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Vision Pulls Out Of A Few Cities  
User currently offlinedavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Vision...he-prnews-1129022087.html?x=0&.v=1

Effective July 17....ceases service to a handful of cities include HSV, GSP.

Good move for them. When you are new and presumably limited on funds you can't stick around and hope loads will come one day.

Now let's start the guessing of where they will redeploy those assets. Of course I'm hoping for GSO ECP....

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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Better to cut cities that are not making money and redeploy your, planes then to burn through your cash reserves.


Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offlineflyboi4life From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

This is sad to see but will be exciting to see what new cities V2 will serve... I wonder what's going to happen with the LAS flight out of BTR. I presume they will just make that flight 4x weekly nonstop from VPS.


The sky is my limit
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Quoting flyboi4life (Reply 2):

This is sad to see but will be exciting to see what new cities V2 will serve...

I could see some Midwestern cities added to the mix.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

With WN having bought FL, one would think that Vision would stay in the nitch they are used to. Adding new cities in times where fuel is high and other airlines have service how are they going to make a profile. All the cities they are pulling service are smaller airports. CAE spent millions of dollars trying to get WN in there and WN chose not to service CAE wonder why. But instead went to GSP and CHS where both stations are doing fantastic. Passenger traffic is up over 30% at both GSP and CHS. GSP is one of the cities were VIsion started service and failed to generate traffic. The old phrase THE SOUTHWEST EFFECT is slowly showing in both GSP and CHS. It is only a matter of time before WN completes its buyout of FL and I would almost bet that there will be more smaller cities that WN will serve in the southeast.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

BTR was always iffy in my mind because it's really not that far of a drive to VPS...figure 4.5 hours, tops, and mostly all interstate. Probably the closest city to VPS that should be served is ATL...it's a 6 hour drive and much of that is non-interstate through the heart of Alabama. I'm sure LFT won't be around much longer...just a hunch.

User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Could hey pull out of St. Pete? I think traffic is good but are they having a tough time with G4 or is it mainly WN? As long as they maintain service to ATL they'll be good. After all, traffic to connection cities is what makes up most of their profit.


From the airport with love
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

Quoting davidlc3 (Thread starter):
Quoting davidlc3 (Thread starter):
Quoting davidlc3 (Thread starter):
Good move for them. When you are new and presumably limited on funds you can't stick around and hope loads will come one day.

Agreed, hopefully they can recover and research some good markets to serve but it is hard this day and age with southwest and and allegiant dominating the low cost, vacation sector. Good luck Vision, your gonna need it



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User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

I wonder if they would give GYY a try.


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting flyboi4life (Reply 2):
I wonder what's going to happen with the LAS flight out of BTR. I presume they will just make that flight 4x weekly nonstop from VPS.

Looking on their website, you can't even book BTR from LAS anymore (even if you wanted to fly before July 17) After July 17, VPS-LAS is still only showing as operating twice weekly.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 8):

I wonder if they would give GYY a try.

They should. When I lived in NW Indiana, I would say that at least half of my fellow high school classmate friends went to the Destin/Fort Walton Beach area for spring break. (I never did, nor did I understand what the fuss was all about.)

Incredibly, a lot of these students and their families drove to the Florida panhandle despite the day-long drive each way. Even more incredibly, although this was in a relatively wealthy part of "the region", the fares from ORD, MDW, and SBN to VPS/ECP were considered too high. Flying wasn't worth the extra expense when compared to a couple of tanks of gas in the ol' Expedition. If V2 offers a fare that's competitive with driving, I could see people flying from NW Indiana to VPS instead.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Some of these markets made no sense to begin with. BTR, as another poster pointed out, is too close by car. SAV is plenty close enough already to many beachfront resort areas. GSP is only three hours from the beaches near Charleston, and CAE even closer (and like Savannah, neither area has much of a traditional tie to the Redneck Riviera). And they were never going to succeed in HSV given both its proximity to VPS and the fact they were using the Dorniers exclusively there.

IMHO, their best bet is to connect VPS to markets that are much farther away and which don't have easy access by auto to other attractive beach destinations. It wouldn't surprise me to see them do well in places like LIT and SHV (markets with a longstanding traditional tie to the northwest Florida beaches), at least in peak season, and in a market like STL. (It gets cold in Destin in the winter, though, which makes me wonder how they are going to sustain this concept year-round.)

[Edited 2011-06-25 14:35:16]

User currently offlineBraniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

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Vision Airlines to suspend service in several US cities
Posted: Jun 24, 2011 3:54 PM PDT
Updated: Jun 24, 2011 4:25 PM PDT
By Nisreen Hajaj - email
BATON ROUGE, LA (KSLA) - After operating only for a few months in the market, Vision Airlines is suspending service in Baton Rouge effective July 15th. The airline also plans to discontinue service in several other U.S. cities, including Spartanburg, Columbia, Savanna.

A representative for Vision Airlines said that all the affected cities have already been notified, and that Shreveport has not been notified. Still, Shreveport Airport Authority spokesman Mark Crawford says the airline is expected to issue a statement early Saturday morning.

Crawford says Shreveport is one of Vision Airline's best-performing cities. They airline currently operates in 24 cities and Shreveport ranks in the top five. "Vision flights in and out of Shreveport have been at an average 89% load factor, compared to 63% average for all of Vision's flights for the rest of the country," says Crawford.

Vision Airlines currently offers service in Shreveport to and from Destin, Chattanooga, Orlando, and Little Rock.

Copyright 2011 KSLA-TV. All rights reserved.


This is from KSLA news in SHV.



Living large in KSHV
User currently offlinefoxtrot2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

The market to and from VPS is low. The market to all other leisure cities that RBY flies to is higher than VPS (take a look at the load factors). Vision will not last long doing a hub operation out of VPS, once the 2 year agreement of waived airport fees is up then they will be pulling out. VPS is only a seasonal beach area with no demand in the fall/winter and no demand for business travelers.The incentive programs that RBY is offering to fly into VPS is unreal (fly to VPS and book a package = receive a $200 visa gift card). If you have to offer incentives like this during the spring/summer season then demand is low. I have even heard that some routes that were scheduled for a 737 are now using a Dornier. Keep VPS as a small spoke seasonal city and use other aiports such as PIE/SFB/LAS/ATL as your hub airport if they want to continue a hub operation system. I wish Vision the best, and I hope they are making plans to change how they operate!

User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 925 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3961 times:
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So, V2 and G4 are pulling out of SAV? Cue WN.

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 14):
So, V2 and G4 are pulling out of SAV? Cue WN.

V2, G4, and FL couldn't make SAV work. And with WN in CHS, I would learn to admire the outstanding service provided by the legacies at SAV


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 15):
And with WN in CHS, I would learn to admire the outstanding service provided by the legacies at SAV

Only if by outstanding, you mean mostly crappy RJ's with disgruntled, under-paid regional employees with absolutely no allegiance to the said legacy carrier.

G4 and V2 failed at SAV because of extremely poor route planning. FL failed because they didn't have the resources to sustain DL's capacity dumping on the SAV-ATL route. WN won't have those problems. I expect someday we'll see WN in SAV, though it will be a while until after the integration with FL is complete.

Quoting foxtrot2 (Reply 13):
Keep VPS as a small spoke seasonal city and use other aiports such as PIE/SFB/LAS/ATL as your hub airport if they want to continue a hub operation system.

I agree and I think that's where V2 is headed. When they release their winter schedule, I bet you'll see few flights to VPS.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Well, I'd been begging for some idea of how Vision is doing at GSP, and by golly, I guess I got my answer! Bad timing I guess. Another poster said GSP is much closer to the SC beaches, and that's true. But they're completely different types of beaches from the Emerald Coast. I guess the flying market to Destin & environs just isn't there at GSP.


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Vision seems to be following the Allegiant of entering and quickly leaving a market if it does not develop. This type of attitude asks cities not to take air service for granted.

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 18):
This type of attitude asks cities not to take air service for granted.

It also tells them not to throw and subsidy their way.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17):
Well, I'd been begging for some idea of how Vision is doing at GSP, and by golly, I guess I got my answer! Bad timing I guess. Another poster said GSP is much closer to the SC beaches, and that's true. But they're completely different types of beaches from the Emerald Coast. I guess the flying market to Destin & environs just isn't there at GSP.

There's also a lot of GSP-Florida capacity already in the market (and more up the road at AVL), and while northwest Florida is not nearly the same as MCO, TPA and FLL, those destinations have more awareness and are served by carriers that are either more entrenched in the market (G4) or better known (WN).


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 1):
Better to cut cities that are not making money and redeploy your, planes then to burn through your cash reserves.
Quoting davidlc3 (Thread starter):
Good move for them.
Quoting foxtrot2 (Reply 13):
The market to and from VPS is low.

Better not to enter cities with no passengers to VPS! They need a new strategy. VPS is too small.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting GizmoNC (Reply 4):
one would think that Vision would stay in the niche they are used to.

What niche lol? Vision has been IMO basically looking for a long lasting identity since their inception out of VGT. Also if they do come up with a plan, it seems apparent they lack in doing their research of viability. The places they picked seemed marginal at a time of low cost fuel, let alone as they are now.
Anyway, I think any airport 'lucky' enough to land Vision should not plan on them for over a year.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 22):
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 22):
Anyway, I think any airport 'lucky' enough to land Vision should not plan on them for over a year.

Its just finding what works, of course before they enter a new airport they should not waste the cities time and dollar. They should express interest with that airport and I think the airport should help Vision establish their routes from that say airport. That is how G4 exploded in growth at the Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport in Arizona. The airport put out surveys of what cities people would like to see air service from.

I believe if a small airport hungry for air service should help younger airlines like Vision, because together the airport and airline are winners if the planes are full of PAX



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlineusafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I live in FWB / VPS area.

I think this was a very risky move for Vision to set up a home/hub here.

Yes the beaches are some of the best in the world (yes the world--the sand is like white sugar cane).

However, there is a fall/winter season here from about Oct till March.

During that time period you can forget the beach--it is freezing with winds whipping off the Gulf Coast/ocean.

Destin is a ghose town during that time...

I can't imagine what type of traffic their studies show as supporting profitable operatings here.

Most outbound travelers are going to ATL on DL, or TX on CO (conncetion flights), then on to their final destinations.

Good luck to them---I think it was very very risky financially to set up at VPS....


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