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OAG Changes 6/24/2011:AA/B6/DL/F9/NK/UA/US/WN  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7047 posts, RR: 13
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING IN A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*". I had a few technical problems this time, so if you see something strange it might be a data problem...

7I SJU-PUJ JUL 0.6>0.5

9K ACK-HYA NOV 15>16 DEC 15>16 JAN 15>16
9K BOS-PVC NOV 6>3 DEC 6>3 JAN 6>3 FEB 6>4
9K HPN-MVY JAN 0.3>0.0

AA DFW-GDL NOV 4>3 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2 FEB 5>3
AA DFW-MTJ DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.8>1.0
AA DFW-TRC NOV 1.5>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>3
*AA LAX-SAL AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
AA MIA-NAS AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 9>10

AC LAS-YQR JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0

These reverse some of last week's changes...
AM LAX-GDL AUG 2>3
AM ONT-GDL AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0
AM ORD-MTY JUL 0.9>0.5 SEP 0.1>1.0 OCT 0.7>1.0

B6 JFK-AUA SEP 1.6>1.8
B6 JFK-AUS AUG 2>3
B6 JFK-BOS SEP 6>7
B6 JFK-BUF AUG 8>9 SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
B6 JFK-LAX SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5
B6 JFK-ORD OCT 2>3
B6 JFK-SFO SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3
B6 MCO-BOG NOV 0.8>1.0
B6 MCO-SJU DEC 6>7 JAN 0.6>0.8

CO EWR-DEN AUG 5>6
CO EWR-NRT NOV 1.0>0.9
CO EWR-PAP SEP 1.0>0.4
CO FLL-MHH JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
CO PBI-MHH JUL 1.0>1.9 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>3
CO SFO-CLE NOV 1.1>2.0 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.0>3

*DL ATL-AVP SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
DL ATL-BCN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-CSG OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 5>6
DL ATL-EWN OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3
DL ATL-GSO SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>10
DL ATL-GUA NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 2>1.5
DL ATL-ILM OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 7>8
DL ATL-LIT SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>10
DL ATL-MDT SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>6
*DL ATL-MSL JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 3>0
DL ATL-MSP OCT 12>11 NOV 12>11 DEC 12>11 JAN 12>11 FEB 13>12
DL ATL-SDF OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 8>9
*DL ATL-TLV NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL ATL-TRI OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>10
DL ATL-VPS SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
DL CVG-ATL SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
*DL CVG-YUL AUG 0.9>0.4 SEP 0.1>0
DL DTW-ATL SEP 10>9
DL DTW-CHA SEP 1.1>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.8 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9
DL DTW-OKC OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3
DL DTW-PBI SEP 1.0>0.2
DL DTW-RSW SEP 2.0>1.2 OCT 3>2
DL DTW-XNA SEP 1.7>1.1 OCT 1.7>1.0 NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.7>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.8>1.0
DL DTW-YHZ SEP 0.2>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL JFK-ATH NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-GEO OCT 0.6>0.4
DL JFK-IST NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-NCE NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
DL JFK-PRG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-VCE NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
*DL JFK-YHZ NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*DL MEM-MSL JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3
*DL MSP-RHI SEP 3>0.4 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 3>0
*DL MSP-SNA SEP 2.0>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 1.0>0.6
DL SLC-EKO NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL SLC-IAH SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL SLC-ORD SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL SLC-PIH OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
DL SLC-SUN OCT 5>4 NOV 5>3 DEC 6>4 JAN 7>5 FEB 8>6
DL SLC-TWF OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 5>4
DL SLC-YVR SEP 1.9>2
DL SPN-NRT OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2

Gone?
*F9 DEN-BOI SEP 1.9>0.7 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.0>0
F9 DEN-GRB SEP 0.4>0.2
F9 DEN-PHF SEP 0.6>0.2
F9 DEN-SBA JAN 0.4>0.3
Seaonally Gone?
F9 DEN-TPA AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0.5
F9 DEN-TUS SEP 1.8>1.2
WOW! YX ancestral home
F9 MKE-ATW SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 0.7>0
*F9 MKE-BDL SEP 1.7>0.6 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-SDF SEP 1.7>0.6 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0

FI JFK-KEF FEB 0.9>1.0

IB MIA-MAD NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.2 FEB 1.0>1.2

JJ JFK-GIG AUG 0.7>0.8 SEP 0.7>0.9 OCT 0.7>0.9 NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.8 FEB 0.8>0.9

K5 BOI-IDA JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
K5 PDT-PDX AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4

*LA LAX-SCL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3

LH ATL-FRA DEC 1.0>0.8
LH BOS-MUC DEC 0.9>0.7
LH DFW-FRA FEB 0.9>0.8
LH EWR-FRA DEC 2>1.8
LH EWR-MUC JAN 1.0>0.9
LH IAD-FRA FEB 1.0>0.9
LH IAD-MUC DEC 0.7>0.5 JAN 0.7>0.5
LH IAH-FRA DEC 1.0>0.9
LH JFK-FRA DEC 2>1.9
LH JFK-MUC JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
LH LAX-MUC DEC 0.7>0.5 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.6
LH ORD-MUC DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
LH PHL-FRA DEC 0.7>0.5
LH SFO-MUC DEC 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9

LY JFK-TLV SEP 2>1.8

NK DTW-CUN NOV 0.1>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.8
*NK DTW-LAX SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*NK LAS-PDX OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3

SY MSP-LIR FEB 0>0.1

TN LAX-CDG NOV 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.5

TP EWR-LIS OCT 1.0>0.8

*UA DEN-MEX OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.1>0
UA IAD-HSV NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.8
*UA LAX-JAC JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
UA SFO-MCO DEC 1.0>2
UA SFO-PSP NOV 4>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5 FEB 4>6

US PHL-PUJ DEC 1.1>1.2
US PHX-KOA SEP 0.8>0.7

VX LAX-SEA OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4

*WN BOS-BWI NOV 8>7 DEC 8>6
WN BWI-FLL DEC 5>4
*WN DEN-MKE SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*WN MKE-STL SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9

YV HNL-ITO JUL 4>5
YV ITO-HNL JUL 4>5

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9635 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-ORD OCT 2>3

Revenge for NK's ORD-LGA?



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9610 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-BOI SEP 1.9>0.7 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.0>0

seasonal from last year, so should be expected.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9523 times:

Lots of day-of-week reductions across the Atlantic in general. I'm surprised at some of the cuts from LH: e.g. IAD-FRA going less than daily.


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9504 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3

Wow...that's a huge upswing for OKC...great news.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MSL JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-MSL JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3

Odd. I know this is SF340 flying, and that NW used to fly MEM-MSL for many years, but is there a reason why DL would shift this from ATL to MEM? Is it to consolidate all remaining DL SF340 flying in the southern U.S. at MEM?


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Is it to consolidate all remaining DL SF340 flying in the southern U.S. at MEM?

Without looking at the schedules, that would be my guess. As the Saab fleet shrinks, it makes the most sense to consolidate it down.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DTW-LAX SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

Wow... this is surprising.. I believe it will go DTW-LAS-LAX now. They have done this route for a long time



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 7):
Wow... this is surprising.. I believe it will go DTW-LAS-LAX now. They have done this route for a long time

I wonder if in the long run they plan on shifting any flight from DTW to ORD?


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN DEN-MKE SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*WN MKE-STL SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9

This seems like a very low number of flights for WN to start a route!? (especially when you think that none of these airports are slot constrained!)

Could these be take-over routes from FL?


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9151 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN DEN-MKE SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*WN MKE-STL SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9

This seems like a very low number of flights for WN to start a route!? (especially when you think that none of these airports are slot constrained!)

Could these be take-over routes from FL?

I agree that DEN-MKE looks like it might be a first set of take overs:
DEN-MKE 1x day on FL
DEN-STL 2x daily on FL* (OO)


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 9):
This seems like a very low number of flights for WN to start a route!? (especially when you think that none of these airports are slot constrained!)

Could these be take-over routes from FL?
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 10):
I agree that DEN-MKE looks like it might be a first set of take overs:
DEN-MKE 1x day on FL
DEN-STL 2x daily on FL* (OO)

Yes, Southwest announced last week that they would be replacing the OO flying on MKE-STL as well as adding a flight alongside FL on MKE-DEN. All of the flying OO does for FL at MKE will be gone this fall.


User currently onlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*WN BOS-BWI NOV 8>7 DEC 8>6

This one I find curious. This tells me that most of the WN traffic on this route out of BOS is connecting, especially given they are not going to attract the business pax with all the DCA flights, and the IAD flights out of BOS. You wonder if BWI may be pulled down a bit even more in the future for ATL, or other places where they could get more O and D.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*WN DEN-MKE SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*WN MKE-STL SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9

Well, MKE-DEN could be a strike against F9 trying to hit them while they are down. As for STL, I am a bit surprised, but given this, look for AA to pull the plug on the Connection route soon if they haven't already.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

B6 JFK-AUA SEP 1.6>1.8
B6 JFK-AUS AUG 2>3
B6 JFK-BOS SEP 6>7
B6 JFK-BUF AUG 8>9 SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
B6 JFK-LAX SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5
B6 JFK-ORD OCT 2>3
B6 JFK-SFO SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3
B6 MCO-BOG NOV 0.8>1.0
B6 MCO-SJU DEC 6>7 JAN 0.6>0.8

They are quietly adding frequency to a lot of the major transcon routes, and a couple of other places as well. Given added freq on both SFO and JFK, do not expect AA to take this lying down.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*F9 DEN-BOI SEP 1.9>0.7 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.0>0
F9 DEN-GRB SEP 0.4>0.2
F9 DEN-PHF SEP 0.6>0.2
F9 DEN-SBA JAN 0.4>0.3
Seaonally Gone?
F9 DEN-TPA AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0.5
F9 DEN-TUS SEP 1.8>1.2
WOW! YX ancestral home
F9 MKE-ATW SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 0.7>0
*F9 MKE-BDL SEP 1.7>0.6 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-SDF SEP 1.7>0.6 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0

Many of the DEN cuts are seasonal. ATW in my opinion is a huge mistake, and the reason ATW is going away is because of what is happening in MKE. Without the capacity in MKE to most other F9 destinations, ATW just can't work. ATW is a bigger market than most people think, and I see flights that are always full, and these aren't low yielding leisure travelers either, so I am wondering if anyone may ramp up service. There is plenty of counter space if AA wants to try something with MQ. I don't think US will try even though ZW is HQ'ed in ATW. The last option could be with the merger, UA ramping up service to either CLE or EWR. They did try DEN and it didn't work though.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9079 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*WN BOS-BWI NOV 8>7 DEC 8>6

so where does this market stand now, between B6, WN/FL and whoever else?


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 10):
I agree that DEN-MKE looks like it might be a first set of take overs:
DEN-MKE 1x day on FL
DEN-STL 2x daily on FL* (OO)

They did a press release last week IIRC. WN adds one DEN-MKE and FL keeps their existing DEN-MKE flight, and WN adds two DEN-STL flights replacing the OO/FL* service. They also announced two daily mainline FL flights between MKE & DSM as well as MKE & CAK.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Gone?
*F9 DEN-BOI SEP 1.9>0.7 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.0>0

From the online schedule, it looks like the last departure from BOI is the morning of 9/12 (from the previous night's RON).

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Is it to consolidate all remaining DL SF340 flying in the southern U.S. at MEM?

I was puzzled by that, too, but your explanation makes sense.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-LAX SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5
B6 JFK-SFO SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3

It is VERY unusual for B6 to increase transcon flying in the fall. I wonder if they're trying to hasten VX's demise.

Quoting apodino (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*WN BOS-BWI NOV 8>7 DEC 8>6

This one I find curious. This tells me that most of the WN traffic on this route out of BOS is connecting, especially given they are not going to attract the business pax with all the DCA flights, and the IAD flights out of BOS. You wonder if BWI may be pulled down a bit even more in the future for ATL, or other places where they could get more O and D.

I just see it as rationalization now that they're flying the route against their own subsidiary; I see the enlarged WN offering 10-14 daily flights between BOS and BWI as the route systems are merged. The market sees a very respectable 1700-2300 PDEW (depending on season).

[Edited 2011-06-23 12:20:33]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-NCE NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0

Amazing NCE is being totally dropped instead of a seasonal cut to less than daily service. An old Pan Am route that's been in constant service since sometime in the 1980s or early 1990s(?), and recently upgauged to the 764 with the new lie-flat seats in J.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6586 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
mazing NCE is being totally dropped instead of a seasonal cut to less than daily service. An old Pan Am route that's been in constant service since sometime in the 1980s or early 1990s(?), and recently upgauged to the 764 with the new lie-flat seats in J.

I'm betting this is only a seasonal cut for the low period in January/February.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW! YX ancestral home
F9 MKE-ATW SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 0.7>0

But not really that big of a deal. Heck, the Atchison, Topeka, and Sanfa Fe has long since left Atchison, Topeka, AND Santa Fe.   (And yes, I know they are now BNSF.)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX LAX-SEA OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4

Cool.

-Dave



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User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8744 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LH ATL-FRA DEC 1.0>0.8
LH DFW-FRA FEB 0.9>0.8
LH IAD-FRA FEB 1.0>0.9
LH IAH-FRA DEC 1.0>0.9
LH PHL-FRA DEC 0.7>0.5

Whats happening to LH ? DFW, IAH, IAD and PHL now have less than a daily service to FRA ? Unbelieveable..


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
Whats happening to LH ? DFW, IAH, IAD and PHL now have less than a daily service to FRA ? Unbelieveable..

LH and US codeshare on PHL-FRA. Same goes for LH/UA (CO) and IAD/IAH-FRA.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
old Pan Am route that's been in constant service since sometime in the 1980s or early 1990s(?

It was stopped after 9/11 for a bit (like many other DL transatlantic flights at that time). The current fuel situation did this one in for the low winter period. I am glad they managed to keep it around for November and December though, unlike many others (TXL, CPH, ARN,, etc.)

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
I'm betting this is only a seasonal cut for the low period in January/February.

It's suspended from Jan 9 (after the holiday rush) and resumes March 24 2012.


User currently offlinehjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
Whats happening to LH ? DFW, IAH, IAD and PHL now have less than a daily service to FRA ? Unbelieveable..

ATL, DFW, and PHL are LH's weakest North American markets, they historically have always been as well. Hence they receive no 1st class cabin and are flown in 2-class layouts. Canadian cities are also weaker on premium demand, hence the reason ex-FRA some don't get the first class cabins either.

Does anyone know if DTW-AMS on DL will stay 4x daily through the winter? This summer capacity was slightly reduced as one frequency was axed, yet 1 flight was upguaged to 744 as apposed to being offered on an A333.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8592 times:
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Quoting hjulicher (Reply 21):
Does anyone know if DTW-AMS on DL will stay 4x daily through the winter?

I believe DTW-AMS has always been reduced for the winter. It will be 3x this winter, all A333s, similar to last year.


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

Quoting SATexan (Reply 18):
Whats happening to LH ? DFW, IAH, IAD and PHL now have less than a daily service to FRA ? Unbelieveable..

Remember that in the case of UACO they are under the JV, so I would imagine to cities like IAH and IAD they are each doing day of week departure cancelations while ensuring they both have a customer offering daily to FRA.
For example, UA would do M,T, W, Th, F, Sun and LH would do M, W, Th, Sat
This reduces seats in the market but since *A still has a daily option they all win. And on the days they have highest demand they have double-daily.
That only addresses the *A hub scenarios. For the outstations like DFW, they lose the flights on non-peak days.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7047 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Revenge for NK's ORD-LGA?

Possibly, but I doubt they would have known in advance.

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-BOI SEP 1.9>0.7 OCT 1.6>0 NOV 1.0>0
seasonal from last year, so should be expected.

I didn't realize that, although with F9's big fleet reduction it will be interesting to see what is able to come back.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
Lots of day-of-week reductions across the Atlantic in general. I'm surprised at some of the cuts from LH: e.g. IAD-FRA going less than daily.

Atlantic must be awful.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Odd. I know this is SF340 flying, and that NW used to fly MEM-MSL for many years, but is there a reason why DL would shift this from ATL to MEM?

The answer is easy. I think it was in the quarterly call. To avoid gumming up ATL, they are moving smaller A/C elsewhere. They flew MSP-TOL rather than ATL-TOL for the same reason. MSL will probably follow the same pattern as TOL.

Quoting nkops (Reply 7):
Wow... this is surprising.. I believe it will go DTW-LAS-LAX now. They have done this route for a long time

It has been seasonal before, expect it back in March.

Quoting apodino (Reply 12):
This one I find curious. This tells me that most of the WN traffic on this route out of BOS is connecting
Quoting tharanga (Reply 13):
so where does this market stand now, between B6, WN/FL and whoever else?

FL+WN have too many trips in BOS-BWI.

Quoting apodino (Reply 12):
They are quietly adding frequency to a lot of the major transcon routes
Quoting ScottB (Reply 14):
It is VERY unusual for B6 to increase transcon flying in the fall. I wonder if they're trying to hasten VX's demise.

B6's business plan is to pressure VX and AA (their partner, ironically).

Quoting steex (Reply 11):
Without the capacity in MKE to most other F9 destinations, ATW just can't work.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 17):
But not really that big of a deal. Heck, the Atchison, Topeka, and Sanfa Fe has long since left Atchison, Topeka, AND Santa Fe.   (And yes, I know they are now BNSF.)

Very true. More will collapse for the same reason. Still sad...


25 Atrude777 : American already shut down the hub in STL April of 2010, and Connection has been gone for over a year since then. Right now only F9 and FL/OO fly STL
26 Humberside : Notable increase IMO. But why? I thought CLE could potentially get downgraded from a hub as the UA/CO integration continues. Surely a more O&D fo
27 ScottB : Except SFO is a UA hub, so more flying to other hubs is to be expected.
28 MikeFromMKE : If it was a direct attack at F9, they would have done it at more than 1x daily. This is just to connect more MKE passengers with their Western market
29 LHUSA : For LH it just looks like these are just the scheduled winter reductions they do for random days in the winter (Christmas and expected low demand day
30 MAH4546 : MKE doesn't use slots, just like all but seven U.S. airports.
31 enilria : I agree. More hub service is bad, if anything. The more CLE traffic goes via another hub, the less is left for spokes. I assumed that referred to MKE
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : This is entirely to rationalize the Saab fleet. There are only about ~15 left in service. For the past month or two, 2x daily ATL-MSL had been the on
33 SCL767 : I'm glad that LA will operate SCL-LAX-SCL non-stop twice weekly for the high season. LA will deploy the A343 on the route too!
34 skoker : This isn't surprising. Delta took what was 3xCRJ and 1xERJ 2 years ago to now 4xCR9 and 2xCRJ and slashed prices. JFK-BUF-JFK was B6's flagship route
35 MikeFromMKE : That's exactly what I meant.
36 kgaiflyer : Not a problem. WS can handle the situation.
37 FL787 : It's worth noting that MEM-MSL becomes 2x CRJ in September so if this move is simply to rationalize the Saabs perhaps we'll see MSL move back to ATL
38 SATexan : It is surprising to hear that DFW has historically been weak for LH. Until a few years ago, LH was the best and in some cases the only option to Euro
39 GlobalCabotage : ATI for BA/AA is hurting LH in DFW. KL is pulling out of DFW for the winter, and possibly more accoring to some blogs here in Dallas. LH did well in D
40 Drerx7 : Absolutely. Continental in the past has sent its euro widebodies to heavy xmas vfr traffic to Mexico/Central America. 767/777 to MEX/SJO/GUA etc. for
41 mke717spotter : I already posted this in one of the other threads, but those two routes were already part of the YX cutbacks in 2008 and once Republic took over they
42 slcdeltarumd11 : JFK to BUF is usually barely long enough to use Internet. By the time they reach 10000 feet it's almost time to turn off all electronic devices lol. S
43 Post contains links and images izbtmnhd : Logic? We don't need no stinkin' logic when guessing about the demise of CLE!!!! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/print.main?id=50
44 CXA330300 : Strange...I was under the impression that this route was not a "star performer."
45 fun2fly : CLE had 4x daily to LAX pre-merger and probably an average of 1.5 SFO daily. The new SFO flights are adding 240+ pax a day. The previous flights took
46 BoeingGuy : I didn't know they left Topeka. Doesn't BNSF still go there on the ex-ATSF line? As you know the Santa Fe branch still exists; they just sold it to a
47 laca773 : This makes sense since JV have come into play now. However for those who prefer LH over UA and US, one has to pay attention to make sure they are on
48 Blueman87 : Why is this route being cut everytime i am on it or my parents are on it its Full[Edited 2011-06-23 18:51:08]
49 SANFan : Wow! And VX just keeps on pouring on the pressure and keeps making headlines with almost uncontrolled expansion and growth! Yawn... bb
50 USAirALB : No CLT reduction this winter?[Edited 2011-06-23 19:44:30]
51 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Yep, my bad. Topeka is still part of the network. I should have remembered due to the shops there. -Dave
52 panamair : Have you been on it say between Jan 15 and Mar 15? Here are the NCE load factors as reported to DOT for Jan-Mar 2010: JFK-NCE: Jan: 59.6% Feb: 60.5%
53 ghYHZ : Is this the end of Delta at YHZ? ATL-YHZ is back again on summer Saturdays as well as daily DTW-YHZ for the summer but it appears the year-round JFK-
54 Blueman87 : ok so it goes seasonal
55 izbtmnhd : I have to agree with you. The DEN/SFO-CLE expansion feels like a move to better utilize CLE, not close it. Time will tell.
56 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yup. Couple that with the fact that they are now forced to park on the remote pad behind E because all DCI gates in Atlanta have getways. But more-so
57 Drerx7 : This is not related to that - this is the annual Christmas cuts.
58 steex : That's what the OP essentially shows - that they've cut it through February. It almost certainly will return again in Summer 2012, but schedules are
59 FutureUScapt : As I mentioned in the F9 thread, F9 will also be discontinuing its DEN-PHF flights after 11Sep.
60 Flyguy89 : I would not look at increases in hub-to-hub flying as indications of anything.
61 smoot4208 : I'm surprised that route lasted that long. Interestingly it went from an E190 to an A318 to an A320 (A319 on Wed) before now getting axed.
62 izbtmnhd : Considering the route has never really been operated 3x daily I'd say it's a bit more than nothing. We'll see.
63 enilria : The fact it goes to CRJs takes away the argument that moving it to MEM has something to do with SF3s. There will be less connecting flow in MEM so it
64 apodino : I disagree with you on this one. ATW gained the MEM flight on DL, and I don't think they bankrolled it, and also convinced Allegiant to move from GRB
65 enilria : My comment was not directed specifically at ATW, but in general the major carriers are slowly moving capacity out of cities of ATW's size. I don't th
66 SCL767 : LP LIM-MIA DEC 1.7>1.9 JAN 1.7>1.9 FEB 1.7>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.9 APR 1.7>1.9
67 mariner : Gone? BOI didn't operate last winter, nor did GRB and PHF is going seasonal. And as I mentioned in the Frontier thread, DEN-PHF is slated to return i
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