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Emirates India Revenue Up To $1.7bn  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4799 times:

* Revenues up by 24% to USD 1.7bn

* 2.5million pax flew EK in FY11

* Indians overtake British as the single largest tourist group on EK

* FY11 had a growth of 10% and the first 3 months of FY12 had 4%

* Eyes a 4% growth FY12 growth

* India - DXB market share is 45%

* BOM - JFK market share is 18%

* India - UK market share is 30%

* India - France market share is 40%

* India - Germany market share is 20%

* India - South Africa market share is 70%

* India - USA market share is 31%

* Eyeing 14% growth rate for the India - US market.

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfee...-bn-sees-4-fy12-growth/739920.html

Emirates has 184 weekly flights to India with approximately 53,000 seats per week each direction. EK is lobbying for increase in rights to India which would involve a 6th daily to BOM, 5th daily to DEL and 3rd daily to COK.

[Edited 2011-06-27 09:03:53]


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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4780 times:

Effective 2nd October 2011, this is how the India - Dubai capacities would look like:

DXB is connected to 17 cities in India and the list is:

LKO, ATQ, DEL, JAI, CCU, AMD, BOM, PNQ, HYD, BLR, GOI, IXE, MAA, TRZ, CCJ, COK, TRV.

EK = Emirates ( 185 flights per week) 52,677
AIX = Air India Express ( 54 flights per week) 10,044
AI = Air India (53 flights per week)  9,588
IT = Kingfisher Airlines (21 weekly flights) 3,234
9W = Jet Airways (42 weekly flights) 6,615
FZ = Flydubai (6 weekly flights) 1,134
6E = IndiGo Airlines (14 weekly flights) 2,520

Currently DXB and India have 375 flights per week. 

(1) Ahmedabad; Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport (AMD) 

EK: 10 weekly A332 

(2) Amritsar; Raja Sansi International Airport (ATQ) 

AIX: 7 weekly B738 

(3) Bangalore International Airport, Devanhalli (BLR

EK: 21 weekly A332 
IT: 7 weekly A320

(4) Chennai; Anna International Airport (MAA

EK: currently 21 weekly ( 9 weekly A332 + 7 weekly B772 +4 weekly B773 + 1 weekly B77W) 
9W: 7 weekly B738 
AI: 7 weekly A321 

(5) Kolkata; Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport (CCU

EK: 12 weekly A332 

(6) Delhi; Indira Gandhi International Airport (DEL

EK: 28 weekly (7 weekly A332 + 7 weekly B77L + 8 B77W + 6 B772) 
AI: 7 weekly A321 + 7 weekly A332 
9W: 7 weekly B738 
IT: 7 weekly A320 
6E: 7 weekly A320

(7) Jaipur, Sanganeer International Airport (JAI

AIX: 3 weekly B738 

(8) Lucknow, Amausi International Airport (LKO

AIX: 4 weekly B738 
FZ: 3 weekly B738

(9) Goa, Dabolim International Airport (GOI

AI: 4 weekly A319 

(10) Hyderabad, Rajiv Gandhi International Airport (HYD

EK: 21 weekly (17 weekly A332 + 4 weekly B772) 
AI: 7 weekly A321 
9W: 7 weekly B738 
FZ: 3 weekly B738

(11) Kochi, Cochin International Airport Ltd (Nedumbassery) (COK) 

EK: 14 weekly ( 5 weekly A332 + 8 weekly B772 + 1 weekly B77W) 
AIX: 7 weekly B738 

(12) Kozhikode, Kozhikode International Airport, Karipur (CCJ) 

EK: 11 weekly ( 5 weekly A332 + 6 weekly B772) 
AIX: 7 weekly B738 
AI: 7 weekly A320 

(13) Mangalore, Bajpe International Airport (IXE) 

AIX: 10 weekly B738 (3 of the flights continuing to CCJ

(14) Mumbai, Chattrapati Shivaji International Airport (BOM) 

EK: 35 weekly ( 14 weekly A332 + 6 weekly B772 + 15 weekly B77W) 
AI: 14 weekly A321 
9W: 21 weekly B738 
IT: 7 weekly A320 
6E: 7 weekly A320

(15) Pune Interntional Airport, Lohegaon (PNQ) 

AIX: 3 weekly B738 continuing to BOM 

(16) Thiruvananthapuram, International Airport (TRV) 

EK: 12 weekly A332 
AIX: 7 weekly B738 

(17) Trichurapally, International Airport (TRZ) 

AIX: 6 weekly B738 

********************************************************** 
Seats/Frequencies offered by Dubai based carriers : 54,000 approx/191 flights pw 
Seats/Frequencies offered by Indian carriers: 32,001 approx/184 flights pw 

[Edited 2011-06-27 08:57:12]


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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4615 times:

I wonder why India signed away so much rights to EK! It has become India's national airline. As someone mentioned on the Radia tapes, the previous Civil Aviation minister Praful Patel was known for favouring a few airlines

User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Great to see EK doing so well in the Indian market. Any idea what the LFs are? I'm impressed that they managed to capture such a significant chunk of the UK market. If I'm not mistaken EK has maxed out its rights to India, any chances it'll get more?

User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

These are very interesting figures that highlight the deep penetration of a market.

Have we comparable figures for other carriers, including but not limited to Indian carriers, with beyond traffic?

In some instances, the market served by EK is simply (or not adequaetly) served by other carriers. For example, some well-known carrires who would block EK do not offer services to some EK destinations. So it would be interesting to see comparative figures to judge how far EK's services impede other carriers operating in similar markets.

You know, facts rather than claims.  


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

It is no surprise that AI, 9W and IT all are losing money and LH, KL, AF cancelling or cutting down flights to cities in India. To give credit to EK, they are doing pretty impressive job.

I wish there were more airlines and not just EK that has monopoly on International traffic in and out of India. EK may be offering cheap fair now but as and when they become the only player for the international traffic in and out of India, fares will rise and monopolistic practices will rear its head. I hope GOI wakes up and not allow any more rights to EK so that there is balance in the market and competition to keep EK honest.

[Edited 2011-06-27 11:35:48]

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3655 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* BOM - JFK market share is 18%
* India - USA market share is 31%
* Eyeing 14% growth rate for the India - US market.

Do you have the breakdown from IAH?



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 3):
Any idea what the LFs are?

Around 75-80%.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 5):
EK may be offering cheap fair now but as and when they become the only player for the international traffic in and out of India, fares will rise and monopolistic practices will rear its head.

EK does not offer any cheap fares out of India on a large scale as earlier. Now they are priced higher than others.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
EK does not offer any cheap fares out of India on a large scale as earlier. Now they are priced higher than others.

It does seem that EK is not the cheapest option on LAX-MAA sector. Most of my recent online searches come back with CX and SQ?AI as the cheaper options on the above routes.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
India - USA market share is 31%
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
BOM - JFK market share is 18%

One would expect this pattern to hold in the future as other carriers will continue to get a decent share of the large metro routes. EK would continue to do well on the USA-India non-metro routes.

I have a guest visiting from AMD who is flying back LAX-DXB-AMD on EK. Unlike most of us, she is blissfully unaware that EK is 10-abreast in 777


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 5):
EK may be offering cheap fair now but as and when they become the only player for the international traffic in and out of India, fares will rise and monopolistic practices will rear its head.

looks like that day is here already...

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
EK does not offer any cheap fares out of India on a large scale as earlier. Now they are priced higher than others.

Credit to EK for being relentless and offering a good, brand-name product. However, the regulator may step in soon?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

So shocked to see EK operate more services to and from India compared to all the Indian carriers combined...

EK413



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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 1):
Seats/Frequencies offered by Dubai based carriers : 54,000 approx/191 flights pw
Seats/Frequencies offered by Indian carriers: 32,001 approx/184 flights pw
Quoting blrsea (Reply 2):
I wonder why India signed away so much rights to EK!

In the frequency-wise, both countries have similar number of flights between DXB and India (191 vs 184). Well, I think even if AUH is included, frequency will be similar from both sides.


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

In the last few years I have flown BA, LH, EK, 9W & IT to India. Even though my personal experience with EK was not as good as the other carriers, the fact is that they offer a better product for the majority of travelers to India. Contrary to belief they are not the cheapest. There are cheaper options like AI & 9W. Personally I prefer 9W / LH / BA to India. What EK does offer for most people is significant however. Modern aircraft with nice cabins, a lot of complimentary amenities & most important good connectivity. India is a very vast & diverse nation. Not everyone is going to BOM or DEL.

I can't speak for Asian / African / Australian travelers to India. From the few I have spoken to, they are fine with the Indian carrier services. I can speak for the market from Europe & North America, which has always been a very important sector for flights to India. For years AI only funneled these passengers through BOM / DEL. If you are flying into MAA from the western world & wish to fly on an Indian airline, your only nonstop / direct choice is 9W via BRU. But if you are going from Europe / North America to any other city in India be it BLR, HYD, CCU, AMD or anywhere in Kerala, no Indian carrier serves your needs nonstop or direct.

For these passengers it is easy to step on an EK plane in their home city, transfer in DXB & then fly EK nonstop into their Indian cities which are ignored by Indian carriers. The fact is that Indian carriers, especially AI, had their chance for decades to serve the diaspora who do not live in BOM / DEL. They chose not to. Now EK has stepped in to fill the demand. I understand nationalist sentiment but just like in Canada, if you choose to ignore a market segment, you should not get upset when it is catered to by someone else. AC staff tells me to wait for the 787. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I can do so because I know that unlike AI in India, AC does offer intercontinental flights from no fewer than 7 Canadian cities, not just Toronto & Vancouver.

If EK is the national carrier of India, it is because they chose to serve ALL India & not just BOM / DEL.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17282 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

It's all AI/9W/IT/etc's money and pax to lose and they've been doing a fantastic job giving it away so far. One day, however, they won't, and it will be a big challenge to the Middle Eastern carriers.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 12):
For these passengers it is easy to step on an EK plane in their home city, transfer in DXB & then fly EK nonstop into their Indian cities which are ignored by Indian carriers

The new DEL hub is fairly competitive, and it doesn't look like it's much different than a stop in DXB.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 5):
I hope GOI wakes up and not allow any more rights to EK so that there is balance in the market and competition to keep EK honest.

The GOI can cut EK completely off and it won't make a difference as long as GOI is running AI/IC as a patronage machine.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):
So shocked to see EK operate more services to and from India compared to all the Indian carriers combined...

If DXB had 3-4 carriers maybe we would not see EK operating that much but on a smaller scale. The point is the comparison has to be on the total capacity offered by each side.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
Well, I think even if AUH is included, frequency will be similar from both sides.

In the case of India - AUH, Indian carriers have 59 weekly flights/10,169 seats per week as opposed to EY which has 52 weekly flights/7,244 seats per week. EY is expected to announce AMD soon thus the number of frequencies would remain the same but the number of weekly seats offered by EY would remain less than that of Indian carriers.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 12):
For these passengers it is easy to step on an EK plane in their home city, transfer in DXB & then fly EK nonstop into their Indian cities which are ignored by Indian carriers. The fact is that Indian carriers, especially AI, had their chance for decades to serve the diaspora who do not live in BOM / DEL. They chose not to. Now EK has stepped in to fill the demand.

The EK points in India, which do not have European carriers and that have a significant EU, USA traffic is AMD and COK. The traffic to TRV is very much restricted to the GCC and a bit to UK and CCJ is only GCC. The HUGE O-D that the DXB has with India is a very strong reason that EK has an edge over EU carriers. Contrary to perception EK's strong points in India remain the metros than the other cities.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
The new DEL hub is fairly competitive, and it doesn't look like it's much different than a stop in DXB.

True, YYZ-DXB-AMD or YYZ-DEL-AMD from the transfer point of view is not all that different.



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
in the case of India - AUH,

arent the India - UAE bilaterls split into India-DXB and India-rest of UAE (that includes AUH and SHJ)

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
The HUGE O-D that the DXB has with India

Still the O&D from India constitutes not more than 30% of the entire Indian traffic on EK, the balance transitting thru DXB...

Also from a purely brand perspective, Emirates arguably still holds a prestigious image in the minds of Indian travellers... and thus even if it means shelling out a few extra thousand rupees, it adds to the traveller image......


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 15):
arent the India - UAE bilaterls split into India-DXB and India-rest of UAE (that includes AUH and SHJ

It's separate to DXB, SHJ, AUH don't know about AAN, RKT et al.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 15):
Also from a purely brand perspective, Emirates arguably still holds a prestigious image in the minds of Indian travellers... and thus even if it means shelling out a few extra thousand rupees, it adds to the traveller image.....

Agreed.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
Contrary to perception EK's strong points in India remain the metros than the other cities.

That doesn't seem to be consistent with the following numbers from the OP as EK has a higher overall market share for India-USA than a major O&D route of BOM-JFK.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* BOM - JFK market share is 18%

* India - USA market share is 31%
Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 5):
EK may be offering cheap fair now but as and when they become the only player for the international traffic in and out of India, fares will rise and monopolistic practices will rear its head. I hope GOI wakes up and not allow any more rights to EK so that there is balance in the market and competition to keep EK honest.

I hope not as Indians have benefited a great deal from the presence of EK. I am a believer in open skies and majority foreign ownership, and would welcome open skies between India and other countries. As for EK engaging in unfair trade practices, it seems highly likely given the presence of many other carriers.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
The GOI can cut EK completely off and it won't make a difference as long as GOI is running AI/IC as a patronage machine.

And no one said GOI needs to run AI/IC/AIX etc. dont try to put words into my mouth or literally read something which I never wrote.

Already European carriers who do serve secondary Indian cities are finding it difficult to compete with EK and have started cutting down on flights, LH cut down at HYD being best example of it. Once this happens, EK will be only carrier left in that particular market if one decides to ignore BOM/DEL as transit points and AI/9W/IT as carrier choices from secondary Indian cities. Make no mistake, EK will then charge arm and leg as no or less competition means higher prices. All I'm saying is GOI needs to make rules that will increase competition. I doubt anyone can have disagreement over that. Can GOI do make sensible rules about aviation, thats entirely different discussion and not related to this thread.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 17):
That doesn't seem to be consistent with the following numbers from the OP as EK has a higher overall market share for India-USA than a major O&D route of BOM-JFK

That comparison is incorrect. JFK, LHR from BOM, DEL has immense competition and despite that a market share of 18% on BOM-JFK is good. EK's loads to Africa, Europe, GCC which has lesser competition is places where EK dominates with not only loads but very good yields in F, J.



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User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Indians overtake British as the single largest tourist group on EK

Is that true, having flown EK many times to India it always seems to me that a good per cent of the pax are travelling for work.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 2):
I wonder why India signed away so much rights to EK! It has become India's national airline

Because India needs good airline connectivity for the masses of India - something which no Indian carrier has the b@lls to offer, but EK does. Who benefits in the end? It's the Indians who benefit - with better connectivity and also as a quid-pro-quo for the large number of Indians working in the gulf.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 5):
EK may be offering cheap fair now

Nope - often has expensive if not more than other options.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 12):
If EK is the national carrier of India, it is because they chose to serve ALL India & not just BOM / DEL.

And - 100% agree!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
It's all AI/9W/IT/etc's money and pax to lose and they've been doing a fantastic job giving it away so far

And - another excellent point!



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 18):
Make no mistake, EK will then charge arm and leg as no or less competition means higher prices. All I'm saying is GOI needs to make rules that will increase competition. I doubt anyone can have disagreement over that. Can GOI do make sensible rules about aviation, thats entirely different discussion and not related to this thread.

But such is only your opinion and not borne out by current facts at all. There is plenty of competition so no new 'rules' need to be made for it.....in India or anywhere else, unless you're advocating that as disguised protectionism. If passengers choose to fly EK then that is any other carrier's problem to resolve.


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
The new DEL hub is fairly competitive, and it doesn't look like it's much different than a stop in DXB.

Personally speaking, my wife & I would choose DEL as our entry point into India every time because of it's new T3. The immigration & baggage claim were smooth. The staff was friendly & helpful. The whole experience is great. However there are many I've spoken to who fly to AMD, CCU, HYD & BLR who say they would prefer to perform customs / immigration in their "own" states as opposed to DEL / BOM. Admittedly they were not foreigners to India like myself so their experience may be significantly different than mine.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
The GOI can cut EK completely off and it won't make a difference as long as GOI is running AI/IC as a patronage machine.

Sad but true. Good point.

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
The EK points in India, which do not have European carriers and that have a significant EU, USA traffic is AMD and COK. The traffic to TRV is very much restricted to the GCC and a bit to UK and CCJ is only GCC. The HUGE O-D that the DXB has with India is a very strong reason that EK has an edge over EU carriers. Contrary to perception EK's strong points in India remain the metros than the other cities.

According to the classification of Indian cities, there are 6 cities which are classified as A-1 - Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata, Bengaluru & Hyderabad. Throughout post-independence India there were predominantly 4 metros - Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta & Madras. EK's strong points are to the "metros" because they serve ALL 6 A-1 cities as opposed to the Indian carriers which only serve DEL / BOM. I'm not suggesting that EK wins in India because they serve AMD / CCJ / TRV. I'm saying that they are #1 in India because they serve many cities that Indian carriers do not / will not serve, including the remaining 4 A-1 cities outside DEL / BOM.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 15):
Still the O&D from India constitutes not more than 30% of the entire Indian traffic on EK, the balance transitting thru DXB...

Also from a purely brand perspective, Emirates arguably still holds a prestigious image in the minds of Indian travellers... and thus even if it means shelling out a few extra thousand rupees, it adds to the traveller image

Good point. They are good at marketing but also backed up by product / service.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 18):
Already European carriers who do serve secondary Indian cities are finding it difficult to compete with EK and have started cutting down on flights, LH cut down at HYD being best example of it. Once this happens, EK will be only carrier left in that particular market if one decides to ignore BOM/DEL as transit points and AI/9W/IT as carrier choices from secondary Indian cities. Make no mistake, EK will then charge arm and leg as no or less competition means higher prices. All I'm saying is GOI needs to make rules that will increase competition. I doubt anyone can have disagreement over that. Can GOI do make sensible rules about aviation, thats entirely different discussion and not related to this thread.

So once again, EK is NOT the cheapest options to India. They are middle of the pack. If European carriers are forced to cut back it is because they usually charge the highest fares in a very price sensitive market. Furthermore their fleet choices are quite questionable. While DEL / BOM can warrant the 77Ws & 744s, the rest of the cities are better served with smaller aircraft or less frequencies where possible. Now having said that I personally have loved BA / LH to India but increasingly it would appear that European carriers will be relegated to only serve those main hubs because they do not seem to understand how to make the secondary cities work.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 22):
But such is only your opinion and not borne out by current facts at all. There is plenty of competition so no new 'rules' need to be made for it.....in India or anywhere else, unless you're advocating that as disguised protectionism. If passengers choose to fly EK then that is any other carrier's problem to resolve.

Agreed. People forget that passengers have chosen EK. Not because they are the cheapest but because they offer a better product overall with respect to service, connectivity & fare.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 23):
EK's strong points are to the "metros" because they serve ALL 6 A-1 cities as opposed to the Indian carriers which only serve DEL / BOM.

Nothing unique; TG, SQ/MI, QR have (will have in case of QR) all 6 covered. BA, LH, EY, WY, SV, LH, G9 have 5 out of the 6 A1 cities (most of them not serving CCU anymore) and leaving out CCU is not making any game changing alignment of carrier's market shares. As of 2011, as long as BOM, DEL, BLR, MAA, HYD are covered you are one of the big players in the Indian market. The fact that EK serves Kerala, AMD, is just an advantage EK has of being closer to India (hence making lower yielding markets work) and the huge O-D to Kerala.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 23):
I'm saying that they are #1 in India because they serve many cities that Indian carriers do not / will not serve, including the remaining 4 A-1 cities outside DEL / BOM.

BLR is the only destination where there is barely any international operations by desi carriers. MAA, HYD do have Indian carriers operating international flights. As MAA, HYD are not hubs of Indian carriers, one cannot expect a huge network of international operations from these points.

What EK has done is actually challenged BA, LH, AF in the Indian market by waiving transit visas, relatively, lower fares (back in 2004 or so LH, BA used to charge exorbitantly for flights to USA) and good overall experience via the DXB hub and which is why now you see the sea change in attitude towards Indians by LH, BA (AF learnt the lesson pretty late it seems).

The fault lines with the Govt's idiotic policies, subsequently making AI lazy and living in their world of protectionism and as a result you have nonsense policies like the 5 year rule. Had the skies been more liberal in the 90s, 9W would have been a much bigger player than what it is today. But it is all in the past now.



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25 worldliner : Its almost sad to see AI and other indian carriers doing so poorly on their own routes because of EK. I am sure alot more countries will join Canada i
26 Post contains images Markam : Perhaps to foster competition in a market dominated by a few sclerotic, inefficient airlines? While I understand that Air India et al will probably n
27 LAXDESI : My wife too avoids DEL/BOM as a transit point on her LAX-MAA flights as she doesn't want to go through customs/immigration at an Indian transit point
28 MaverickM11 : Oh wow. Sensitive much? I was merely adding a thought, not implying you said anything. It is, although I don't think it has much to do with EK/QR/EY/
29 pnd100 : While I have stated my preference for DEL over DXB this does not seem to be the case with Indians whose final destinations are not DEL. Perhaps it is
30 ojas : I'm talking the overall traffic out of BOM, DEL to the world and my reference to metros is BOM, DEL and not the metros in the USA. The point is that
31 GlobalCabotage : If the US-India is this important, than I would some day expect EK in ORD and DFW to take advantage of: ORD-DXB-BOM/HYD/etc. DFW-DXB-BOM/etc. AI and A
32 Avianca : why is the traffic to CCU so low? any special reason for that?
33 pnd100 : With no offense intended for the good people of Kolkata, the city of Kolkata has been in decline for many years. What was once the capital of India u
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