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F9 Pulling Out Of ATW?  
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Heard a rumor today that F9 may be pulling out of ATW. While I hope this is not true, the problem with ATW I feel is not with ATW itself as the ATW flights are doing well, but with the fact that F9 is doing bad in MKE and the flights that ATW feeds are not doing so well. Without the feed ATW can't work since there is no need for O and D to MKE from ATW.

So my question becomes, does someone step up and fill the void? The DL flights are always packed to both MSP and DTW and these passengers are all the high yielding business type as well for the most part. UA from ORD has more of a mix, but they still attract the high yielding crowd. The obvious choice for someone to move in would be MQ, to feed AA in ORD. I could also see UA maybe trying CLE, as a way to move east coast pax and have them avoid ORD. Given merger mania lately though, there really is no one else that would be able to do it. Assuming MQ doesn't come in, the only legacy carrier left is US, and I don't see this happening at all even with ZW being based in ATW.

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4073 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Yeah I think it was announced a while ago and is indeed true.

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Yes, F9 is pulling out of the ATW-MKE market this fall. It is an extremely poor performer among the short MKE segments. They are also eliminating BDL for performance reasons.


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User currently offlineMikeFromMKE From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Why keep ATW when they have expanded offerings from GRB? It is only a 43 minute drive between the two and they can save costs by serving one station instead of two.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting MikeFromMKE (Reply 3):
Why keep ATW when they have expanded offerings from GRB? It is only a 43 minute drive between the two and they can save costs by serving one station instead of two.

ATW has lower costs than GRB, the passengers are generally higher yielding, and by leaving ATW, the pax aren't going to go to GRB, they are going to go to DL and UA. Also by your logic, ATW is a 40 minute drive from GRB, but ATW can capture pax from a lot more locations than GRB, especially OshKosh, Neenah, Menasha, Waupaca...etc.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6791 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 2):
They are also eliminating BDL for performance reasons.

MKE-SDF non-stop is also done, though they will sell you a connection via DEN.


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

ATW is the place where YX originally started up over 25 years ago, so its pretty disappointing to have such a historical route get axed. On top of that F9 is also ending MKE-SDF/BDL. Those two routes were already part of the YX cutbacks in 2008, but once Republic took over they were reinstated. Does anyone think that, if financial conditions improve, ATW might be a good candidate to see a return of service? Speaking of MKE-SDF,I remember back in the day when YX used to send the B1900 on that route. Yikes, that must've been a looong flight to be on such a tiny prop plane, especially with no bathroom!  Wow!


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User currently offlineMikeFromMKE From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
the passengers are generally higher yielding

Apparently not high-yielding enough though.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 6):
Does anyone think that, if financial conditions improve, ATW might be a good candidate to see a return of service?

This I wouldn't doubt. I'd like to see F9 expand to the smaller midwestern markets where WN won't be on their back at every turn.


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