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Possible AA 777-300ER Routes?  
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15459 times:

Hey guys,
I thought we can try and come up with a list of possible 77W routes AA will start when they recieve them? My guesses are:

MIA-CPT
LAX-HKG
LAX-SYD
DFW-PEK
ORD-PVG

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15432 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Thread starter):
MIA-CPT
LAX-HKG
LAX-SYD
DFW-PEK
ORD-PVG

Thoughts?

I doubt we'll see them on MIA-CPT (not enough demand for such a long flight), LAX-SYD (too competitive, and QF already serves this market with multiple daily flights), DFW-PEK (a 77E would be better suited for this route) or ORD-PVG (a route that some say AA is struggling to fly profitably). LAX-HKG is one I think is a possibility, although DFW-HKG may make more sense. Other likely routes I think we'll see them on are:

MIA-JNB
ORD-BOM
DFW-SYD (possibly replacing or supplementing QF's service)

And many more where AA needs the additional capacity like JFK/ORD/DFW/MIA-LHR, MIA-EZE, and MIA-GRU.

Jeremy


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7807 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15432 times:

I know AA said they want to reach places they couldnt before, but with AA's conservativeness Im thinking they may just throw them on routes that could use more capacity without adding another flight like DFW-NRT or MIA-GRU.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15396 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AA said they want to reach places they couldnt before, but with AA's conservativeness Im thinking they may just throw them on routes that could use more capacity without adding another flight like DFW-NRT or MIA-GRU.

I agree. Although I hope we'll at least get to see AA try MIA-JNB, DFW-HKG, or even MIA-TLV with these new aircraft. Placing these aircraft on JFK-LHR, MIA-GRU, or DFW-NRT would be so boring, unfortunately airlines aren't in business to please aviation enthusiasts.  

Jeremy


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

There was an article on the DMN airline biz blog a few days ago in which AA's President Tom Horton was asked about that. Here's the link:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...american-airlines-is-buying-a.html

He was very vague, but did give some possibilities including MIA-NRT and service to Hong Kong. He suggested that Heathrow might see the 77W, but mostly Asia and deep South America.

Quote:
Q. What types of routes would 777-300ERs fly?

Horton: "It has really good long-range capability. It has more range than a -200ER. It's got more seats. The fact that it carries more people, you could think of as a good airplane for a slot constrained airport like Heathrow.

"The fact that it has great range means that it could be a really good airplane for Asia or deep South America. In Asia, it'd be a great airplane for India. It would be a great airplane for China. If we had a long-haul deal with pilots, we could fly Miami-Narita. We could fly Hong Kong.

"You could think of a lot of opportunities, particularly where you can put it in a partner's hub, from one of our hubs to a partner hub. That's a formula to make money."



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15319 times:

I said CPT thinking it might be a little constrained out pf JNB because pf the high altitude but if they can do JNB it can very well work for them.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7273 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15282 times:

I would imagine we will see them on some existing routes like MIA-GRU, DFW-NRT etc.. Hopefully they start something new like a MIA-NRT or MIA-JNB which both I think could do very well at least start them off with weekly service. The market is definitely there for MIA-JNB. Not sure how difficult of a flight it would be for the 77W.
LAX-HKG would be an interesting.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15287 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Thread starter):

MIA-CPT
LAX-HKG
LAX-SYD
DFW-PEK
ORD-PVG

I don't think that HKG and SYD to LAX need anymore carriers.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
MIA-JNB
ORD-BOM
DFW-SYD (possibly replacing or supplementing QF's service)

Could the 77W make it DFW-SYD-DFW without the tech stop in BNE?

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
And many more where AA needs the additional capacity like JFK/ORD/DFW/MIA-LHR, MIA-EZE, and MIA-GRU.

For sure the 773 will be useful on those runs, particularly the evening departures out of JFK those stations.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AA said they want to reach places they couldnt before, but with AA's conservativeness Im thinking they may just throw them on routes that could use more capacity without adding another flight like DFW-NRT or MIA-GRU.

I see nothing wrong with that- it just means that they have to find new routes to fly their 772ERs on!! 

With only 6 on order i'm not expecting any new routes. As the order book grows, I think we may even hear stronger suggestions as to where they'll fly the birds. The current 6 on order though would nicely facilitate increased capacity on routes to LHR, MAD, GRU, EZE, BOM, NRT and PVG.

AA1818



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15232 times:
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It sounds like the pilot contract is a barrier to ULH routes at the current time if I read the above posts correctly.

User currently offlinejpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15214 times:

I think DFW-SYD will become an AA route. It would be razor close if it would be able to operate nonstop. I don't think it makes sense for AA to enter the LAX-OZ market, but with ATI its more plausible, even something like AKL.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15108 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AA said they want to reach places they couldnt before, but with AA's conservativeness Im thinking they may just throw them on routes that could use more capacity without adding another flight like DFW-NRT or MIA-GRU.
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 7):
With only 6 on order i'm not expecting any new routes. As the order book grows, I think we may even hear stronger suggestions as to where they'll fly the birds. The current 6 on order though would nicely facilitate increased capacity on routes to LHR, MAD, GRU, EZE, BOM, NRT and PVG.

I keep my opinion that i should be used to not increase capacity but rahter, reduce costs and increase profitability on key routes. Instead of 4 B772 flying LHR-JFK, 3 daily with a new product.
Many will ask .. what to do with the slot ? That's a good question for a 772 or 763.

Same applies with MIA-GRU nowadays with 2 B772 1 B763 daily that need 4 B772 and 2 B763: Use 4 B77W to replace the 6 frames and launch something like MCO-GRU to compete with JJ or ORD-GRU to compete with UA.

The 772 could replace the 763 on routes where a key product is more desired, increasing also revenue on routes where a single 772 operation with reduced F cabin (why 16... 8 should be fine) would allow extra revenue (CDG, SCL, GIG).

This also allows some 763 to be used on routes where the 752 is not enough, or to replace some of the old 762 fleet.

In the end, extra revenue on new routes where it's not 100% sure profits will come, for me, it is just not the best use for such a plane with the (strong) capability to put AA into competitive advantage. It's easy to believe and mostly will agree that replacing 4 B772 with 3 B77W will not damage the "shuttle" to London, neither removing a 9:30 PM departure would damage the operation to Sao Paulo. These 2 are examples among the AA network where i believe there's more to do with the 77W.

Of course, some 772 heavy routes such as JFK-EZE, DFW-NRT, JFK-GRU, could be upgauged to 77W.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15042 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
DFW-SYD (possibly replacing or supplementing QF's service)

This is a 7700nm ESAD sector. If EK have passenger limitations on the about 400nm shorter DXB-LAX sector DFW-SYD is a non-starter in my view.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
Although I hope we'll at least get to see AA try MIA-JNB,

DL are TOW limited with the 77L JNB-ATL . I would think the 77W would be at more of a disadvantage with it's tire speed limitations and it's less favorable power to weight ratio. Again another non-starter in my view.
What is wrong with using it's extra capacity on JFK-LHR ?


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15002 times:

Whan is delivery expected for these birds? Or at least the first delivery, does anyone know?


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14941 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 12):
Whan is delivery expected for these birds? Or at least the first delivery, does anyone know?

The first two aircraft are scheduled for delivery in the fourth quarter of 2012.



Ryan / HKG
User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14954 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 11):
What is wrong with using it's extra capacity on JFK-LHR ?

Because it is such a short flight. It makes more sense to utilize the 77W on their longer routes.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 14755 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Thread starter):
I thought we can try and come up with a list of possible 77W routes AA will start when they recieve them? My guesses are:

MIA-CPT
LAX-HKG
LAX-SYD
Quoting jpetekYXMD80 (Reply 9):
I think DFW-SYD will become an AA route.

AA has stated, quite categorically, in a filing with the Australian government, that is has NO intention of flying it's own metal to Australia. It was in the joint QF/AA request for approval for a Trans Pacific joint venture, which has been approved by the Australian government, so any AA service to Australia would invalidate the JV, so it's NOT going to happen!!!!

Gemuser



DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 14471 times:

Why go to SYD and HKG when you have CX and QF to codeshare with? I would think they'll be placed on LHR routes. Perhaps the other routes I can see them are more XXX-PEK, XXX-Shanghai, XXX-GIG/GRU, and MAYBE XXX-DEL (where XXX denotes a hub).


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33276 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 14432 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
Quoting jonathanxxxx (Thread starter):
I thought we can try and come up with a list of possible 77W routes AA will start when they recieve them? My guesses are:

MIA-CPT
LAX-HKG
LAX-SYD
Quoting jpetekYXMD80 (Reply 9):
I think DFW-SYD will become an AA route.

AA has stated, quite categorically, in a filing with the Australian government, that is has NO intention of flying it's own metal to Australia. It was in the joint QF/AA request for approval for a Trans Pacific joint venture, which has been approved by the Australian government, so any AA service to Australia would invalidate the JV, so it's NOT going to happen!!!!

Gem user


In no way, shape or form will AA metal to Australia invalidate the JV. In fact, the JV makes the service more feasible, because AA and QF are going to be metal neutral to Australia.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 14304 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Why go to SYD and HKG when you have CX and QF to codeshare with?

Using that logic, why go to LHR when they have BA to codeshare with? Why go to MAD or NRT when they could just codeshare with IB or JL. I've never understood people who say AA shouldn't fly somewhere because their partner already does. DL didn't stop flying to CDG just because AF does.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
AA has stated, quite categorically, in a filing with the Australian government, that is has NO intention of flying it's own metal to Australia.

Can anyone tell me why AA would want a JV where it has no intent of ever operating the routes involved? Why not create a transpac JV similiar to the AA-BA venture that shares the profits of both carriers flying the routes?



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User currently onlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 14265 times:

HKG sounds like a distinct possibility -- DFW/ORD/LAX-HKG? Which would make the most sense?

CX is not a JV partner (or even a proposed JV partner) with AA, so I would see why AA would want to operate its own metal there.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
In no way, shape or form will AA metal to Australia invalidate the JV. In fact, the JV makes the service more feasible, because AA and QF are going to be metal neutral to Australia.

Of course it will! It is a pre-condition of the JV, as it is stated in the application and under Australian law making a "false declaration" in an application which it would be if AA commenced own metal services to Australia, would invalidate the application and therefore the approval. Of course they could amend their application or request a change after approval, but we would see that in advance.

As for the JV being metal neutral, do you have a source? There is absolutely no mention of that in the public documentation in their application, of course what's in the non public documentation is entirely another matter. Is there more detail in the USA DOT filing?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 14102 times:

Arpey is starting to talk about this:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...american-airlines-is-buying-a.html

I think MIA-JNB and ORD-BOM will be the first two routes announced. We shall see. I also expect more 77Ws in AA's non colors in a few years, well before the 787 flies JFK-LHR or whatever route is the first route.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11969 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 14077 times:

My personal predictions/hopes:

DFW-GRU (AA962/963)
DFW-HKG
DFW-NRT
ORD-BOM
ORD-HKG
MIA-EZE (AA943/900)
MIA-JNB

I realize there is way more than 6 airplanes worth of flying there, but I highly doubt AA is going to be done at 6 frames.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AA said they want to reach places they couldnt before, but with AA's conservativeness Im thinking they may just throw them on routes that could use more capacity without adding another flight like DFW-NRT or MIA-GRU.

  

A distinct possibility.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 8):
It sounds like the pilot contract is a barrier to ULH routes at the current time if I read the above posts correctly.

Let's hope the reports of a recent thawing between AMR and the APA are true - and the two sides can reach a mutually beneficial (and ratifiable) agreement soon.

[Edited 2011-06-21 17:02:26]

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 13990 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 21):
Arpey is starting to talk about this:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...american-airlines-is-buying-a.html

I think MIA-JNB and ORD-BOM will be the first two routes announced. We shall see. I also expect more 77Ws in AA's non colors in a few years, well before the 787 flies JFK-LHR or whatever route is the first route.

Well considering the interview contained the usual AA conservative-speak, I'm not holding my breath for JNB. However, the only bright spot in that interview was the mention of HKG.



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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

With CX starting ORD-KHG this September and CX dominating LAX/JFK to HKG, could DFW-HKG be in the works?

Also, could AA shock us and add ORD-ICN to beat out * and prevent KE form adding a 380 (like that would happen in the next 2 years)?


25 airbazar : EK's have a high density configuration. They carry at least 50 more pax than AA's 77W's will carry if you use BA as a guide.
26 GlobalCabotage : I think EK will start ORD-DXB someday, but we've heard this and talked about this for years. If it were to happen, it would have happend by now. But A
27 jpetekYXMD80 : That's the same way i've been thinking.. that DFW would be the most logical to HKG. And I definitely think HKG is a must for AA. So vitally important
28 MAH4546 : So, like I said, in no way, shape or form does it stop AA from flying to Australia, as you have confirmed. The fact that it might require modifying t
29 gemuser : And I'm pedantic! AA CANNOT CURRENTLY fly there OWN metal to Australia WITHOUT violating the JV approval. Happy now? IMHO this makes, as part of thei
30 MAH4546 : A JV is inherently metal neutral. Not being metal neutral is simply ATI. Doubt it. Forward looking statements are almost never binding in any jurisdi
31 SESGDL : Market potential is greater at JNB, in my opinion, as it is the premier city for business in South Africa and Southern Africa as a whole. Of course,
32 klkla : I think the first frames will be used from AA hubs to Tokyo to help fill the void left by Japan Airlines downsizing. Not only does AA have sizable O&a
33 gemuser : Ok, lets beat it to death! Web sites are not formal applications for government approval. We are not talking security law either. We are talking abou
34 MAH4546 : But I don't think, due to climate, that JNBMIA can be done non-stop on the return like a 744 can do. CPT is probably the smartest stopover. AA made i
35 incitatus : I will be very surprised if AA takes any of the first dozen 77Ws and sticks them into GRU or EZE where they will sit idle the whole day. More likely t
36 jpetekYXMD80 : That same tune is certainly not being sung by Tom Horton at the moment. They said that initially with the first 3, and I do expect that a new route o
37 LAXDESI : As per DOT data, AA has nearly 86% load factor on its ORD-DEL-ORD sectors, and it carries an average of 15,000 lbs. in freight daily. However, it has
38 incitatus : An aircraft with range to fly 16 hour segments is going to end up in 8 hour segments with 14 hours on the ground? Probably not.
39 jpetekYXMD80 : That's the drawback. If they do this, maybe they can do a daytime flight back like TAM does.
40 einsteinboricua : That's different. They have many frequencies from its hubs to and from LHR so it's like they ARE the dominant American carrier in the airport. For to
41 Byrdluvs747 : Its not really that different. AA wasnt created with all those frequencies to LHR. Over time AA had to build up its UK presence. They should be doing
42 Post contains links DFWEagle : The application with the U.S. DOT appeared to say that without approval of the JV, AA would not serve Australia on its own metal. This was to indicat
43 aerorobnz : LHR flights. It's slot restricted. I guarantee they'll only use them to destinations they can't gain more slots/flights at easily, but need the extra
44 flythere : Would really love to see the silver bullet coming to HKG!! It has been longed by many spotters here and we all puzzled why AA not start its own servic
45 jfk777 : JNB to ATL is 800 miles more JNB to MIA. A 777-300ER should be able to do Miami nonstop. DL does operate the 777LR, the Corvette 777 but the 77W is n
46 The777Man : I could see AA replace QF on of their two LAX-SYD routes so QF can start to retire the 744s. The JV with QF could always be amennded to allow for this
47 airbazar : What about MIA-JNB-SJU-MIA? They could use SJU rather than MIA as the inbound connecting hub then sell the seats left empty out of SJU.
48 jfk777 : They could but more traffic goes to MiAAmi, and the same connections could be offered.
49 jfk777 : Never going to happen, Sydney to LAX is the flagship pacific route for Qantas with 2 A380's daily. Its like AA saying to BA why don't you, BA, fly al
50 LAXdude1023 : Under metal neutrality, it wouldnt really matter from a revenue stand point. However, QF will always be flying to LAX just like BA will always fly to
51 airbazar : The point is they can't fly JNB-MIA non-stop so they have to stop somewhere. So even with the stop in SJU, if your final destination is MIA, there is
52 commavia : I don't see it. LAX-SYD is QF territory and even if there was a metal-neutral AA-QF ATI/JV, I don't see an economic or competitive need or justificat
53 IrishAyes : Agreed. I really do believe that the 77Ws are actually quite suitable to help "temper" AA's conservative nature by allowing them to expand into some
54 incitatus : And not a good point, because being in the US, passengers would have to haul out luggage, go through immigration and customs, and then re-board. JNB-
55 IrishAyes : Yes, SJU is pretty much irrelevant at this point to AA's going-forward strategy. Adding it to a new 77W route is entirely moot.
56 jfk777 : With Miami being 800 miles closer then ATL to JNB why are so many here convinced JNB to MIA not posssible with a 777-300ER nonstop ? Emirates flies al
57 jonathanxxxx : According to Great Circle Mapper JNB-JFK is 7,969 mi. While JNB-MIA Is 8,061 mi. The difference is 92 miles. Not much but SA can do it because the A34
58 AA777223 : Actually the 77W has a little MORE power than the 77L. In standard config, the 77L come with GE-90-110Bs, while the 77W come with GE-90-115Bs. The 77
59 Post contains images jonathanxxxx : Oh sorry by power I meant range lol I know difference sorry!
60 worldliner : I doubt we will see any new routes until the pilots agree something with AA, until then Its just extra capacity. I dont care aslong as I see one of th
61 AADC10 : Does their pilot's contract allow such things now? They were not able to operate DFW-PVG because of a pilots issue. Or was that all B.S. and they rea
62 DFWEagle : I would be very surprised (and disappointed!) indeed if a new pilot contract has not been reached by the time these aircraft start being delivered in
63 airbazar : Unless your final destination is a city other than MIA which would make the flight on AA a 2 stop route vs. 1 stop only via SJU. Lets say you're flyi
64 BOAC911 : A very warpped understanding of what airline alliances are about. Airlines, even in the same alliance compete with each other.
65 jfk777 : BOAC 911, the original comment on which my reponse is based is above about AA flying in place of Qantas on LAX to SYD. AA can fly a daily flight with
66 Post contains images klkla : Probably just trying to get employees excited. Range of 300ER is only a couple hundred miles more than 200ER. It just doesn't make sense for AA to op
67 LAXdude1023 : Before ATI, you would be absolutely right. However, now thats not the way it works. It doesnt matter who flies where, AA/BA/IB split everything. All
68 incitatus : Have you looked at what destinations AA has now from SJU to the US? And which ones would connect from an early morning inbound from JNB? Get over it.
69 MAH4546 : It is undoubtedly going to be used on current routes as well, but AA will be using that extra range to open up new routes. We should publicly know th
70 bonusonus : I'd like to see JFK-PEK or JFK-PVG. I think there is a decent market for these routes with only one other airline each flying out of JFK (Air China to
71 MAH4546 : Not a problem. Slots are ample in the 11AM-1PM time frame when JFK-Asia flights typically depart. The bigger problem might be slots at PEK or PVG. I
72 jfk777 : AA has more then enough slots at JFK, especially if the flights take off outside the "European Push" between 3 and 9PM. A flight to Peking or Shangha
73 IrishAyes : How is LAX-PVG looking on AA so far, and UA? Well, subject to pilot agreement
74 jfk777 : Its not that JFK to Peking is any shorter then DFW to PEK. IF they have tomake a deal with teh pilots from DFW, they will need to fro JFK too.
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