flyboi4life From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7267 times:
This is sad to see but will be exciting to see what new cities V2 will serve... I wonder what's going to happen with the LAS flight out of BTR. I presume they will just make that flight 4x weekly nonstop from VPS.
GizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 303 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7169 times:
With WN having bought FL, one would think that Vision would stay in the nitch they are used to. Adding new cities in times where fuel is high and other airlines have service how are they going to make a profile. All the cities they are pulling service are smaller airports. CAE spent millions of dollars trying to get WN in there and WN chose not to service CAE wonder why. But instead went to GSP and CHS where both stations are doing fantastic. Passenger traffic is up over 30% at both GSP and CHS. GSP is one of the cities were VIsion started service and failed to generate traffic. The old phrase THE SOUTHWEST EFFECT is slowly showing in both GSP and CHS. It is only a matter of time before WN completes its buyout of FL and I would almost bet that there will be more smaller cities that WN will serve in the southeast.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6924 times:
BTR was always iffy in my mind because it's really not that far of a drive to VPS...figure 4.5 hours, tops, and mostly all interstate. Probably the closest city to VPS that should be served is ATL...it's a 6 hour drive and much of that is non-interstate through the heart of Alabama. I'm sure LFT won't be around much longer...just a hunch.
goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6526 times:
Could hey pull out of St. Pete? I think traffic is good but are they having a tough time with G4 or is it mainly WN? As long as they maintain service to ATL they'll be good. After all, traffic to connection cities is what makes up most of their profit.
Quoting davidlc3 (Thread starter): Good move for them. When you are new and presumably limited on funds you can't stick around and hope loads will come one day.
Agreed, hopefully they can recover and research some good markets to serve but it is hard this day and age with southwest and and allegiant dominating the low cost, vacation sector. Good luck Vision, your gonna need it
They should. When I lived in NW Indiana, I would say that at least half of my fellow high school classmate friends went to the Destin/Fort Walton Beach area for spring break. (I never did, nor did I understand what the fuss was all about.)
Incredibly, a lot of these students and their families drove to the Florida panhandle despite the day-long drive each way. Even more incredibly, although this was in a relatively wealthy part of "the region", the fares from ORD, MDW, and SBN to VPS/ECP were considered too high. Flying wasn't worth the extra expense when compared to a couple of tanks of gas in the ol' Expedition. If V2 offers a fare that's competitive with driving, I could see people flying from NW Indiana to VPS instead.
I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 916 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5680 times:
Some of these markets made no sense to begin with. BTR, as another poster pointed out, is too close by car. SAV is plenty close enough already to many beachfront resort areas. GSP is only three hours from the beaches near Charleston, and CAE even closer (and like Savannah, neither area has much of a traditional tie to the Redneck Riviera). And they were never going to succeed in HSV given both its proximity to VPS and the fact they were using the Dorniers exclusively there.
IMHO, their best bet is to connect VPS to markets that are much farther away and which don't have easy access by auto to other attractive beach destinations. It wouldn't surprise me to see them do well in places like LIT and SHV (markets with a longstanding traditional tie to the northwest Florida beaches), at least in peak season, and in a market like STL. (It gets cold in Destin in the winter, though, which makes me wonder how they are going to sustain this concept year-round.)
Braniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 130 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5559 times:
Vision Airlines to suspend service in several US cities
Posted: Jun 24, 2011 3:54 PM PDT
Updated: Jun 24, 2011 4:25 PM PDT
By Nisreen Hajaj - email
BATON ROUGE, LA (KSLA) - After operating only for a few months in the market, Vision Airlines is suspending service in Baton Rouge effective July 15th. The airline also plans to discontinue service in several other U.S. cities, including Spartanburg, Columbia, Savanna.
A representative for Vision Airlines said that all the affected cities have already been notified, and that Shreveport has not been notified. Still, Shreveport Airport Authority spokesman Mark Crawford says the airline is expected to issue a statement early Saturday morning.
Crawford says Shreveport is one of Vision Airline's best-performing cities. They airline currently operates in 24 cities and Shreveport ranks in the top five. "Vision flights in and out of Shreveport have been at an average 89% load factor, compared to 63% average for all of Vision's flights for the rest of the country," says Crawford.
Vision Airlines currently offers service in Shreveport to and from Destin, Chattanooga, Orlando, and Little Rock.
foxtrot2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4825 times:
The market to and from VPS is low. The market to all other leisure cities that RBY flies to is higher than VPS (take a look at the load factors). Vision will not last long doing a hub operation out of VPS, once the 2 year agreement of waived airport fees is up then they will be pulling out. VPS is only a seasonal beach area with no demand in the fall/winter and no demand for business travelers.The incentive programs that RBY is offering to fly into VPS is unreal (fly to VPS and book a package = receive a $200 visa gift card). If you have to offer incentives like this during the spring/summer season then demand is low. I have even heard that some routes that were scheduled for a 737 are now using a Dornier. Keep VPS as a small spoke seasonal city and use other aiports such as PIE/SFB/LAS/ATL as your hub airport if they want to continue a hub operation system. I wish Vision the best, and I hope they are making plans to change how they operate!
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6297 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3090 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 15): And with WN in CHS, I would learn to admire the outstanding service provided by the legacies at SAV
Only if by outstanding, you mean mostly crappy RJ's with disgruntled, under-paid regional employees with absolutely no allegiance to the said legacy carrier.
G4 and V2 failed at SAV because of extremely poor route planning. FL failed because they didn't have the resources to sustain DL's capacity dumping on the SAV-ATL route. WN won't have those problems. I expect someday we'll see WN in SAV, though it will be a while until after the integration with FL is complete.
Quoting foxtrot2 (Reply 13): Keep VPS as a small spoke seasonal city and use other aiports such as PIE/SFB/LAS/ATL as your hub airport if they want to continue a hub operation system.
I agree and I think that's where V2 is headed. When they release their winter schedule, I bet you'll see few flights to VPS.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2838 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
Well, I'd been begging for some idea of how Vision is doing at GSP, and by golly, I guess I got my answer! Bad timing I guess. Another poster said GSP is much closer to the SC beaches, and that's true. But they're completely different types of beaches from the Emerald Coast. I guess the flying market to Destin & environs just isn't there at GSP.
AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 916 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2666 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17): Well, I'd been begging for some idea of how Vision is doing at GSP, and by golly, I guess I got my answer! Bad timing I guess. Another poster said GSP is much closer to the SC beaches, and that's true. But they're completely different types of beaches from the Emerald Coast. I guess the flying market to Destin & environs just isn't there at GSP.
There's also a lot of GSP-Florida capacity already in the market (and more up the road at AVL), and while northwest Florida is not nearly the same as MCO, TPA and FLL, those destinations have more awareness and are served by carriers that are either more entrenched in the market (G4) or better known (WN).
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
Quoting GizmoNC (Reply 4): one would think that Vision would stay in the niche they are used to.
What niche lol? Vision has been IMO basically looking for a long lasting identity since their inception out of VGT. Also if they do come up with a plan, it seems apparent they lack in doing their research of viability. The places they picked seemed marginal at a time of low cost fuel, let alone as they are now.
Anyway, I think any airport 'lucky' enough to land Vision should not plan on them for over a year.
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 22): Anyway, I think any airport 'lucky' enough to land Vision should not plan on them for over a year.
Its just finding what works, of course before they enter a new airport they should not waste the cities time and dollar. They should express interest with that airport and I think the airport should help Vision establish their routes from that say airport. That is how G4 exploded in growth at the Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport in Arizona. The airport put out surveys of what cities people would like to see air service from.
I believe if a small airport hungry for air service should help younger airlines like Vision, because together the airport and airline are winners if the planes are full of PAX