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 12): Can anyone in ANC tell me, if that big stuffed ice-bear in a showcase is still there?? I always visited it as a kid.
Yes! I have not been to ANC for several years, but the polar bear was still there on my last visit. I remember it well. It was near the check-in desks, in front of the escalator to the B concourse. Huge polar bear.