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Toronto To London; In A 738?!  
User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16868 times:

So as some of you know, Sunwing has begun offering flights from Toronto and Montreal to some key European destinations for the summer using a couple of leased 767s. Some of the prices have been incredibly low. For example; YYZ-LGW: $298 and YYZ-Rome: $398. I have been looking into the YYZ-LGW offerings for July and found that some of the flights had 1stop. It was unclear where this stop was or whether some flights were direct. I could not find much information on the airline's site and started to look through flightaware and flightstats and came across something interesting.

Aparantly WG#200 leaving YYZ for LGW on June 20th made a stop at KEF using a B738.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWG200

I found this really interesting as I was not aware of any other airlines making transatlantic flights with 737s. I mean I know BA uses A319 from LCY-JFK and AC uses special A319s from YYT-LHR. I even heard about Ryanair offering flights to New York a few years back; I don't remember if those ever materialized.

So my question is, does anyone have any information about Sunwing's services from Canada to Europe? Do they normally use the 737s, or is it mostly 767s and on rare occasions they use the 737? Also can anyone confirm if the 767s are leased from Arkefly like they were last summer? ...Any information on this airline flying in these routes would be appreciated.

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User currently offlineairceo From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 16750 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
I have been looking into the LGW offerings for July and found that some of the flights had 1stop.

With a max range of 2458nm a stop between http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=2458nm%40YYZ

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
I mean I know BA uses A319 from LCY-JFK

A318 which stops westbound.

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
I even heard about Ryanair offering flights to New York a few years back; I don't remember if those ever materialized.
Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
Do they normally use the 737s, or is it mostly 767s and on rare occasions they use the 737?

I would imagine it's mainly 767s. I would hate to sit in a 737 for that long. Stop and all.

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
can anyone confirm if the 767s are leased from Arkefly like they were last summer?

I would be curious to know the answer to this too. I suspect yes.

airceo

[Edited 2011-06-21 09:21:21]


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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 16691 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
I found this really interesting as I was not aware of any other airlines making transatlantic flights with 737s.

Sun Country operates the 738 across the pond offering MSP-LGW I 1x weekly with a tech stop in YQX.

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
I mean I know BA uses A319 from LCY-JFK

That would be an A318.  
Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
So my question is, does anyone have any information about Sunwing's services from Canada to Europe?

Sorry I don't have any more information about the airline and their operations to Europe. But those fares are cheap, but it seems like those airplanes have very tight seating.   


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 16472 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
Also can anyone confirm if the 767s are leased from Arkefly like they were last summer? .

According to SPOTTERS ACARS, it looks like this flight was operated by CS-TFS earlier in the week, so at least some of their 767s are coming from YU . I wonder if that 737 (C-FEAK) was a sub-in or if they've scheduled it the whole summer... Judging by their schedule online, all flights seem to have the same duration, so I'm thinking that the 737 was just used the one time.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 2):
But those fares are cheap, but it seems like those airplanes have very tight seating.

If the 767s are at all like the 737s... YES it's cramped! Now, it didn't seem as bad as 5G 's A320, but it was still cramped. Thankfully, it was only on a 5-hour flight and the service was very good (food and wine in Y on a domestic - long after AC had cut all but coffee and soft drinks!)

Looking at YU's website though, their 767 look to have 7-across and 30 in. pitch. Not comfortable, but at least they didn't go for 8-across!



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User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 16116 times:

The 737 was a one off sub as the 767 developed a tech fault, to make the journey it had a technical stop in Iceland The airline is getting good reviews over here, You get a free glass of champagne, hot meal, free glass of wine, and free headphones for the IFE.


next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 16008 times:

Though I believe on the EuroAtlantic 767s configuration is 2-4-2 rather than the standards 2-3-2, is this correct? To me thats a bit cramped. Even with free headphones, free glass of wine, and free glass of champagne.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 15186 times:

Quoting airceo (Reply 1):
A318 which stops westbound.

Only because LCY's runway is too short.

Quoting turjo101 (Thread starter):
even heard about Ryanair offering flights to New York a few years back; I don't remember if those ever materialized.

I remember Jet2 offering these around Christmas time.



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8188 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 15006 times:

A UK charter airline that went bust was flying to YYZ via KEF with 737s. I think it was Globespan.


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User currently offlineMichaelEI From Ireland, joined Jan 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 5):

Though I believe on the EuroAtlantic 767s configuration is 2-4-2 rather than the standards 2-3-2, is this correct? To me thats a bit cramped.

Trust me it is. I spend 12+ hours in one in 2004. My parents complained to the travel agency (so did a LOT of people) over the comfort [or lack thereof]. It was awful.


User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 14946 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):

I am pretty sure Globespan operated from YHM to Europe using 767's.

YYZRWY23



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 14372 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
A UK charter airline that went bust was flying to YYZ via KEF with 737s. I think it was Globespan.
Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 9):
I am pretty sure Globespan operated from YHM to Europe using 767's.

  

I had made a post a few months ago regarding this airline and these routes, and the answer I was given was these flights are opperated by Arkefly 767's, so I would say this is a one off sub.

God to hear this service is getting good rep, but I think I'll stick with speedbird, regardless of the price


User currently offlinefshplns From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 14289 times:

PrivitAir was running a 73G from EWR to DUS or MUC, cant remember which one. It CAN be done

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

Quoting fshplns (Reply 11):
PrivitAir was running a 73G from EWR to DUS or MUC, cant remember which one. It CAN be done

That was a BBJ in a all Business configuration. (48 seats IIRC)



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User currently offlinecxh From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 5):
Though I believe on the EuroAtlantic 767s configuration is 2-4-2 rather than the standards 2-3-2, is this correct? To me thats a bit cramped.

Bingo! All Sunwing transatlantic flying this summer is on two EuroAtlantic 763s in an 2-4-2 configuration. 300Y seats! Prices are great; seat width is not.

The exception is YYZ-AMS with is Arkefly again in a two or three class config (not sure which).



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User currently offlinejalig From Norway, joined Apr 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 11378 times:

I hear you complain about going tatl on a 737, but how is that so much more different than doing the same in a 757?


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User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 10739 times:

Quoting cxh (Reply 13):
Bingo! All Sunwing transatlantic flying this summer is on two EuroAtlantic 763s in an 2-4-2 configuration. 300Y seats! Prices are great; seat width is not.

But I am pretty sure that you can forget about your knees being smashed up against the seat in front of you and your ass squished into the seat as long as you have that free shot glass of champagne at the beginning of the flight...right?

Quoting jalig (Reply 14):

I hear you complain about going tatl on a 737, but how is that so much more different than doing the same in a 757?

The difference is that the 737 at Sunwing are at full seating of 189. Would you want a 757 of CO with 175 seats with AVOD or at 233 or more seats in charter config on a 6 hour flight or more?


User currently offlinejalig From Norway, joined Apr 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 9097 times:

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 15):
The difference is that the 737 at Sunwing are at full seating of 189. Would you want a 757 of CO with 175 seats with AVOD or at 233 or more seats in charter config on a 6 hour flight or more?

If it was up to me i would take the Emirates suite anyday. But it is selling isnt it?

Iceland Express are using a similar config on their 752 from KEF to EWR and ORD .



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User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Well if people can deal with it for 7 hours... and would prefer to do it on that budget fare... then I guess more power to the people flying them and the airlines doing it. Course I would imagine it'd be painful for the flight attendants with passengers standing in the aisles all the time lol..

User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
Only because LCY's runway is too short.

...and also to clear US Customs and Immigration in SNN.

Quoting jalig (Reply 14):
I hear you complain about going tatl on a 737, but how is that so much more different than doing the same in a 757?

Exactly. To me it's not the a/c type, it's the layout/seat pitch etc, and and not sure the average person hasn't got a clue anyway. If it's cheap enough, they'll do it.



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User currently offlineyenne09 From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
A UK charter airline that went bust was flying to YYZ via KEF with 737s. I think it was Globespan.

Effectively I saw a B737 of Globespan at Hamilton (YHM) in the summer of 2008.

Quoting jalig (Reply 14):
I hear you complain about going tatl on a 737, but how is that so much more different than doing the same in a 757?

I Have traveled a lot on TATL aboard DC-8/B707 and I made a 5 hours trip on A B737-700 between Montreal and Guadeloupe and even if I am 6'1'' tall I have survived all these flights.


User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 6601 times:

Quoting yenne09 (Reply 19):
I Have traveled a lot on TATL aboard DC-8/B707 and I made a 5 hours trip on A B737-700 between Montreal and Guadeloupe and even if I am 6'1'' tall I have survived all these flights.

Ah I didn't know charter airlines operated to PTP... i think that was more of the concern as it being in charter configuration rather than it just being a narrowbody flight.


User currently offlinepoz2brs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I remember Jet2 offering these around Christmas time.

They still do but use their 752s which are more than capable of making it across the pond. This year there are 2 charters each from LBA and NCL.

Quoting heathrow (Reply 10):
I had made a post a few months ago regarding this airline and these routes, and the answer I was given was these flights are opperated by Arkefly 767's, so I would say this is a one off sub.

My former partner's sister was an F/A on Fly Globespan's 73Gs. She was on two TATL runs on the type and I believe there were three more that she did not work.


User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 2881 times:

when in coach, i fail to see what the difference is between a 737, 767, 747 or a320 or a340.

when in coach, and you are sitting, it's the same to me. all you get is your seat, and the seat is the same regardless of the aircraft type, so ultimately, do you really care or even notice how big the plane is, or how does the size of the plane affect you when all you get are the same amount of inches and space on any sized aircraft.

In other words, it's all the same...... you know what.

 


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

If they would have 737-700ER's they could make it non-stop to almost all western Europe from Canadian East coast.

Have a look: http://www.intervistas.com/downloads/CAIR/articles/02_feb2006_c.pdf

I have a very detailed market analysis as well that I could dig up, if interested.

[Edited 2011-06-22 12:05:51]

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 18):
...and also to clear US Customs and Immigration in SNN.

But that's not the reason for the stop itself.......only a by-product of it. If the flight could be operated non-stop it certainly wouldn't land in SNN just to provide US Immigration and Customs clearance.


User currently offlinempsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 22):

It all depends on seat configuration. I'd take a 35 degree pitch any day over a 30. I travel to the UK about twice a year from YYZ and I can attest to the fact that different seating configuration has an impact on flight comfort.


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