Kevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3497 times:
Nigerian parlament has finally made its decision for the acquisition of the new presidential aircraft. Positive.
5.5 billions nayra (48.71 mln US$).
Since his inauguration in May 1999 , Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo has made 53 foreign trips (I guess this is the biggest money spending chapter in the country's budget ).
What airplane you think he will buy. He has 50 millions. I don't think he will go for a Gulfstream or Learjet.
BBJ or A319CJ.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
I would not count out a Tu-204 or Tu-214 for Obasanjo.
Nigeria and Russia have signed a lot of agreements to do with oil, aviation and other issues, and if the Russian's do this right, they have a prime opportunity to snag such a deal. Just a shame they didn't seize on this opportunity whilst Obasanjo was in Moscow, only recently.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
More than half of the country is in poverty, in spite of Nigeria being one of the worlds' biggest oil exporters, and this guy wants to buy himself a nice new BBJ (or something bigger). He should be happy with a KingAir and earn the rest.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3126 times:
>I can't believe that though<
And you shouldn't either. There's no such thing as an A340-400, last I heard.
There are ways of getting the money back, which involves proving that the money was stolen. A number of countries have done so in the past. Yes, it's time consuming, but you can't expect the Swiss to maintain their reputation for sure banking if they gave away your fortune at the first sight of an accusation.
The Nigerians shouldn't have let him steal the money in the first place anyway.
In any case, that's hardly an excuse. Nigeria could have been as rich as South Africa, if not more, had their corruption not siphoned off everything.
This plane is a good example. It is not a productive asset, and costs the same as the average annual salaries of 50,000 Nigerians.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3041 times:
Every year Air International Magazine puts out listings of all of the world's Air Forces, their squadrons, equipment, etc.
It's funny...and kinda pathetic....that more often than not some of the poorest countries in the world are equipped with large VIP air wings with huge jetliners for their leaders.
And its' not just poor countries....The New Yorker magazine reported in 1999 about the grumblings in Brunei over the astronomical sums of money the Sultan and his immeadiate family were blowing through....including the purchase of the ultimate VIP transport....a fresh off-the-line 747-400.(Which has since been traded in for an A340 if I'm not mistaken).
KUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3023 times:
Well, Nigeria holds prestigeous rank of being #1 on list of most corrupted countries in the world.
Did anyone had a chance to read a 1999 Time article about Nigeria's Y2K solution? They didn't need one, because state of chaos is normal in their society. Nothing runs on time, there is virutally no automation, and no one expects any quality output.
There is little wonder why countries under dictatorships have starving masses, virtually no human rights, poor state of healthcare, while state of the art huge VIP jets, expensive special edition vehicles and other million dollar gadgets.
Ned Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2998 times:
Has anyone seen the "fly on the wall" airport documentry about Lagos Airport on the Discovery Wings Channel? If the rest of the country is run along similar lines to the way the airport is run, then in my opinion some of the remarks made above about Nigeria are not too far off the mark.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
"It's a shame that nobody has got anything good to say about Nigeria. Doesn't anyone realise that Nigeria is changing rapidly for the better?"
I know a lot of Nigerians and I´m quite close to the theme. Nigeria is changing for the better, that´s true, but to say "rapidly" is too much said. Corruption is - and will - still be a major factor of every business done with that country for years to come. That "worm" has gone too deep into the society over there and the difference between rich and poor is so great that I don´t believe in a rapid change unfortunately.
Of course this has to be said about many other (and not only) African states.
Fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
Thank you for the reference, Mls515; the account is chilling to say the least. True, Nigeria has a fascinating cultural and ethnic diversity, and its artistic and ethnological heritage is well worth studying, and I applaud the American student for his interest. However, I am sure the Nigerian student would find many uses for the $450 his US counterpart wants to spend on a native drum - the $450 is probably close to what the average Nigerian earns in a year. With all the misery, human rights violations, and abject socioeconomic inequity in Nigeria, I feel that matters such as what kind of aircraft the head of state should purchase with his stolen money are, at best, trivial.
The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
The Onion Point/Counterpoint article is somewhat suspicious to my mind. Bitek Okoye obviously doesn't live in Lagos otherwise he'd know that there are no more executions on Bar Beach in Victoria Island - and there haven't been any such executions there for at least 15 years.
Armed robbers are shot at Kirikiri prison; the rest are hung!
: The Onion is an online parody of current topics. It's not meant to be any more serious than Mad TV or SNL... The fact that anyone would think the arti
: LOL!!!!!!!!!! I never thought anyone would take the article serious! Yes the Onion is a joke! It's making fun of idealistic intellectual wannabe colle
: Ah, a new presidential jet...our foreign-aid dollars at work!
: Great, he'll buy an A380 while his people live in squalor.
: This has been a great thread with people expressing opinions on a country's government of which they know nothing about. Most of you will think of Nig
: Nigeria does not need a Big plane. The money should be placed in Education and Health Care. The country needs Democracy. They should take exemple of m
: What is George Bush doing flying around in a 747 when over 30% of Americans don't have access to basic healthcare? Every country in the world has faul
: I think the BBJ would do just fine. Maybe a 727, but not a 747-just wouldn't look right with el presidente. -Notar520AC
: Parra- What is George Bush doing flying around in a 747 when over 30% of Americans don't have access to basic healthcare? The 747 was there when he go
: Para- President Bush didn't "order" it for himself, rather, it is a flying command post. It is not a symbol of "presitge", rather a ncessity for a lea
: To our foreign friends... The reason we have a 747 as Air Force One is to fly the President up front and all the reporters who hate him in the back. I