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Lufthansa To Start Frankfurt-Aberdeen 3x Daily  
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19198 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

"German national carrier Lufthansa is to inaugurate a three times daily service to the Scottish city of Aberdeen from its Frankfurt hub. The flights will commence on October 30 at the start of the Northern Winter schedules and will be operated using a two-class, 100-seat Embraer 190 of one its regional partners."

Source: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...troduce-aberdeen-a-frankfurt-link/

I remember one of LH's partners operating FRA-BRS 2x or 3x daily. Alas, doesn't exist nowadays.

Will be good to see how FRA-ABZ performs.

[Edited 2011-06-27 08:09:06]


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User currently offlineairevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 873 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

Hopefully only one of several new destinations or frequency upgrades we can expect with the new runway open in FRA and the additional capacity...


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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

I wish LH would come to GLA....who does GLA have for connecting to Europe & Worldwide? BA and KL...?

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Quoting airevents (Reply 1):
Hopefully only one of several new destinations or frequency upgrades we can expect with the new runway open in FRA and the additional capacity...

I´m actually expecting a route Hamburg to the Hull area in the next one to two years - it appears that the offshore wind traffic will really start to pick up in the coming months, and with Gamesa, REpower, Areva, Nordex etc having their offshore headquarters or at least important branch offices in Hamburg a link towards the UK offshore wind market will come into play sooner or later.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

I'm sure this route launch in to try and take a slice of the highly profitable Oil Industry connecting traffic from ABZ..

User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

I'm suprised to see LH equipment on that route. I would have thought that BD could take over this operation as they do with MAN and BHX.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 5):
I would have thought that BD could take over this operation as they do with MAN and BHX.

They don't have anything in between an A319 and an ERJ-145 though. Shame, because as bmi regional's home base is ABZ it would be an ideal route for them if they had an ERJ-190 or similar - would be no need to nightstop as whoever the Lufthansa Regional airline operating the route will have to do



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
They don't have anything in between an A319 and an ERJ-145 though. Shame, because as bmi regional's home base is ABZ it would be an ideal route for them if they had an ERJ-190 or similar - would be no need to nightstop as whoever the Lufthansa Regional airline operating the route will have to do

can't the E145 do it?

the schedule is loaded to the GDS as follows:

LH/CL 970 FRA 07:55 ABZ 09:00 E90 0 1234567 02:05 1 - 30 Oct 24 Mar
LH/CL 972 FRA 16:00 ABZ 17:05 E90 0 1234567 02:05 1 - 30 Oct 24 Mar
LH/CL 974 FRA 21:25 ABZ 22:30 E90 0 1234567 02:05 1 - 30 Oct 23 Dec

LH/CL 975 ABZ 06:00 FRA 08:55 E90 0 1---567 01:55 - 1 31 Oct 24 Dec
LH/CL 975 ABZ 06:05 FRA 09:00 E90 0 -234--- 01:55 - 1 01 Nov 22 Mar
LH/CL 971 ABZ 09:40 FRA 12:35 E90 0 1-34-67 01:55 - 1 30 Oct 24 Mar
LH/CL 971 ABZ 09:45 FRA 12:40 E90 0 -2--5-- 01:55 - 1 01 Nov 23 Mar
LH/CL 973 ABZ 17:40 FRA 20:35 E90 0 1234567 01:55 - 1 30 Oct 24 Mar


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):
can't the E145 do it?

Yes, but perhaps LH want more capacity than an ERJ-145, but less than an A319



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User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

I wonder if we will now see a return to GLA from LH?

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

I wonder what this will do for ABZ-GYD, as this doubles the competition on this route. I know it's technically a charter, but this may alter it's future a little.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I remember one of LH's partners operating FRA-BRS 2x or 3x daily. Alas, doesn't exist nowadays.

Three daily Eurowings BAe 146-200, IIRC.


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 4):
I'm sure this route launch in to try and take a slice of the highly profitable Oil Industry connecting traffic from ABZ.

That's possible but to be honest by the time you've flown to Frankfurt and connected and arrived at your next oil destination all your oil field flights would have gone. The oil fields don't tend to be in the capital city of a country.

KLM currently have the best connections to most oil destinations.


User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5461 times:
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Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):

I wish LH would come to GLA....who does GLA have for connecting to Europe & Worldwide? BA and KL...?

You've also got *alliance through BMI at LHR and don't forget the daily EK to DXB which offers over 100 global onward destinations (East) and the Daily CO to EWR which offers a large number of connections (West).

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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

This seems to be an awkward destination. With a population of just over 200,000 I wonder how this flight can possibly become profitable. It only makes sense if it's a pure feeder-flight for LH's long-haul network. But how many people would prefer taking FRA over LHR, especially when you come from Scotland, wanting to go to the US (BA) or the Eastern Hemisphere (EK) ?


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4802 times:
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Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 12):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):

I wish LH would come to GLA....who does GLA have for connecting to Europe & Worldwide? BA and KL...?

You've also got *alliance through BMI at LHR

I thought BD dropped GLA-LHR



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User currently offlineairevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 873 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

I read a while ago that ABZ was one of the highest yielding destinations for, was it BA? If you sell a smaller number of very expensive tickets, a small market may be much more lucrative for an airline than a bigger, but lower yielding one. And, talking about transferring between flights, I think any airport in the world is preferable to the mess that Heathrow still is. Even Frankfurt!


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
I thought BD dropped GLA-LHR

They have so BD to LHR is not an option but there are still options with *A out of GLA, for instance CO to EWR, assuming you want to go west that is.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
I wish LH would come to GLA....who does GLA have for connecting to Europe & Worldwide? BA and KL...?

I am slightly surprised LH does not offer GLA - FRA flights but then again the business end is at EDI.


User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5127 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 13):
This seems to be an awkward destination. With a population of just over 200,000 I wonder how this flight can possibly become profitable. It only makes sense if it's a pure feeder-flight for LH's long-haul network. But how many people would prefer taking FRA over LHR, especially when you come from Scotland, wanting to go to the US (BA) or the Eastern Hemisphere (EK) ?

It is exactly that - a pure feeder to the long-haul network. There is a lot of business class travel demand out of Aberdeen to places in Norway, Africa, Middle East and Asia, all of which will be just as convenient to transfer to through FRA as they are through LHR.

Nobody in Aberdeen would use EK when flying east, as that means travelling down to Glasgow. Why do that when you can fly from your local airport and connect somewhere?



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User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Will we see more new LH routes? This is a very good route for Aberdeen as a town/city, an airline like LH can only boost the economy.


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
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Quoting ual777uk (Reply 16):
They have so BD to LHR is not an option but there are still options with *A out of GLA, for instance CO to EWR, assuming you want to go west that is.

Really, I missed that, although it's been a year since I've flown from GLA.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 16):
but then again the business end is at EDI.

Yes indeed, GLA is a leisure market that prefers to fly direct when possible.

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User currently offlineGullAirACK From Ireland, joined Feb 2011, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 11):
That's possible but to be honest by the time you've flown to Frankfurt and connected and arrived at your next oil destination all your oil field flights would have gone. The oil fields don't tend to be in the capital city of a country.

KLM currently have the best connections to most oil destinations.

Very interesting...thanks. These oil destinations are very interesting sources of revenue, but they need an experienced specialist to plan them properly.


User currently offlinedjb77 From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Yippee! Finally a real alternative to AF/KLM and BA! Finally a route from my home airport (FRA) to my former home airport (ABZ) - this will turn the current door-to-door journey of 8 hours to 5 hours. To be honest, I think demand is there - if you have ever tried to get to ABZ at last-minute, there is never a problem in getting to the connecting airport. The problem is the flight to ABZ, be it from AMS, CDG, CPH or LHR. Prices are high, connecting traffic high, and availability low.

To be honest, if things didn't go as planned and LH reduced to a single rotation per day on a BMi EMB145, I would still be delighted.


User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 17):
It is exactly that - a pure feeder to the long-haul network. There is a lot of business class travel demand out of Aberdeen to places in Norway, Africa

There are already multiple dailies ABZ directly to Norway (SVG and BGO) on SK, WF and T3. No need to go all the way through FRA.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

I wonder what this means for BD's ABZ-LHR route in the long term, if LH can put a lot of feeder traffic onto itself and other Star Alliance carriers through FRA?


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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2946 times:

Raggi,

Interestingly, I am planning a trip to Scotland and Norway that would potentially involve an ABZ-BGO flight. What are the current options? SAS to SVG then on to BGO, right? Any non-stops from ABZ to BGO?



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25 Post contains links LH121GLA : Eastern Airways ABZ-BGO timetable
26 raggi : If you want to fly on SAS, you need to go abz-svg-bgo, equipment is 737. If you want to go abz-bgo, there are direct flts with both WF and T3. raggi
27 Post contains links LH121GLA : Also WF/SK's offering here
28 Boeing757/767 : Thanks for the schedules, guys!
29 YVRLTN : I am actually surprised LH were not at ABZ. Places like Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Nigeria & Brazil are huge booming oil destinations and would offer s
30 nighthawk : There are no flights to Oslo though, which requires connections, plus a few other destinations in Norway.
31 noelg : Isn't most of the ABZ-Norway traffic oil traffic anyway? So SVG and BGO are the best airports? I'm more surprised FR don't start up ABZ-HAU, they use
32 Semaex : Of the four markets you mention LH only flies to Brazil daily. I still believe that places like Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., Russia are better served throug
33 nighthawk : Yes it is, but a lot of the oil companies have their offices in Oslo. There are also companies with offices and facilities throughout the country, so
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