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Is Anchorage Still Relevant As A Tech Stop?  
User currently offlineflaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 289 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

Before the advent of new Ultra Long Haul aircraft, Anchorage used to be an important airport for refueling aircraft that could not make their trip non-stop. Being at the crossroads of Trans Pacific travel, many international airlines would use ANC as a tech stop. What is their situation today? Does ANC actually get any international O & D traffic from any intl airlines.? I know their are still many cargo flights operating through ANC. But do they really still need to stop there?


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11248 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Thread starter):
But do they really still need to stop there?

They could go nonstop, but they'd have to leave some cargo behind, and operators won't do that. FedEx has gained some advantage on competition by using their 777s to overfly Anchorage, allowing a later departure.



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User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11082 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Thread starter):
Does ANC actually get any international O & D traffic from any intl airlines.?

I recall seeing a placard in the baggage claim area at the ANC airport which read roughly 70% of airports revenue is generated from cargo. I would guess the other 30% is comprised from domestic travel. The majority of passenger traffic from Asia is routed to YVR and SEA. The Japanese did offer seasonal non-stop service to FAI. I seem to recall a couple of Intl flights which flew the polar route to Europe. I saw a BA 747 in ANC which i was told originated in SEA on the way to LHR.

The 747 known as Air Force One refuels at EDF in ANC when it flies between Washington and the far East.



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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Thread starter):
Does ANC actually get any international O & D traffic from any intl airlines.?

JL and KE.

DE (I believe charter only to bring in tourists) and WK.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10935 times:

Quoting flaps30 (Thread starter):
I know their are still many cargo flights operating through ANC. But do they really still need to stop there?

Yes, cargo airlines such as Cathay Pacific Airways Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Korean Airlines Cargo, etc. all operate into MIA via ANC.


User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10856 times:

Anchorage is as busy as ever with cargo, just go hang out on any given afternoon and watch the endless stream of 747s, MD-11s and DC-10s flow in and out.

As far as international passenger traffic goes, ANC was never a big hub or stopover for the simple reason that there wasnt much opportunity to pick pax up or drop them off and of course when you look at laws that prohibit an int'l carrier to fly between two points in America for anything other than fuel (no passengers could board an int'l airline at a US airport for passage to another US airport) you just didnt get much pax traffic, even years ago. In the past Cathay Pacific stopped over between JFK and HKG and there is still service from KE outbound to Korea. Even Aeroflot use to serve Anchorage as did another Russian airline Magadan Air but those flights are long gone. Condor does serve Anchorage in the summer as well as Fairbanks, Japan Airlines runs weekly charters in the winter months into Fairbanks and AC operates YVR-ANC flights in the summer. ANC is still busy no matter how you look at it, pax and cargo!


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10707 times:

As of 2010, ANC ranks as the fifth busiest airport in the world by cargo traffic, after Seoul, Shanghai, Memphis, and Hong Kong.

Cathay Pacific Airways Cargo:

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Korean Air Cargo:

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Air China Cargo:

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4147 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

Don't forget our domestics...UPS and Fedex who both have quite sizable ops here:


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Both airlines stop here between Asia and the domestic United States excepting the FX 777s AFAIK.


User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 5):
As far as international passenger traffic goes, ANC was never a big hub or stopover for the simple reason that there wasnt much opportunity to pick pax up or drop them off and of course when you look at laws that prohibit an int'l carrier to fly between two points in America for anything other than fuel (no passengers could board an int'l airline at a US airport for passage to another US airport) you just didnt get much pax traffic, even years ago.

You're not looking back far enough! In the days before relations between Russia and the Western World improved, many European airlines served the Far East (namely Tokyo) via ANC. It was far shorter to fly polar to ANC and then back to HND compared with flying a southerly route that entirely avoided the USSR. Combine that with many services between North America and Asia requiring a tech stop on that day's equipment and ANC was indeed a very important stopover for international passenger traffic. That's why it is known as the air crossroads of the world!


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 8):
That's why it is known as the air crossroads of the world!

Somewhere I read that ANC is within 10 hours flying time of something like 80% of the world's population or something like that. I'm sure someone can dig up the stat.



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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10196 times:

Edelweiss Air just started nonstop service to ZRH this summer...
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It's also pretty common to get one or two FX 777 in ANC every day....
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As far as cargo goes, we have numerous daily flights from:

Cathay Pacific Airways Cargo
Korean Air Cargo
Singapore Airlines Cargo
Eva Air Cargo
Polar Air Cargo
Kalitta Air Cargo
Air China Cargo
China Airlines Cargo
China Cargo Airlines
China Southern Cargo
China Eastern Cargo
Shanghai Airlines Cargo
Nippon Cargo
Atlas Air
Cargolux
Southern Air
Emirates SkyCargo
Asiana Airlines Cargo
....and of course, FedEx and UPS.

I believe there is also an Eva Airways 777-300ER that makes a tech stop on the westbound EWR-TPE.


User currently offlinehal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9962 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 8):
In the days before relations between Russia and the Western World improved, many European airlines served the Far East (namely Tokyo) via ANC.

True. I used to fly LH to NRT via ANC back then. I seem to recall, that those flights even orginated in HAM, not FRA, but I am not sure.

Can anyone in ANC tell me, if that big stuffed ice-bear in a showcase is still there?? I always visited it as a kid.

Also, does anybody know, what kind of impact opening the iron curtain had on ANC? I assume, all flights between europe and east asia not using ANC anymore must have had some impact?


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8659 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9855 times:

Very little is my guess. Those pax flights were just refueling stops and brought little revenue to the airport and city. In the mean time, ANC has grown significantly as a cargo hub and that's where their bread and butter is.

User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

Are all the cargo landing rights a huge money-maker for the airport? Or does Alaska/Anchorage try to lure/retain all that business with ridiculously low facility charges?

BTW, who owns the airport? The state? The city? The county? A private company?


User currently onlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting NW7E7 (Reply 10):
....and of course, FedEx and UPS.

......and these guys too:


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

IMHO, No Asian airline will use one of its ULH aircraft to fly non-stop to Latinamerica in the next 1-2 years.
So since ANC is the only U.S. airport which allows TWOV, I'd be nice if ANC were to promote itself to Asian airlines as a stop enroute between Asia and Latinamerica and bring some use to ANC international terminal.
Asian airlines already have a presence in ANC thru its cargo operations, so in a way adding a passenger service shouldn't be that much of a nuicense.
However, I can't see ANC as a stop for an Asia-Cuba charter.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12891 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9398 times:
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Quoting steex (Reply 8):
You're not looking back far enough! In the days before relations between Russia and the Western World improved, many European airlines served the Far East (namely Tokyo) via ANC.

Exactly! My first flight to Japan from the UK back in early '79 was via Anchorage. I was astonished at the variety of planes and airlines there.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

In addition to all the cargo traffic, its important to realize that corporate jets use the airport quite a bit as well.

Fuel top-offs to Asia and beyond, and crew changes as well using the 2-3 FBO's up there.

If ANC doesnt work, then usual Fairbanks (FAI) will work as well.



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User currently offlineBlackandWhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Although passenger flights were basically refuelling stops, theystill carried passengers who got off and spent money inthe terminal shops and especially the Duty frees , from what i remember the whole of the upper floor of the international terminal was geared exclusively to japanese travellers, who spent well on spirits and surprisingly on meat which was also sold.
as regards the city i think the hotels, restaurants , and transportation companies would do well given there would be probably 300+ airline crews slipping every day


User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Quoting BlackandWhite (Reply 18):
there would be probably 300+ airline crews slipping every day

Any crew bases currently? In the past?


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8497 times:

Back in the Vietnam era, I was stationed at Shemya AFB, in the Aleutians. More than once, we became an "unplanned" tech stop, mostly for MAC contract flights to the Far East. The Air Force frowned on it, though, mainly because of the top secret nature of the base. I can remember at least once that World came in with a stretch 8, and it was quite an event.....we got to see some flight attendants that didn't work for Reeve.  Wink

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User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

I think airlines have invested too heavily in ANC for them just to pull out. It is worthwhile enough for alot of airlines to go through.

Its different with FX because they have such a large fleet they can have certain routes through ANC or non stop with the 77F.



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User currently offlineQFYVR From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

There have been a lot of rumors over the past few years that CX Cargo wants to move their entire freighter operation from ANC to YVR but lack of facilities has meant no sign of it so far.

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
Can anyone in ANC tell me, if that big stuffed ice-bear in a showcase is still there?? I always visited it as a kid.

Yes! I have not been to ANC for several years, but the polar bear was still there on my last visit. I remember it well. It was near the check-in desks, in front of the escalator to the B concourse. Huge polar bear.


User currently offlineB777fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

I don't know about the polar bear, but here is a link to a page that has a picture of the brown bear I saw there.

http://stuckattheairport.com/2010/10...s-anchorage-international-airport/


25 RobertS975 : I haven't been there for a few years either, but I remember it as a grizzly!
26 B737900 : Japanese flock to Fairbanks in the winter. Something about making love under the Northern lights that enhances the chances of getting pregnant!!
27 Viscount724 : Assume you're referring to cargo? I'm not aware of any current JL or KE (or any other Asian carriers) operating passenger service to ANC. I believe t
28 dlphoenix : BR operates a 4 weekly 77w EWR-ANC-TPE. The eastbound is TPE-EWR nonstop. DLP
29 Grid : I guess they probably don't need to stop there - there are other airports available, aren't there? ANC just makes the most sense?
30 DualQual : FedEx, UPS, and Alaska have crew bases in ANC.
31 carpethead : While I agree that no Asian airline will do any ULH to Latin America, isn't it just better to feed any of the Latin American passengers through LAX,
32 HPRamper : ANC is the best midpoint between the large markets. And there is no other suitable airport nearby...YVR is the closest major airport and that is over
33 2travel2know2 : The "Alliance thing" doesn't work for those without U.S. visas or those who just can't get one. That's why there's a large number of passengers flyin
34 Post contains links glbltrvlr : The US TWOV program was suspended after 9/11 http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/About%20U...e%20Guide/NonimmigrantServices.pdf (page 138) making passenger tr
35 anonms : I think JL and KE operate seasonally. At any rate, CI was the last carrier to operate year-round scheduled flights until about two months ago.
36 PanHAM : For UPS and FX it is not only a tech stop but a sorting center as well. Through pallets build at the various originating airports in the US are interc
37 Post contains images hal9213 : I found a picture of my polar bear in ANC
38 USAirALB : China Airlines discontinued their passenger flights to ANC this spring. I think CX discontinued their HKG-ANC-YYZ flight in 2008 or 2009.
39 yellowtail : very low ADR (or low yield in airline speak). It is the hotel version of trashy yields. Well they could always go QF via SYD or LAN via AKL/SYD to ge
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