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A318neo Purchases At Paris?  
User currently offlineUA191 From Canada, joined Apr 2010, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7765 times:

Any A318neo purchases at Paris so far?
I haven't heard anything about an A318neo at all since the neo program was launched.


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User currently offlineGingerSnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7755 times:

There won't be a NEO equivalent of the A318 AFAIK.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8496 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7755 times:
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the A318 uses a different engine then the A319/320/321, so its doubtful there will be an A318neo.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
the A318 uses a different engine then the A319/320/321, so its doubtful there will be an A318neo.

The A318 uses either the (originally sole intention) PW 6000 or the (later offered) CFM56 - almost the exact same engine as on the A319/20/21. I believe most A318 operators have gone for the CFM engine.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7564 times:

I can't imagine any reason for Airbus to bother with an A318 NEO when it has just sold out three years of production capacity in a couple of months with the higher-volume variants. (And the A319 NEO even seems to me like a sort of dumb move, although they did attract an order from Republic.)

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months ago) and read 7539 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 3):
The A318 uses either the (originally sole intention) PW 6000

LAN was the launch customer for the PW6000 for the 15 A318 a/c that LAN took delivery of a few years ago. However, the PW6000 missed its targeted fuel burn consumption. Thus, the A318s are now being phased out of LAN's fleet.


User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

With the fact that leasing companies have scrapped 2 year old A318's because they are worth more as parts than as flying aircraft, I doubt you will see an A318NEO. Who would want them?

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

Quoting trigged (Reply 6):
With the fact that leasing companies have scrapped 2 year old A318's because they are worth more as parts than as flying aircraft, I doubt you will see an A318NEO. Who would want them?

Luckily LAN was able to offload their 15 A318s to AV, four have already left LAN's fleet.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 3):
The A318 uses either the (originally sole intention) PW 6000

LAN was the launch customer for the PW6000 for the 15 A318 a/c that LAN took delivery of a few years ago. However, the PW6000 missed its targeted fuel burn consumption. Thus, the A318s are now being phased out of LAN's fleet.



As far as I know LAN remains the only airline customer for the PW6000. Also a very small number of A318CJ corporate jets. P&W must have lost a fortune on development of the PW6000.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
As far as I know LAN remains the only airline customer for the PW6000.

LAN already phased out four A318s to AV Brasil and LAN's remaining 11 A318s are also going to AV Brasil. By 2013, LAN will no longer operate the A318 a/c.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

If I had the money I'd buy a hundred of them.   

I have no idea why they aren't as popular as they should be. If you remember years ago airlines were talking about the great need for 100 seater aircraft.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
I have no idea why they aren't as popular as they should be. If you remember years ago airlines were talking about the great need for 100 seater aircraft.

The A318 is too heavy for its capacity. If you only need 100-seat aircraft, there are more efficient options. That's also why only 69 737-600s were built.


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

I must confess to having a totally irrational soft spot for the A318 - I've always liked the short, fat, stumpy aircraft types........A318. 737-5 and 6, 767-200, 747 SP and 727-100. I imagine a mock up ofa n A318 NEO would look pretty cool but probably makes absolutely no sense in real world aviation.

Perhaps an A318 ACJ with winglets one day...who knows.


User currently offlines4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
I have no idea why they aren't as popular as they should be. If you remember years ago airlines were talking about the great need for 100 seater aircraft.

E-jets are a much better option for that market.


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

I think the 318ACJ - NEO would make a perfect business jet.

The Babybus will look kinda funny with 2,5 m sharklets thou..

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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting UA191 (Thread starter):
I haven't heard anything about an A318neo at all since the neo program was launched.

That's because the A318neo wasn't ever launched. The new engines will only find their way to the 319, 320 and 321.

Quoting s4popo (Reply 13):
E-jets are a much better option for that market.

E190/E195, CRJ1000, CS100: all are more suitable for the 100 seat market.


User currently offlineflyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

I am not aware of Airbus pursuing an A318neo. This is a niche market, and I am sure they know this. They have too much competition on the lower end (Bombardier Cseries, Embraer 170/190).

IMO it is not worth the effort to put any resources into such a programme which would not really yield any satisfying returns.



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User currently offlineflywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6108 times:
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Do you think the A318 will continue to be offered for the forseable future, or will Airbus likely phase it out soon? I can't see any more airline orders coming through for the type, so will any CJ orders be worth keeping it going?

User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 14):
The Babybus will look kinda funny with 2,5 m sharklets thou..

Hopefully someone can 'photoshop' that for us!!! I'd love to see it!


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4040 times:

Quoting flywrite (Reply 17):
Do you think the A318 will continue to be offered for the forseable future, or will Airbus likely phase it out soon?

The A318 is built on the same line as the 319/320/321, using most of the same parts. There's no reason why Airbus can't continue to offer it. It's just like the 737-600 and the 767-200ER. For instance, the 767-200ER is built on the same line as the 767-300, but for years Boeing didn't sell any because the -300ER is simply more efficient than the -200ER. However a few years ago Continental came along and said we want ten of them - Boeing said 'no problem'!


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting flywrite (Reply 17):
Do you think the A318 will continue to be offered for the forseable future, or will Airbus likely phase it out soon? I can't see any more airline orders coming through for the type, so will any CJ orders be worth keeping it going?

There is no need to phase it out. As long as its bigger brothers are made, the A318 can be made, it's the same line, and most of the parts are the same. Same thing for the A340 (and the 736).



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting UA191 (Thread starter):

I haven't heard anything about an A318neo at all since the neo program was launched.

JL mentioned they might look at the idea...but it didn't seem much more than just lip service....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...fer-neo-version-of-a318-leahy.html

Quote:
"Airbus may look at offering its new engine option on the A318 in the future, but has decided to focus on the A319, A320 and A321 for now because these models represent its 'core market'.

Speaking to ATI today, Airbus chief operating officer for customers John Leahy said the manufacturer 'at a later date may look at the A318', but the model has been left out at this stage to concentrate on its core products."


As stated in Reply 4, given the high order intake for its NEO siblings, it's highly unlikely that Airbus would go to the trouble and expense of developing and certificating an A318NEO.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
P&W must have lost a fortune on development of the PW6000.

Hopefully, they could recoup that loss from PW6000-core based GTF engines they could sell. Judging by the show stats, they might need to look more towards the CSeries and MRJ to achieve this... and certainly not an A318NEO.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 14):
I think the 318ACJ - NEO would make a perfect business jet.

Being already over-engineered, such may not require the additional structural weight mentioned in the article. However, it stands that whatever efficiency gain a NEO brings is better coupled to an optimised airframe. Having said that, the combination does intrigue.  



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

An A318NEO could make a formidable VIP jet, but the certification costs may not be worth the 20-30 frames or so that Airbus would sell. Or at least not for now. And we can safely assume that there will be no more airline A318 orders except niche applications like BA's LCY flight, so selling business jets is all that's left for the A318.

Anyone know if it's planned to install winglets on the A318? I'd assume yes, as nothing seems to speak against it.


User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

There is no A318 neo announced. Do you think airbus will ever make an aircraftkf this size again?


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User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2829 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
I have no idea why they aren't as popular as they should be. If you remember years ago airlines were talking about the great need for 100 seater aircraft.

Planes that size are simply not viable at that seat count, and the current price of fuel.

Quoting s4popo (Reply 13):

E-jets are a much better option for that market.

The E-190s are death at the current price of fuel.

Go take a look at F9 in the states. The baby buses and embraers are dragging them under.


25 Viscount724 : Not sure but I would doubt it. Probably not enough aircraft to justify the certification costs, much like the 737-600 which hasn't been certified for
26 gigneil : Just so we're clear, the CFM56 offered for the 318 is precisely the same bill of materials as every other model of the series. NS
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