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FAA Fines Boeing For Aircraft Safety Violations  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24823 posts, RR: 46
Posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Here we go again. Another day, and another enforcement action.....


The FAA today is proposing a $1.05mil civil penalty fine against Boeing Company for failure to detect a production problem on 9 of its 777 airliners.

The FAA alleges that it discovered upon inspection on 9 newly assembled 777 aircraft in 2010 had incorrectly installed oxygen distribution system tubing which could result in not properly supplying oxygen to passengers.

Press release:
http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=12863


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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

I think you posted the quote incorrectly, copying from the article:

"for allegedly failing to correct a known problem in production and installation of the central passenger oxygen system in its B-777 airliners"

Failure to correct a known problem is much different from failure to detect a production problem.

Sounds more like carelessnes on managements part, they got their paper work mixed up as to when and who were supposed to perform the repairs.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

It might be semantics but the background note I read does state "detect".
These planes essentially went out the door without Mr Boeing detecting or doing anything about the defects till the FAA noticed.



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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

In that case they may have a much larger problem, as that then places more emphasis on overall quality control for all their products versus someone falling down on the job of correcting a known defect on a particular model, all in all not a good thing.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

The 9 B-777s in question were all built within a 7 month period, Apr. 2010 to Oct. 2010. In that time period, how many B-777s were built? 70? At issue is the low press. O2 tubes for the pax compartment were bent at 10 degrees, as opposed to 2 degrees. Boeing claims they tested the 10 degree bent hoses/tubes and found no restriction to the O2 flow, including at twice the pressure that would flow through the line.

To me this seems like a PO'd IAM guy doing something to hurt his employer. The FAA normally does not inspect new build airplanes down to this level, as the rely on the OEM for these inspections. My guess is, this guy called the FAA himself, after he made this assembly and installed it incorrectly.

BTW, all 9 B-777s were still allowed to be delivered to their customers, by the FAA, and without any corrections being made or an airworthyness restriction made.

Something just doesn't smell right here. This reminds me of the BS grounding of the AA MD-80 fleet in 2008 because of the number of clamps holding a wiring harness in the MLG wheel wells.

I would question the FAA before I would question about them delivering "unsafe" airplanes. Boeing would not be so stupid, as an accident or incident that resulted in injury or deatrh of pax and/or crew would be far too expensive, and the bad PR would hurt them a lot.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Here are a couple of news stories.

FAA says its discovered 46-instances in which Boeing had erroneously certified that the O2 tubes were installed correctly when they were not.

The nine 777 involved were line numbers 860, 864, 871, 887, 891, 898, 901, 902 and 905.

FAA proposes $1 million fine against Boeing
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...ion-fine-against-Boeing/48899954/1

FAA seeks to fine Boeing $1m
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...7/faa-seeks-to-fine-boeing-1m.html



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
To me this seems like a PO'd IAM guy doing something to hurt his employer. The FAA normally does not inspect new build airplanes down to this level, as the rely on the OEM for these inspections. My guess is, this guy called the FAA himself, after he made this assembly and installed it incorrectly.

BTW, all 9 B-777s were still allowed to be delivered to their customers, by the FAA, and without any corrections being made or an airworthyness restriction made.

Something just doesn't smell right here. This reminds me of the BS grounding of the AA MD-80 fleet in 2008 because of the number of clamps holding a wiring harness in the MLG wheel wells.

I would question the FAA before I would question about them delivering "unsafe" airplanes. Boeing would not be so stupid, as an accident or incident that resulted in injury or deatrh of pax and/or crew would be far too expensive, and the bad PR would hurt them a lot.

I think what needs to be added however, just to clarify, is that every word is pure supposition only with not a single shred of fact shown to support it. It should have been clearly stated as the opinion it is.


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