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User currently offlineJohnboy1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

I wonder if anyone could give me some info?
I shall be flying to Thailand from the UK...in a couple
of weeks, but by what people have been telling me i
shall be lucky to get there in 1 piece  Sad hehe
How safe are Aeroflot?...and what am i likely to be
flying on? a modern jet airliner i hope  Smile
thx for your time
jb

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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

You will be safe, don't worry.

If you are transfering via Shermetovo - keep cash reserve in the case of missing connection at SVO, because if you do, you will be on your own in regard to hotel accomodation. Keep in mind that you will have to declare the ammount of cash you have with you; they'll take it away and fine you on exit if they find you have more than what you notified them!

Also, don't carry any alcohol because it is very likely that it will be taken away from you even on transfer.

Well, let us know how it goes.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6484 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Aeroflot is fully capable of bringing you safely to your destination and back.

If they are allowed to do that!!!

When there is an alternative, then I would think twice before choosing what is considered the flag carrier of a country in the middle of a civil war. In the Caucasus region there are people who are desparate enough to worry less about your safety than you do. And who blow up things at random.

But if they hit Aeroflot, then they will most likely hit a domestic plane carrying few non-Russian pax in order not to spoil whatever goodwill they might enjoy abroad.

Terrorism is by far the greatest safety risk. But so far it hasn't hit Aeroflot, only other Russian airlines. Be prepared that the security checks may be more hefty than you are used to, and be glad that they are.

Have a pleasant journey.

Rgds, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

I am really getting tired of this topic coming up.

KUGN- How many times have you been searched at SVO? I have been there 6 times in the past few years and never had my bags opened.

Prebennorholm- Can you list the Russian ( non-Aeroflot) airliners that have been downed by terrorists?

Aeroflot is a fine airline, better I'd say then some of the western ones. Don't get all worked up into that "if its Russian it must be inferior and dangerous" way of thinking. I really hope topics like this will go away in the next few years.


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Which currency is the best to carry in Russia? I've heard German Marks or US Dollars. But wouldn't you just be better off with Russian Roubles?

User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

RedAirForce they might not have searched you for various reasons. The fact is that customs officers at SVO treat various nationals like dirt.

Just the yesterday, on departure SVO-FRA a passanger who happened to be an non Russuian Orthodox Priest was arrested for failing to declare $5000 and 550DM. According to the news, they have started criminal proceedings against him. (Source is not on English, but you may ask JAT to translate it for you if you care http://www.b92.net/archive/s/index.phtml?Y=2001&M=07&D=10#n006) This has not an isolated incedent.

Also, there have been many horror stories from pax arriving from Asia and continuing to third countries, about their treatment by Aeroflot personal and by customs officials at Sheremetovo 2.

You personally might get good treatment for whatever reason, but taking a step back, and looking at the picture on general level, transfer passangers still get better treatment on Western hubs, and Western airlines.

Sorry, but true, and we damn have the right to talk about all issues concerning air travel.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6484 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Dear RedAirForce,
No downings, only hijackings. Which always carry along a downing as a potential outcome. Or at least are discomfort brought to the extreme.
I did not pick specificly on Russia. I said: "choosing what is considered the flag carrier of a country in the middle of a civil war". Sadly Aeroflot fits into that basket.

End all civil wars - or all wars in the world, and many choises will be much easier.

When talking about downings, and your user name, then only KAL-006 jumps into my mind. But that was a different historical epoch. And it was probably one of several events which created the changes.

Rgds, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

KUGN- So, SVO is bad because they will prosecute people who try to smuggle currency? I don't know how many damn people you interviewed to make your conclusions, and you have the damn right to discuss what you want, but try to leave "Russian barbarian" models in the past. And damn discuss what you damn well want to. But I'll give my opinion when i damn want to also.But the "saftey of Russian airlines", etc. has been beaten to death in this forum.

Prennorholm - I fail to see what KAL 007 ( not 006) has to do with any modern commanalities with Aeroflot safety. And as for Russia being in the middle of a civil war, i think you need to rethink that position. Russia has a conflict in a small area of the nation. This is not the same situation as 1917-1924; to call both civil wars is not accurate.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6484 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

To add to KUHN's horror stories, I have heard of many people who have passed SVO without incident.

But once my cousin and her husband - grandparents in their fifties - attended a football (am: socker) match in Moscow against their native country Denmark. There were of course several hundred, maybe thousands, Danish spectators on charter flights to SVO for that match.

Upon departure from SVO a few hundred of them got locked up in one large room, with the excuse that their passports had to be scrutinized.

No service, not even a toilet. Knocking or kicking on the doors created no responce whatsoever. People - children, parents and grandparents - had to do what they had to do in the corners of the room. No indication about how long time it would last. It suddenly ended after three and a half hours. They got their passports and boarded their plane.

Even if such events may be rare, then the thoughts which create them are so far from the business class lounges and such, which we take for granted, that we are simply unable to relate to it.

But this has of course nothing with Aeroflot to do. And certainly not the new Aeroflot.

Anyway it is really strange - like landing on another planet, isn't it?

Rgds, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineJohnboy1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

ok guys!!!!!  Smile
Sorry to hit on such a "touchy " subject, i feel a little
easier...i think  Smile
It was stupid of me to think that...the 4th largest
airline in the world, would not implement a certain
degree of safety....my worries were more concerning
their maintenance record  Sad
They do have 1 don`t they?
Lets say...i would feel better knowing i was going
on a "777" or Iylusin 96.....than 1 of those Tupelovs..
or whatever their called  Big grin lol
thx for your time again chaps
jb


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6484 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

RedAirForce: "This is not the same situation as 1917-1924; to call both civil wars is not accurate.

During the 1917-1924 civil war millions were killed.
During the 1995-? civil war thousands have been killed.
The fact that a civil war seems a thousand times smaller i terms of casualty tally doesn't mean that we can ignore it. Especially not when it creates hijackings and we want to fly on airliners.

End all wars, and many choises will be much easier. This is a fact. I (and my native ancestors) have 153 years experience. And we are not going to act stupidly again. We have learned our lessons from our history.

Rgds, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Prebennorholm - Yes, Russia is just like landing on another planet! You really know your 'Rodina'. How many times have you been over? Must be many more then me since you know it so well..... The only place I have ever been searched is in Scandinavia by very polite, but stressed out, SAS persons.Its amazing how many of these horror stories, as you call them, are second hand, i.e., "I heard..." or "I was told..." etc.

Johnboy1- Perhaps you should do a little research before posting questions about "Tupelovs or whetever their called". Andrei Tupolev was one of the finest AC designers ever, producing AC for many years before we were born.

What upsets me is that you post with no background knowledge at all, and are just basing your fears on old models of Russians set up during the cold war. Russia is trying to get those old ideas outof the heads of westerners; difficult to do when people just make old assumptions. It would be like flying to Australia and being scared because you think all Australians are criminals; or flying Aer Lingus and assuming it would be full of booze because, after all, you know the Irish.... Old ideas die hard.





User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

PN- I am not saying to ignore Chechnya, but it is not a civil war. A civil war splits a nation, more or less, in two. Chechnya is a domestic disturbance. A serious one, yes, but nowhere akin to the real Russian civil war of 1917-1924 9 not that this is a real approptiate topic for this forum). yes, there has been air piracy, but there has been this type of activity in many countries without internal conflict. Hijackings do not mean there is a civil war; just too great of a leap of terminology.

User currently offlineJohnboy1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4558 times:

Ooops sorry 2 offend u Red
I admit my homework was "Bad" to say the least.
Yeah its true that old habits die hard " skoda "
as an example....much better these days, my backround on Tupelovs was based on ignorence...
my apologises  Smile
To be quite honest...i would sooner fly on an Iylusin 96
than on an airbus A310...but is my homework letting
me down again?
jb


User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4560 times:

The cash declaration is not only a SVO thing, also on all land border-crossing points evrybody older than 16 needs to fill a customs declaration, you even have to declare your cellphone there!

Zulu Alpha


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4551 times:

To answer the original question, most likely you will be on the IL-96. It is a very modern and safe aircraft.
Read more about it in the 'Aircraft Data & History' section.

Enjoy your flight!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRW774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4550 times:

Isn't the Topic an oxymoron ?  Big thumbs up

rw774477


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6484 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4550 times:

Dear Johnboy1, I wish you a pleasant trip. Now you should be well prepared.

One thing which you won't see, however, is RedAirForce and me agreeing upon the importance of the Chechenya conflict, now and in the future. What I see as a terrible cancer on Russia's belly, RedAirForce sees as something smaller. Only future will tell who is right, and even if I don't believe it, then I certainly hope that he is right. But 99.99....% sure this has no relevance to your trip to Thailand.

Just one more piece of info: Should you choose to make a stopover at SVO, then be prepared that the Russian people generally are among the kindest and most generous people in the world.

Rgds, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4551 times:

Too much passion do we put into russian related topics, don't we? I wonder why is it allways this way.

The fact that I need to declare cash value I care would make me think twice about using that country as transfer point. The treatment foreigners get at SVO is substandard, and no heated argument will change such facts or sentiments. True, it takes years to change impressions on global level, but that is the way things are.

Do I think of someone carrying $5000 being a smuggler? No. Countries like Russia could use their resources to catch much bigger and important fish to fry, rather than intimidate foreign tourists or transfer pax on their way out. Such experiances stay around for very good reason.

And finally, hijakings don't necessarely mean there is a civil war, but in countries with civil war they are much more likely to happen.


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4536 times:

Actually, if you're carrying more than $10,000 in cash into the United States, you must declare it when going through customs as well. There is an amount you're required to declare in almost every country in the world.

If it makes a difference, my worst customs experience was at LGW.


User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

KUGN wrote:
" The treatment foreigners get at SVO is substandard, and no heated argument will change such facts..."

No, that is your opinion. I disagree. Opinons are not facts.

You have to declare cash value in most countries, a fact ( not an opinion, just to show you the difference) pointed out by other posters to this thread. Why is Russia more vigilant about this rule? Well, the economic situation there is more severe then in other European nations and the movement of cash of more importance. Thus, yes, for Russia, trying to illegally bring in or out $5000 in cash, is a major crime. You think that people get poor treatment at SVO? Well, if they are breaking the law they deserve it! My friend was held at SVO for 7 hours back in 1999. But he deserved it as he was trying to leave with some WWII medals.


User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

RedForce, what about Prebennorholm's cosins - what was their crime? That is only one of the examples of poor, substandard treatment that random passangers might receive at SVO? Those people, like many others were kept for three hours just because some uniformed personal felt like that on that day.

When things like that happen, you get snowball effects of horror stories. The ones that had hard time because they broke the law get bundled with these who just had bad luck to get mistreated.

And that is fact.

Transfer pax at SVO get poor treatment by officials in contrast with treatment transfer pax get at Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Heathrow, etc.

This has nothing to do with Aeroflot, but if Aeroflot really cared, they'd mount some pressure for changes. This is not enviroment to grow business of transferring hard currency paying passangers.


User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Just to let you know:

When you arrive at SVO you are given a Customs declaration which says:

Pople who give wrong info about their assets (which are necessary to declare) will be prosecuted. So this is no surprise that that priest got cought.

KUGN:

I was flying through SVO on Aeroflot and there was a problem with the aircraft. All the passengers got thair accomodation at Novotel hotel at the airport.

As for the Sheremetyevo customs, they got their "black" glory at the time when hundreds thousands Jews were leaving to Israel. At that time I have to admit horrible things happened at the customs. As for now I guess everything will go smooth.
Just fill everything into the declaration
:your watch, CD player, jewellery and all other things that have value.

Johnboy: you will surely get there at one piece. However it will be funny if you ...


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

It is the responsibility of every person visiting a foreign country to understand the
laws and customs of that country. If you break the law, you will be punished according to
those laws. If there is a law about currency in Russia, obey it! You expect Russian people
to obey the laws of your country.

Hundreds of people every day travel through Thailand, Singapore, Dubai etc. on their way
from Europe to Australia. Nobody seems to think it strange that if you are found with a
certain type of fine, white powder, you are likely to be given a "Mandatory death sentence"
as is stated in those little cards the cabin staff hand out before landing....

No such barbaric punishment in Russia.

Hijacking?? You always bring that one up, Preben! Let's just say that the goold ol' land
of the brave and home of the free U.S.of.A has about a thousand times more (and more
well equiped) enemies than Russia. The recent hijacking of the Vnukovo TU5 was 100% the
fault of Istanbul Airport. Don't fly to Asia with Turkish Airlines via IST, hey??

I simply can't believe the absolute lack of substance in the anti-Russian argument!

I have travelled extensively in the former USSR and Eastern Europe, aswell as many other
parts of the world and I have *NEVER* had a bad experience travelling to the East. (That
is 101 flight-segments and 33 separate trips). However, I have been treated like a piece
of self-loading-cargo and worse in Paris CDG, Philadelphia and Amsterdam just to name a
few. Telling the customs officials at Philadelphia: "I'm only here from London for one day
to go to a party" is the same as saying "I'm Osama Bin Laden and I have a present for you".

Let's hope you will be travelling on a lovely new IL-96! It's a modern, safe, comforable
and reliable aircraft. By the way, those Tupolev things or whatever you call them are rather
nice too. Just about as outdated as some 727s flying quite legitimately on the 'other side'.

What makes something a 'classic' or just a 'piece of junk' depends on your brainwashing.



User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Ben

I think it is high time that you drop your attitude on this issue and stop bringing up facts to support your argument. It doesn't make it quite as interesting as to hear the uninformed childish arguments as what other people have presented.

And I am in agreeance with what you say about Preben. For the most part his arguments have some relevance, except when it comes to Russia and the so-called civil war. Preben...when was the last time an airliner was hijacked in Moscow by Chechen rebels or sympathisers. From my memory, the most recent events have been the responsibility of foreign authorities, or the events have occurred in Dagestan; a small republic which borders Chechnya, and is being destabilised by the Chechen terrorists.

You have more chance of having an in-flight incident after the English soccer fans leave Denmark, than what you will in flying within Russia.

Heya Ben....look out in your email in the next day. Have been snowed under with email and am slowly getting to them.


25 Post contains images Rajno1 : What's the difference between Aeroflot and a scud missile? Aeroflot kills more people...... Was that childish enough for you?
26 Il-96lover : Correct me if I´m wrong, but afaik you dont´t even need a customs decleration when you are only changing planes at SVO.
27 KUGN : As a point of refference, when I used LHR, AMS, FRA and MUN I did not have to fill any declarations, as I stayed in international area; in Copenhagen
28 Il-96lover : KUGN: No, if you switch Aircrafts in SVO 2 from one international flight to another international flight you don´t have to go thru customs as anywher
29 KUGN : Ok, that explains things a bit. Thanks for the info. $500 is still pretty low, but there is no point arguing the law of the land here. It still makes
30 Prebennorholm : We compare rules and such. There are certain rules all over which must be obeyed to. The big difference is the attitude when rules are broken, not bec
31 RIX : Even if you transfer from SVO1 to SVO2 you don't have to pass the customs - at least, I didn't during my trip to the former USSR a year ago (as I wrot
32 Prebennorholm : Dear RIX, When I wrote "people in Russia being the kindest and most generous", then I should probably have been more specific and excluded officials.
33 RedAirForce : P You really need to get in touch with reality. It's great when people in nations like Denmark (no offense to other Danes, but its where you hail from
34 Prebennorholm : Dear RedAirForce, as I told Johnboy1 yesterday you and I will never agree. It hasn't changed since yesterday, I disagree with everything which you wro
35 Turbolet : Ppl, this is getting too much for me. First of all Johnboy1: Skoda is a Czech car manufacturing plant, and apart from the fact that Czechoslovakia and
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