turjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16598 times:
So as some of you know, Sunwing has begun offering flights from Toronto and Montreal to some key European destinations for the summer using a couple of leased 767s. Some of the prices have been incredibly low. For example; YYZ-LGW: $298 and YYZ-Rome: $398. I have been looking into the YYZ-LGW offerings for July and found that some of the flights had 1stop. It was unclear where this stop was or whether some flights were direct. I could not find much information on the airline's site and started to look through flightaware and flightstats and came across something interesting.
I found this really interesting as I was not aware of any other airlines making transatlantic flights with 737s. I mean I know BA uses A319 from LCY-JFK and AC uses special A319s from YYT-LHR. I even heard about Ryanair offering flights to New York a few years back; I don't remember if those ever materialized.
So my question is, does anyone have any information about Sunwing's services from Canada to Europe? Do they normally use the 737s, or is it mostly 767s and on rare occasions they use the 737? Also can anyone confirm if the 767s are leased from Arkefly like they were last summer? ...Any information on this airline flying in these routes would be appreciated.
YXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 444 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16202 times:
Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter): Also can anyone confirm if the 767s are leased from Arkefly like they were last summer? .
According to SPOTTERS ACARS, it looks like this flight was operated by CS-TFS earlier in the week, so at least some of their 767s are coming from YU . I wonder if that 737 (C-FEAK) was a sub-in or if they've scheduled it the whole summer... Judging by their schedule online, all flights seem to have the same duration, so I'm thinking that the 737 was just used the one time.
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 2): But those fares are cheap, but it seems like those airplanes have very tight seating.
If the 767s are at all like the 737s... YES it's cramped! Now, it didn't seem as bad as 5G 's A320, but it was still cramped. Thankfully, it was only on a 5-hour flight and the service was very good (food and wine in Y on a domestic - long after AC had cut all but coffee and soft drinks!)
Looking at YU's website though, their 767 look to have 7-across and 30 in. pitch. Not comfortable, but at least they didn't go for 8-across!
Radial engines don't leak oil, they are just marking their territory!
by188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 703 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15846 times:
The 737 was a one off sub as the 767 developed a tech fault, to make the journey it had a technical stop in Iceland The airline is getting good reviews over here, You get a free glass of champagne, hot meal, free glass of wine, and free headphones for the IFE.
next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15738 times:
Though I believe on the EuroAtlantic 767s configuration is 2-4-2 rather than the standards 2-3-2, is this correct? To me thats a bit cramped. Even with free headphones, free glass of wine, and free glass of champagne.
fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10469 times:
Quoting cxh (Reply 13): Bingo! All Sunwing transatlantic flying this summer is on two EuroAtlantic 763s in an 2-4-2 configuration. 300Y seats! Prices are great; seat width is not.
But I am pretty sure that you can forget about your knees being smashed up against the seat in front of you and your ass squished into the seat as long as you have that free shot glass of champagne at the beginning of the flight...right?
Quoting jalig (Reply 14):
I hear you complain about going tatl on a 737, but how is that so much more different than doing the same in a 757?
The difference is that the 737 at Sunwing are at full seating of 189. Would you want a 757 of CO with 175 seats with AVOD or at 233 or more seats in charter config on a 6 hour flight or more?
jalig From Norway, joined Apr 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 15): The difference is that the 737 at Sunwing are at full seating of 189. Would you want a 757 of CO with 175 seats with AVOD or at 233 or more seats in charter config on a 6 hour flight or more?
If it was up to me i would take the Emirates suite anyday. But it is selling isnt it?
Iceland Express are using a similar config on their 752 from KEF to EWR and ORD .
fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8705 times:
Well if people can deal with it for 7 hours... and would prefer to do it on that budget fare... then I guess more power to the people flying them and the airlines doing it. Course I would imagine it'd be painful for the flight attendants with passengers standing in the aisles all the time lol..
fly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6331 times:
Quoting yenne09 (Reply 19): I Have traveled a lot on TATL aboard DC-8/B707 and I made a 5 hours trip on A B737-700 between Montreal and Guadeloupe and even if I am 6'1'' tall I have survived all these flights.
Ah I didn't know charter airlines operated to PTP... i think that was more of the concern as it being in charter configuration rather than it just being a narrowbody flight.
They still do but use their 752s which are more than capable of making it across the pond. This year there are 2 charters each from LBA and NCL.
Quoting heathrow (Reply 10): I had made a post a few months ago regarding this airline and these routes, and the answer I was given was these flights are opperated by Arkefly 767's, so I would say this is a one off sub.
My former partner's sister was an F/A on Fly Globespan's 73Gs. She was on two TATL runs on the type and I believe there were three more that she did not work.
KLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 692 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
when in coach, i fail to see what the difference is between a 737, 767, 747 or a320 or a340.
when in coach, and you are sitting, it's the same to me. all you get is your seat, and the seat is the same regardless of the aircraft type, so ultimately, do you really care or even notice how big the plane is, or how does the size of the plane affect you when all you get are the same amount of inches and space on any sized aircraft.
In other words, it's all the same...... you know what.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
Quoting offloaded (Reply 18): ...and also to clear US Customs and Immigration in SNN.
But that's not the reason for the stop itself.......only a by-product of it. If the flight could be operated non-stop it certainly wouldn't land in SNN just to provide US Immigration and Customs clearance.
It all depends on seat configuration. I'd take a 35 degree pitch any day over a 30. I travel to the UK about twice a year from YYZ and I can attest to the fact that different seating configuration has an impact on flight comfort.